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Offline cbl51

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MIM parts?
« on: January 04, 2009, 04:14:02 AM »
I was at the range the other day, and overheard one guy telling another guy to avoid any gun like the new S&W's that have mim parts. Jist of the conversation was they were junk and prone to failure.

This goes oposite to what I would think of a quality company like Smith and Wesson. What is mim parts, and why are they to be avoided?
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Re: MIM parts?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 04:44:55 AM »
MIM stands for Metal Injection Molding.  It is a powder metallurgical process that gained popularity after WW2.  To somewhat over-simplify the process, it consists of taking a mold and placing steel powder into it.  The steel powder is heated to a plastic, almost liquid state under high pressure.  Once it has cooled enough to be released from the mold it can be heat-treated like any other steel part.

MIM has four major advantages and only one real disadvantage.

ADVANTAGES
- Lower cost
- Excellent dimensional tolerances
- Little additional machining necessary
- Far less hand fitting required

DISADVANTAGE
- Slightly lower tensile and shear strength than forged/machined steel

It would not be accurate to characterize MIM parts as "junk" as this is simply not the case.  Like any other process if it is done incorrectly then an inferior product will result.  If manufactured correctly then MIM parts are likely to last the lifetime of the gun.  While it is true that most people would prefer to have forged, machined, and hand-fitted hammers and triggers in their guns, the extra labor costs involved make this prohibitive in today's competitive global environment.  All the major gun manufacturers use MIM parts these days, including Colt, S&W, Kimber, Ruger, etc., so to pick on S&W exclusively is a bit ignorant. 

People like to point out that MIM parts are not as strong as their forged/machined counterparts, but the strength differential is less than 10% and still well above the strength requirements of their intended function.  Stamped steel is far less durable than MIM and yet wartime German P.38's made extensive use of stampings.  Do we consider these as inferior weapons?

If it's really an issue then forged and machined parts are still available.  Considering the high purchase price and the gunsmith's cost to install them it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of those who carp about MIM parts will choose to keep them in their gun rather than pony up the extra cash to get rid of the "junk".

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Re: MIM parts?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 09:50:08 AM »
True, Lee!
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Re: MIM parts?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 02:49:23 PM »
It has been far too long since we went to war over this one.
I think it is good for the digestion and I hope someone will pick up the war colors.
Personally I have no concerns with MIM parts from good manufacturing.
There has been some junk put out however.
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Re: MIM parts?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2009, 04:03:26 PM »
Lee N. Fielder, they raise the costs anyway so, what's the difference? Corporate greed in the free enterprise system? Execs getting more on their retirement than actual workers?
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Re: MIM parts?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2009, 02:40:40 PM »
Lee N. Fielder, they raise the costs anyway so, what's the difference? Corporate greed in the free enterprise system? Execs getting more on their retirement than actual workers?
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Re: MIM parts?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 03:31:52 PM »
Dan Wesson was one of the first to use the process and because of it's controversy, the Monson plant(the first DW) took several of their first run and shot them wth heavy loads til they failed.  It took many rounds and failure was in the replaceable parts that weren't MIM; barrel forcing cone, springs, and hand. I have a model 40; 357 supermag that I bought used in 1992 and have fed it a steady diet of mag loads and it stil locks up tight.  The process is sound if proper testing is done for quality control, same with forged parts.