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Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« on: January 05, 2009, 06:11:37 AM »
 


Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza

Eric Margolis
Lew Rockwell.com
Monday, Jan 5, 2008

There are two completely different versions of what is currently happening in Gaza.

In the Israeli and North American press version, Hamas – "Islamic terrorists" backed by Iran – have in an unprovoked attack fired deadly rockets on innocent Israel with the intent of destroying the Jewish state.

North American politicians and the media say Israel "has the right to defend itself."

True enough. No Israeli government can tolerate rockets hitting its towns, even though the casualty totals have been less than the car crash fatalities registered during a single holiday weekend on Israel's roads.

The firing of the feeble, homemade al-Qassam rockets by Palestinians is both useless and counterproductive.

It damages their image as an oppressed people and gives right-wing Israeli extremists a perfect reason to launch more attacks on the Arabs and refuse to discuss peace.

Israel's supporters insist it has the absolute right to drop hundreds of tons of bombs on "Hamas targets" inside the 360 sq km Gaza Strip to "take out the terrorists."

Civilians suffer, says Israel, because the cowardly Hamas hide among them.

Actually, it is more like shooting fish in a barrel.

Omitting facts

As usual, this cartoon-like version of events omits a great deal of nuance and background.

While firing rockets at civilians is a crime so, too, is the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which is an egregious violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions.

According to the UN, most of Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinian refugees subsist near the edge of hunger. Seventy per cent of Palestinian children in Gaza suffer from severe malnutrition and psychological trauma.

Medical facilities are critically short of doctors, personnel, equipment, and drugs. Gaza has quite literally become a human garbage dump for all the Arabs that Israel does not want.

Gaza is one of the world's most-densely populated places, a vast outdoor prison camp filled with desperate people. In the past, they threw stones at their Israeli occupiers; now they launch homemade rockets.

Call it a prison riot, writ large.

Eyeing the elections

When the so-called truce between Tel Aviv and Hamas expired on December 19, Israeli politicians were in the throes of preparing for the February 10 national elections.

Israeli politics are playing a key role in this crisis.

Ehud Barak, the defense minister and leader of the Labour party, and Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister and leader of the Kadima party, are trying to prove themselves tougher than Benjamin Netanyahu's hard-line Likud party – and one another.

Israel's elections are only six weeks away, and Likud was leading until the air raids on Gaza began. Kadima and Labour are now up in the polls.

The heavy attacks on Gaza are also designed to intimidate Israel's Arab neighbors, and make up for Israel's humiliating 2006 defeat in Lebanon, which still haunts the country's politicians and generals.

A fait accompli

When the air raids on Gaza began, Barak said: "We have totally changed the rules of the game."

He was right. By blitzing Hamas-run Gaza, Barak presented the incoming US administration with a fait accompli, and neatly checkmated the newest player in the Middle East Great Game – Barack Obama, the US president-elect – before he could even take a seat at the table.

The Israeli offensive into Gaza now looks likely to short-circuit any plans Obama might have had to press Israel into withdrawing to its pre-1967 borders and sharing Jerusalem.

This has pleased Israel's supporters in North America who have been cheering the war in Gaza and have been backing away from their earlier tentative support for a land-for-peace deal.

Israel's successes in having Western media portray the Gaza offensive as an "anti-terrorist operation" will also diminish hopes of peace talks any time soon.

Obama inherits this mess in a few weeks. During the elections, Obama bowed to the Israel lobby, offering a new US carte blanche to Israel and even accepting Israel's permanent monopoly of all of Jerusalem.

As he concludes forming his cabinet, his Middle East team looks like it may be top-heavy with friends of Israel's Labour party.

Obama keeps saying he must remain silent on policy issues until George Bush, the outgoing US president, leaves office, but his staff appear happy to avoid having to make statements about Gaza that would antagonize Israel's American supporters.

Obama will take office facing a Middle East up in arms over Gaza and the entire Muslim world blaming the US for the carnage in Gaza.

Unless he moves swiftly to distance himself from the policies of the Bush administration, he will soon find himself facing the same problems and anger as the Bush White House.

Arab deal killed

Israel's Gaza offensive is also likely to torpedo the current Saudi-sponsored peace plan, which had been backed by all members of the Arab League.

The plan, now likely defunct, had called for Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders and share Jerusalem in exchange for full recognition and normalized relations with the Muslim world.

Arab governments will now be unable to sell the deal as they face a storm of criticism from their own people over their powerlessness to help the Palestinians of Gaza.

Egypt, in particular, is being widely accused of collaborating with Israel in further sealing off and isolating Gaza. It seems highly unlikely they will be able to advance a peace plan with Israel for now.

This is a bonus for right-wing Israelis, who have always been dead set against any withdrawal and strongly supported the attack on Gaza.

Other Israeli factions who were always lukewarm about the Saudi peace plan are now unlikely to reconsider it.

Israel's security establishment is committed to preventing the creation of a viable Palestinian state, and refuses to negotiate with Hamas. Unable to kill all of Hamas' men, Israel is slowly destroying Gaza's infrastructure around them, as it did to Yasser Arafat's PLO.

Israel's hardliners point to Gaza and claim that any Palestinian state on the West Bank would threaten their nation's security by firing rockets into Israel's heartland.

Mighty information machine

Israel is confident that its mighty information machine will allow it to weather the storm of worldwide outrage over its Biblical punishment of Gaza. Who remembers Israel's flattening of parts of the Palestinian city of Jenin, or the US destruction in Falluja, Iraq, or the Sabra and Shatilla massacres in Beirut?

The US media has focused on the rockets being fired on Israel from Gaza.

Though the torment of Gaza is seen across the horrified Muslim world as a modern version of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising by Jews against the Nazis during World War Two, Western governments still appear bent on taking no action.

Though Israel's use of American weapons against Gaza violates the US Arms Export Control and Foreign Assistance Acts, the docile US Congress will remain mute.

Israel's assault on Gaza was clearly timed for America's interregnum between administrations and the year-end holidays, a well-used Israeli tactic.

Hamas refuses to recognize Israel as long as Israel refuses to recognize Hamas and the rights of millions of homeless Palestinian refugees.

It calls for a non-religious state to be created in Palestine, meaning an end to Zionism. Ironically, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder and late leader of Hamas, had spoken of a compromise with Tel Aviv shortly before he was assassinated by Israel in 2004.

An inherited mess

Israel's hopes that it can bomb Gazans into rejecting Hamas are as ill-conceived as its failed attempt in 2006 to blast Lebanon into rejecting Hezbollah.

The Fatah regime on the West Bank installed by the US and Israel after Yasser Arafat's suspicious death will be further discredited, leaving the militants of Hamas as the sole authentic voice of Palestinian nationalism.

Hamas, the militant but still democratically elected government of Gaza, is even less likely to compromise.

The Muslim world is in a rage. But so what? Stalin liked to say "the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on," and as long as the US gives Israel carte blanche, it can do just about anything it wants.

The tragedy of Palestine will thus continue to poison US relations with the Muslim world.

Those Americans who still do not understand why their nation was attacked on 9/11 need only look to Gaza, for which the US is now being blamed as much as Israel.

Unless Israel can make 5 to 7 million Palestinians disappear, it must find some way to coexist with them. Israeli leaders on the center and right continue to avoid facing this fact.

The brutal collective punishment inflicted on Gaza will likely strengthen Hamas and reverse any hopes of a Middle East peace in the coming years.

 
 
 

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Re: Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2009, 08:12:53 AM »
I guess that you'll really believe anything ...
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Re: Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2009, 08:49:07 AM »
Still say the Israelies should round up all the Palestinians and ship them out.  Be done with it once and for all.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 09:08:53 AM »
Where would you suggest they ship them ?
Who would want them ? You know where they will end up - HERE !
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Re: Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2009, 09:12:13 AM »
I hear the weather is great up in AK this time of year! And, plenty of space to unwind and get rid of penned up hostilities.
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Re: Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2009, 10:55:56 AM »
Gaza is also bordered by Egypt.  They can get supplies through Egypt if they needed food or medicine.  Egypt was offered Gaza when Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty and Israel moved out of the Sinai during the Carter administration.  Egypt didn't want the Gaza Palistinians.  They knew how much trouble they were.  The Palistinians on the West Bank mostly do not like the Hamas.  Also, the West Bank was offered to Jordan, and Jordan didn't want the West Bank in a peace treaty.  If you had 6,000,000 of your brethern murdered in WWII, and you had a chance to have your own country, you would probably have a chip on your shoulder and not trust the Arabs either.  Arabs can have Israeli citizenship, as a mater of fact, several years ago the mayor of Haifa was an Arab.  So, the militant Arabs just don't want Israel to exist. 

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Re: Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2009, 11:38:59 AM »
True !  On the other hand the militant Israelis and a handful of posters here don't' want the Palestinians to live either. Dunno maybe the Afghans would take them. In my mind that would test the Muslim brotherhood to see who would give them a home. I'm not taken any bets.
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Re: Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2009, 11:56:11 AM »
BBF. The palestinians can live, but they Don't belong in Israel. None of their Godless brothers want them. Jordan offered them land years ago, they turned it down, their rockets wouldn't reach Israeli schools from there. The sole purpose of the Godless ones is to utterly destroy Israel, thats what they live for, and hope to die doing. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2009, 01:24:58 PM »
MS and TeleMagick7 you guys need to remember this simple thing, America and Israel = good, Muslims and Palestinians = evil.

Dixie Dude, cmon don't ya know that the Holocaust was a myth, TeleMagick7 has been telling us that for years.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2009, 02:42:48 PM »
Seems like Egypt would welcome her peaceful brothers and sisters with open arms, but they aren't. Closed borders, no food, medicine, water, etc. Egypt could help, but won't. Hmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe the palestinians aren't wanted there either. One woman on the news cried out, WHERE ARE MY FELLOW ARABS??? Why aren't they helping us??? Good questions. POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2009, 02:47:26 PM »
"WHERE ARE MY FELLOW ARABS??? Why aren't they helping us??? "

Now there is one of the few good things I can say about Arabs, they are unlikely to help other Arabs and whats even better,is that they love killing each other too.   

PM that quote sure put a smile on my face. :) :) :) See there is a little good in everyone. HA HA
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 03:21:46 AM »
Why not just tell us what the heck it is about the Israeli constitution that bothers you? 
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2009, 04:06:29 AM »
Israel doesn't have a "written" constitution.  Their laws are based on old style English common law.  Great Britian doesn't have a written constitution either, but is still considered a democracy with multiple political parties, etc.  Israel is the same, and there are Arabs in Israeli government.  Are there any Jews in any Muslim nations government?  Are there any Christians?  Israel has a secular democratically elected government. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 04:26:11 AM »
"NO ARAB CAN HAVE ISRAELI CITIZEN SHIP, NOT EVEN CERTAIN ARAB JEWS...READ THEIR CONSTITUION!? "

Fact ... There are almost 2 million Israeli Arabs and their population is increasing at a faster rate than Jewish Israelis. Israeli Arabs have all the rights of citizenship and are excused from serving in the military. There are Islamic Bedouins and Druze that are also Israeli citizens and do serve in the military.

In 1948, Jews from all over North Africa and the Middle East, were kicked out of Arab countries and sent to Israel.

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2009, 08:02:53 AM »
As a note old British common law is based on the laws of the Bible , mostly from the Old Test. So one may make the streach that their law comes from the Old Test. as it has for 2000 years ?
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2009, 10:58:48 AM »
I'm confused.  Not trying to argue or anything, but
1. First the Gaza uprising is just Israel secretly doing it to themselves then it's the Palestinians rebelling against the Israeli oppression.  It can't be both, but Israel is to blame no matter which  ??
2. Israel is acting in accordance to their constitution, or is it against their constitution, oh wait, they don't have a constitution ??

I'm finding it hard to believe anything...I'm leaning back to my original position of taking everything at face value which equates back to the Palestinians being ruthless killers and basically scum

Someone enlighten me
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2009, 11:51:06 AM »
TRIBREADY. You understand correctly. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Israel's 'Fait Accompli' in Gaza
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 12:55:55 PM »
I'm confused.  Not trying to argue or anything, but
1. First the Gaza uprising is just Israel secretly doing it to themselves then it's the Palestinians rebelling against the Israeli oppression.  It can't be both, but Israel is to blame no matter which  ??
2. Israel is acting in accordance to their constitution, or is it against their constitution, oh wait, they don't have a constitution ??

I'm finding it hard to believe anything...I'm leaning back to my original position of taking everything at face value which equates back to the Palestinians being ruthless killers and basically scum

Someone enlighten me


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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2009, 01:05:47 PM »
The latest hobby for Israeli kids is collecting shrapnel and ball bearings from the Godless ones rockets. There are reportedly some pretty big collections. Easy enough to find, the Godless ones send more every day. The rockets are harmless, just toys dontchaknow, according to tm. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2009, 02:22:53 PM »
It is true that Israel does not have a constitution.  Israel does hold free elections.  With the exception of Lebanon, all Arab countries are ruled by hereditary despots. 

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2009, 04:03:36 PM »
OK. Now I have to ask what good dose a Constitution do? It would seem to me that our elected officials have no problem changing it to meet their agenda. I think we should follow it as it layed out by our forfathers. Dale
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2009, 07:19:50 PM »


  I'm not sure I'd bet the farm on anything gathered from Wikipedia since anyone can go in and write information there, or alter that which has already been written. College professors will not allow Wikipedia to be quoted as a source... wonder why?
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2009, 07:36:31 PM »
 Dale what's really wrong with the constitution is the Supreme Court. Every President wants to vote in a judge that is like minded to his ideals. Since conservative and liberal views vary so greatly, it's a toss up which way the constitution will be interperated. Just depends on conservative vs. liberal, which one out numbers the other when the argument is made. You can't have a set of rules to govern a nation that change with the wind.

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2009, 01:01:10 PM »
ISrael was suppose to have a Constitution ratified by Oct. 1948. Having a Constitution gives a great amount of credulity to a nation's authority, internally and externally; and has seemed to work for us and the majority of other nations. A constitution is the bottom line rule book by which all other laws must be in accord; and so is a hallmark of free democratic nations, otherwise that government can just make up stuff as they go along. Of course when a Constitution gets interpreted and ignored you have a problem. Ben Gurion and his group of terrorists prempted the 1948 ratification as their Constitution inferred there were borders to the new country...that was verboten, and to this day there are no established borders, which makes it difficult on neighbors. A look at a series of maps tells the story. Afterall, Israel doesn't continue to expand by making peace...only thru conflict.

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Please explain how Israel's land for peace giveaway expands Israel.  It would seem that giving land away results in less land while making it much easier for the peaceful Hamas Palestinians to launch rockets into what is left of Israel.

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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2009, 01:15:27 PM »
Dale, now you've gone and done it. You added common sense to this mess. Just what were you thinking! Follow the constitution. What a novel idea. gypsyman
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2009, 04:48:02 PM »
Israel gave the Sinai back to Egypt for recognition and peace with them.  It didn't work with Jordan or Syria.  Jordan didn't want the West Bank back, Israel gave back the Golan heights to Syria only to be attacked again, so they have kept it now.  Also, according to the Brittish treaty back in the late 40's.  Israel was supposed to get the West bank and Jordan the East of the Jordan River.  Israel was attacked and the West Bank occupied in 1948. 

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2009, 11:56:47 PM »
Because of the diverse Jewish population in Israel it would be near impossible to write a constitution for that country.  There are groups in Israel who claim that the country has no right to exist, others want to tear down Al Aqsa mosque and the Christian churches there in order to re-build the temple. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2009, 02:32:11 AM »
The animals are still firing rockets at Isael. I know or resident terrorist sypathiser "says" they are unarmed and no one is being hurt. But I am sure only a few of the most antisemetic hate mongers in the world believe these lies.
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2009, 03:49:24 AM »




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My conclusion to all this, based on the above pictures:  "They're almost there! A little more "housecleaning" and a ton of Israel's problems will be gone."   Looks like they've been heading in the right direction since '48 to me.
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2009, 04:01:57 AM »
they are doing good !
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