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Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« on: January 07, 2009, 04:24:38 PM »
I was thinking of getting the Delorme PN-20 and started looking at the advantages of the PN-40 instead (mainly the speed of processing).  After talking myself into this one, I asked myself, "why not spend another $60 or so and get the full featured Garmin". 

Which of these two is better (least amount of problems)? 

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2009, 04:35:52 PM »
One last thought regarding hunting:  How does the Garmin Rino 530HCX do?  Is this a good GPS radio, or is it best to buy one of the above GPS's and a good radio?

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2009, 06:02:44 PM »
It is both a good gps and radio.  When working with other Rino users it opened up a new world or gmrs/frs radio use with the polling feature and following the tracks of my partners on the screen.

Check this link:
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,153912.0.html

In addition one partner was using a Midland radio and the channels, and tones were compatible.  The downside was the Midland did not transmit position, tracks or act as a gps.

The downside to owning a Rino was that there was nobody local to share the features with, it held until the fall when I got together with my friends.

I cannot address the Colorado t, I have not used one.  If I had the money to buy another gps it would be a second 530HCx.  I find the PN-40 of interest but the last time, and it has been awhile, the mapping is limited to the U.S.A.
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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2009, 02:43:50 AM »
ive got a 20 and its fairly fast but wish i would have waited for the 40. What nice on the delornes is being about to down load arial maps and satlite imigery. I use it to scout for deer hunting areas. Its real easy to pick places in the forest that deer would travel and to find small clearings you would never have known existed. Also delorne is known for having by far the best topo maps. I dont know if garmin has this ability yet but i wouldnt personaly buy one unless i could get these downloads.
I was thinking of getting the Delorme PN-20 and started looking at the advantages of the PN-40 instead (mainly the speed of processing).  After talking myself into this one, I asked myself, "why not spend another $60 or so and get the full featured Garmin". 

Which of these two is better (least amount of problems)? 

Thank you for your help.

NitroSteel
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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 10:31:10 AM »
Garmin 24K(more detail) Topo Maps are pre-loaded on cards and the coverage is rapidly expanding.  http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/us/maps/onthetrailmaps

I do like area photos and use the free version of Goggle Earth.
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Now either the Rino 530 HCX or the Delorme PN-40
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 02:55:14 PM »
Certainly love the maps on the Delorme.  The whole unit got good reviews and I can't think of a real reason not to buy it.  I can imagine laying in a tent/sleeping bag after a miserable unproductive day of hunting in mountains of Wyoming, while reviewing aerial photo maps on my GPS trying to find a spot for the next morning.  It will be hard to go against this feature, because it will be so valuable while hunting.  I'm not sure that the Garmin can come close to this.

On the other hand, the Rino seems like a great product, got good reviews (except for the basemap), certainly if the same quality maps were available for the Rino, that's what I'd buy.  There is alot to be said for not having to tote a seperate radio and also for the position finding feature for other users.  I've always used Garmin and it almost feels wrong not to again.  I just can't get a good feel for the quality of the maps that are available for the Garmin.  Can I just buy the 24k CD that covers the entire US (for $100) and upload what I need to an SD card and plug it in?  How good are these maps?  Can someone post a sample of what one will look like?  How long before Garmin makes the aerial photo style maps available (or are they now, and I've just missed them?)? 

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2009, 03:48:37 PM »
This may be asking too much, BUT:  Will "Garmin Topo 24k" show the type of land it is (ie:  BLM, state land, national grasslands, National forest, etc.)?

That would be truly awesome and worth ALOT....  If it doesn't show, could it be coded this way prior to downloading (in squares or whatever) to show what type of land it is on the GPS screen?

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2009, 04:57:47 PM »
Unfortunately the 24K products are not on a CD or DVD each product is pre-load on a micro-sd card and sell for $99.99.  Normally these cover two states and there are just a few cards to select from at this time.

The pre-loaded 24K are expensive, but are a good deal for those users with limited computer skills.  I think those that have a higher skill level will not be pleased with them because they will not be able to load the maps on to their home computer. 

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=27611&pvID=28988#coverageTab

Information contained on the Colorado-Utah 24K card.
o   Includes topographic coverage of Colorado and Utah.
o   Provides detailed digital topographic maps, comparable to 1:24,000 scale USGS maps.
o   Contains detailed hydrographic features, including, coastlines, lake and river shorelines, wetlands and perennial and seasonal streams.
o   Allows you to search by points of interest, including cities, summit, lakes, campsites and more.
o   Provides elevation profile on compatible Garmin devices so you can estimate terrain difficulty.
o   Contains many routable trails, rural roads, city neighborhood roads, major highways and interstates.
o   Displays national, state and local parks, forests, conservation areas and wilderness areas.
o   Includes points of interests such as parks, campgrounds, scenic lookouts and picnic sites.
o   Displays BLM Township and Range Section overlay as well as USGS quad name overlay




Topo 100K has the entire U.S. on one DVD and you can create Mapsets off your computer using the software, and load it on a micro sd card.

o   Includes topographic coverage of the entire United States, including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico.
o   Provides detailed digital topographic maps, comparable to 1:100,000 scale USGS maps.
o   Contains summit locations with elevation, coastlines, lake and river shorelines, wetlands and perennial and seasonal streams.
o   Allows you to search by city, geographic point, summit, lakes and more.
o   Provides elevation profile on compatible Garmin devices so you can estimate terrain difficulty.
o   Contains many routable trails, rural roads, city neighborhood roads, major highways and interstates.
o   Displays national, state and local parks, forests and wilderness areas.
o   Includes points of interests such as parks, campgrounds, scenic lookouts and picnic sites.
o   (DVD only) Includes BaseCamp(TM), computer software that lets you plan trips on your computer and transfer waypoints, routes and tracks between your computer and your Garmin device.

De Lorme Topo USA 7.0 National Edition
http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtdItemDetail.jsp?item=27525&section=10050

“This may be asking too much, BUT:  Will "Garmin Topo 24k" show the type of land it is (ie:  BLM, state land, national grasslands, National forest, etc.)?”(NitroSteel)

I rather doubt that Garmin Topo 24k will show land status.  I am aware of some land management types that have GIS based maps on their laptops that show land status.  The mapping software is available to agency employees under a license agreement between the developer and the agency. ( Geographic Information Systems) Meaning that most of us could not afford the license.  The employee that down load his waypoint, track, or route to the map on the computer. 

I know what your reaching for in determine land status.  My work around has been to have my Garmin display my route or waypoint on USGS US Topo software to show my location within a Section.  I then located myself on a Forest Service or BLM map.

It appears that the Colorado t has preloaded Topo maps, I believe of the 100K version.  Taken from Garmin:

"Take on the trails with Colorado 400t. This rugged, advanced handheld is packed with detailed topographic maps for all your hiking adventures not to mention 3-D map view, a high-sensitivity receiver, barometric altimeter, electronic compass, SD™ card slot, picture viewer and color display. Exchange tracks, waypoints, routes and geocaches wirelessly between similar units. When the going gets tough, Colorado leads the way.
Explore Backcountry in 3-D"

"Colorado's preloaded U.S. topographic maps, 3-D map view and a built-in worldwide basemap with shaded relief give you all the tools for serious climbing or hiking. Map detail includes national, state and local parks and forests, along with terrain contours, elevation information, trails, rivers, lakes and points of interest. Just in case you’re wondering how steep that hill really is, Colorado’s 3-D map view helps you visualize your surroundings — giving you a better perspective of the elevation."

Now we need to see how this cutting and pasting comes out?


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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 01:55:35 AM »
Isn't this a 24k CD for Garmin?:  https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=998&pvID=2285

It looks like it would cover all of the western states that I hunt in.  I actually CAN'T find some of these (alot of these) areas on the micro-SD cards.

Let me know if you think I am looking at it wrong...

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2009, 08:12:23 AM »

The 24K National Park CD focuses on the National Parks.  It might cover a minor amount of National Forest and BLM areas.  The general rule is that it is illegal to hunt in the National Parks.  I would not depend on the 24K National Park software if I were spending money for a hunt.  There are a few features on the 24K software that are usable on the newer Colorado and Oregon series units, but not on the Rino, 76 or 60 (X) series units.

The problem I find with the 24K software is the two state limit.  A lot of my travels take me to Oregon, and Nevada.  At times my hunts put me on the boundary of California-Oregon or the boundary of California-Nevada, and in theory I could be on the joint of Oregon, California, and Nevada.  In addition I make a few trips to other States on short notice.  The Garmin Map Source Topo 2008 better suits my needs because it covers the United States.  Last year a friend hunted in Alaska, California, and North Dakota.  Topo 2008 was the product he needed for his hunts.  He has a trip in his future to Oklahoma, and Topo 2008 will better fill his needs.



The 24K Micro SD cards cover a total of eight States located West of the Mississippi.  The cards are broke up into two State increments.  Each 2-state Micro SD card will cost me $90 if I go that route.  I can buy the fifty State Topo 2008 for around $90.
http://www.gpsnow.com/Garmin_TOPO_US_2008_for_Mac_and_Windows.htm

http://www.gpsnow.com/Garmin_TOPO_US_24K.htm

I have loaded City Navigator North America on two Garmin gps units along with Topo 2008.  This combination gives me a lot of latitude when traveling the flat lands or the mountains.  This old buck hunter likes to eat and it is nice to use the features in City Navigator to find a restaurant, or find an address in a distant city.   
Base Maps:  Base Maps have a value if you do not have a mapset loaded into your unit that covers an area.  My old Garmin Legend year’s back had 8 MB of map space and I had it loaded with maps for my California hunting grounds.  At 0600 one morning I received a call to head for far Eastern Montana.  I did not have time to load a mapset, and I was soon taking advantage of the base map in the unit.  A few days later I left Eastern Montana and went to Wyoming for a few days.  From there I went to Western Montana for a month.  I operated on the base map, and paper maps.

It was not long that I wanted more memory to hold additional maps.

If I headed for Sturgeon Lake, Alberta tomorrow my City Navigator software loaded on my 76Cx would do a fair job for me.  Of course I would want to add Map Source Canada.  It is unlikely that I will ever return to Mexico because of the drug wars, but there are optional 3rd party mapping programs for Garmin gps units for Mexico and many other countries.

It will be interesting to see if any new handheld gps products come out of the Las Vegas electronics show this week.

There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 08:17:56 PM »
It sounds like here are the sticking points:

1)  If my best hunting friend had or was going to have a Garmin Rino, it would be VERY nice to have for communication/locating each other.
2)  It would be almost a necessity (if wanting a 5 watt radio) on a 5 day hunt (with no way to recharge) to have an extra lithion ion battery or two in my backpack ($55 each) or live with a 2 watt radio using AA batteries.  Big downside...
3)  The mapping capabilities at least for now in Wyoming and New Mexico (my next two hunts) is very much more limited with the Garmin and pretty much everything is of significant extra cost.
4)  If I buy the Delorme I'll get much better maps, - - right now.
5)  If I buy the Delorme I'll have to carry a seperate radio with weather channel
6)  Garmin doesn't offer mapping at least yet (for any price) at the level that is offered by Delorme

Is there a downside to the Delorme that I'm missing other than having to tote a seperate radio?  Is there an upside to carrying the Rino that I'm missing (other than position polling and not having to tote an extra device - for radio)?

I'd really rather buy the Garmin, but it just doesn't sound like the GPS side will do what the Delorme will.  I don't personally know anyone who uses anything other than a Garmin (except the folks that carry Wal-Mart Magellan's - that wish they had Garmin's...).

Is there a Garmin GPS that will come close to the Delorme in mapping?  If so, what maps do I need to buy, and what GPS?  Am I missing anything else?

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2009, 02:54:55 AM »
delorne are the maps the goverment uses and there are no better. if you want 2 way comunication that actually works in the hills your going to need something better then a rhino or any of the cheaper two ways. If you buy the delorne they have a program now that allows you unlimted lifetime down loads of arial and sat imag. for i think it was a 100 bucks. Its hard to beat. If you are hunting a strange area just down load the maps on a card and if your not going back just reuse the card the next time. We had two garmin rhinos at camp and they were great gps units but the radios arent worth buying unless you want to talk to someone out in the yard.
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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2009, 08:22:59 AM »


I will address what I do know a little about.  Three of us had Rino radio’s this fall.  Two 530HCx, and one Rino520.  In the field we started out with a freshly charged lithium ion battery on each radio, and we carried a spare Garmin AA battery pack for the radios.  A fourth hunting partner used one of my Midland GMRS/FRS radios. 

Between one of my hunting partners and myself we have over seventy years of using various generations of public safety portable radios, different types of battery packs, and rechargeable portable batteries.    Before purchasing the Rino’s all of us owned portable CB, and GMRS/FRS radios.  With the fine government radio’s we were able to talk to dispatch centers a hundred miles away.  But there were times we could not talk to a unit in the next drainage because of terrain and one or both units could not hit a repeater.  I believe based on this experience our expectations are realistic.  At no time during our career did we find a portable radio, that would operate at five-watts for five days without changing batteries.

The more a user yaps on any radio the faster they burn the battery.  The primary reason we carry the radios is for the safety of party members.  The majority of us are over six zero and we have our aches and pains.  We agreed on a basic radio plan to cut the Chatter, and to preserve the ability to hunt and enjoy the outdoors.  We decided to start out operating our radios at the 2-watt setting.  If need be we would switch to 5-watts.   

During the two-week period we only recharged our original lithium batteries one time.  This was done one night back in town, but we did have another alternative if needed.  A hunting partner had a 12V charger, which operates off the vehicle power outlet.  And I have a 400-WATT power converter that operates off my vehicle and has a 110 outlet, which allows the use of the Rino’s charger.  Nether of these options were needed.   

I was very impressed with the lithium ion batteries.  During my career I have used different rechargeable batteries from King, Motorola, and other manufactures.  When ever possible I used AA battery packs on my agency portable because the older Ni Cad and Mercury re-chargeable could not be depended on in a crisis.

The 14-day period using the Rino radio’s (520/530HCx) we had dependable communications, and gps navigations.

Like you I had concerns about battery life on an extended trip and I had extra AA batteries in my camping gear if needed.  When I returned home I removed the unused batteries from the radio battery pack and stored my extra batteries away for future use.  Next fall I will again have the extra battery pack with me and extra batteries in camp.

In the real world of wildland fire fighting and law enforcement emergency workers do not plan on more then one shift out of good radio batteries, and the experience ones have one or more backup batteries sets.

Communication Technicians and Officers on a routine bases advise responders against user radios at full power because there is the potential of negative effects of radio beams on the brain.

The most impressive feature of the Rino radios was the Polling on our hunting partners.  With the click of the transmitter key the users with Rino radios could see their partners location and track.  I consider this a great safety tool.

The down side is the cost of the Rino 530HCx.  All hunting partner may not be able to afford one.  All hunting partners do not need the Altimeter, and electronic compass option.  In fact I could do without them.  My first backup choice would be the Rino 520 followed by a refurbished 520.

My third choice would be a Rino 120.  I have considered buying one of these for use by an extended family member or hunting partner.  It may not have the high sensitivity receiver or expanded memory or the 520HCx/530HCx but it has the ability to poll and track party members.

Until actually using the polling feature in the field I could not fully comprehend how great this feature is in use. 

Another feature of the 530HCx is the ability to text a message.  I have not tried this feature, but it would sure create a new level of security.

The PN-40 might be a good fit for you.  There is nothing wrong with carrying a handheld gps, and a GMRS/FRS radio.  For years I carried a gps, portable CB, or FRS radio.  Having them in one pack is handy, but not necessary.

There is a real disadvantage to all portable radios in the woods.  That is the user who is continually yapping away.  This disturbs game, and hunters. 

Lloyd what model Rino?
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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2009, 12:03:10 PM »
Don't overlook the Garmin Oregon series. I own an Oregon 300. I loaded maps from City Navigator 2009 NT and In my case Topos for the North East from Topo 2008 DVD on a 2gb mini sd card. I am very pleased with this setup. I really like the touchscreen interface. When comparing accuracy with my Garmin 60csx I'd say they a on par.

Another thing to remember when you buy either the Colorado 400t or the Oregon 400t with the preloaded topo maps you will not be able to use the maps with your computer You will have to buy the Topo 2008 on DVD additionally to do it..

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2009, 02:32:02 PM »
rhinos are 110s and they only have one watt of power. I totaly agree with you about the chatter. Our camp is in a pretty remote area and i took a radio with me for the first time this year. (i hate them going off unexpectedly) My dad is old and i want to keep tabs on him in the woods. We turned them on when we got to our blinds and ended up on channel 8 because the first 7 channels had idiots talking on them all day.
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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2009, 02:37:58 PM »
I've been doing alot of reading.  Most people on most sites are VERY happy with the Garmin 60csx and have been for a very long time.  Alot folks say that the Delorme maps are somewhat aggrevating to download to the units (slow and take up alot of space).  In regards to the Oregon 400t (these are the most expensive) - the main complaint is that the screen is hard to see in bright sunlight.

I'm going to just have to see each of the units firsthand.  If the Oregon map detail is "good enough" for me, and the screen looks o.k., I may settle on it (but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to turn around and buy another $100 of maps from Garmin).  On the other hand, I hate to "settle" on something that costs $150 more than a unit with much better mapping...  It's tempting to buy the Garmin 60csx and be done with it since it has such a reputation.  But the Delorme PN-40 seems like it may be the best deal if I can get a doctorate degree in GPS'ing and not pull my hair out.  I'd never even heard of "geocaching" until I started reading the forums.  Alot of the "geocachers" seem to love the Oregon because it is truly "paperless" (whatever that means). 

Hopefully I can find each of the units at Bass Pro or somewhere else.  I find myself arguing in circles on which one to get.  I've went from being on a budget, to wanting to get the best one available...  Do any of you have anymore thoughts on the Oregon 400t? 

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2009, 03:45:47 PM »
The tossing and turning over different manufactures and models is common, welcome to the club.  Sounds like you have made a lot of tracks and done a fair share of research.  You might want to find a club in your area made up of folks who look for geocaches.  In some areas there are events for cacher’s and it is an opportunity to meet people who have gps units in hand.  Most of them are fanatics and you might find a few that will show off their unit to you.

You mention Bass Pro Shop.  I have never been in one, but some of the major outdoor stores have seminars and it is an opportunity to see and review a gps unit.  I suspect that many of these seminars are sponsored by a manufacture so you may get a limited view, but it can be worthwhile.

I suggest you do a lot of price checking before you buy.  I have found that most stores sell at the manufactures recommend price, even when the product has been discontinued.  Also keep checking the Garmin website for rebates, when they work at reducing inventory Garmin starts offering rebates.

http://www8.garmin.com/whatsNew/currentpromotions/
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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2009, 04:54:00 PM »
Watch that "geocaching" stuff, if you try it and like it, you can get hooked on it real easy. :)

Just a thought about the Oregon 400t. The preloaded maps on them are not uploadable to your computer. If you want to plan routes, set waypoints, poi's or log tracks on your computer you will need to buy a copy of Topo 2008 on DVD additionally. One reason I opted for the Oregon 300 and the Topo 2008 on DVD.

Siskiyou is right shop around. Bass pro is pretty high priced.

I bought the Oregon 300 here.

http://www.gpsnow.com/garmin_oregon_300.htm
http://www.gpsnow.com/garmin_oregon_400t.htm

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2009, 02:21:43 AM »
Yeah, I'd never actually buy one from a Bass Pro, I just figured it's the best place to put one of each in my hands.

I've found the PN-20 elsewhere for $330.  The Rino 530Hcx for $350'ish.  The Colorado 400t for around $400 and the Oregon 400t for around $475.  Bass Pro doesn't even come close to these prices...

Will the Oregon 300, plus the Topo 2008 CD equal the Oregon 400t (with a copy of mapping software for my computer)?  Is the "Topo 2008 CD" the same topo information as is already on the 400t?  Will the internal memory of the Oregon 300 hold the topo's for the entire US, or if not will a microSD plugged in hold all of it?

This has been great for insight.  Thank you for your help. 

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2009, 04:19:42 AM »
I do not believe you can put the entire Topo 2008 from DVD onto the Oregon 300. I believe Garmin must uses some type of compressed version for internal download for the Oregon 400t.

When copying off the DVD. I believe you can copy 2025 map segments up to 2gb. On my Oregon 300 I bought a mini sd card 2gb and loaded City Navigator "NT" 2009 all of the US and Ontario Canada, plus I picked a portion of the North East US from Topo 2008 which I thought would be useful to me. If I remember right it took up about 1.6gb so there is room to spare on the sd card and all my internal memory on the Oregon is still free.

Here's a site that might answer more of your questions and probably better than I can.

http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/

Good Luck! Hope I was some help.

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2009, 05:15:56 AM »
I do not believe you can put the entire Topo 2008 from DVD onto the Oregon 300. I believe Garmin must uses some type of compressed version for internal download for the Oregon 400t.

When copying off the DVD. I believe you can copy 2025 map segments up to 2gb. On my Oregon 300 I bought a mini sd card 2gb and loaded City Navigator "NT" 2009 all of the US and Ontario Canada, plus I picked a portion of the North East US from Topo 2008 which I thought would be useful to me. If I remember right it took up about 1.6gb so there is room to spare on the sd card and all my internal memory on the Oregon is still free.

Here's a site that might answer more of your questions and probably better than I can.

http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/

Good Luck! Hope I was some help.


Ooops I may have steered your wrong on loading the maps on an sd card. I based my facts on what I had done with previous Garmins. :-[. I went in and read the Wiki map section and it seems to contradict what I said about map segments and Bytes used. I may be selling myself short with the 2gb card. Seems this answers your questions better than me. Read through this section. It answers a lot of your questions.

http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Maps#toc1


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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2009, 02:44:21 PM »
The Delorme no doubt has better maps, but it sounds fairly complicated to work with the maps (and some of the maps are very old I hear).  No other issues, and it is fairly inexpensive - when compared to a Garmin at least.  Something just seems almost too good to be true.

I've about talked myself into an Oregon (of some sort).  I think it would be simpler for the simple minded (that's me), and there's just something about Garmin that makes me feel better.  The biggest complaint seems to be screen brightness in bright sunlight, and eating batteries.  I'm not too worried about that.

When choosing an Oregon:   I can't decide whether to buy the 300 and the Topo 2008 CD or just buy the 400t?  If I'm reading it correctly, it sounds like the 300, plus the CD will come in at less cost (and a little more detail) with nothing lacking except maybe having to put different maps on and off (something I have no experience with).  If I buy the Oregon 400t (for $461 on amazon.com) I'll have to turn around and buy software for the computer end.  The Oregon 300 is $396 at PCnation and Topo 2008 I think I've seen for around $85 somewhere.

Is there a way around buying the CD for the 400t?  Which one do I need and how much will it cost?  Is there a disadvantage for buying the Oregon 300 and topo 2008?

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2009, 03:26:02 PM »
If you are going to upload any route planning, log tracking, etc from your Oregon 400t to your computer you are going to have to buy a copy of Topo 2008 on DVD to load on you computer. If not the 400t is all you need. If you are you will have to buy Topo 2008 on DVD with either Oregon.

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2009, 02:12:33 AM »
not hard to use at all. If i can do it believe me anyone can. My first download of arial maps was a bust and i had to call them and have them walk me though it but after it was over i found if i would have just followed there directions i could have done it myself. One thing i see as a big advantage to the delorne is that there a much smaller company and they really back there product. You wont find a better service dept then they have. they will really bend over backwards for a guy. When you buy it comes with a cetificate for free download. I was afraid i wouldnt be able to do it so i got on the phone with the service rep and explained that to him and asked him if he would make me up a chip allready done. It was amazing how fast he zeroed in on my camp and home and my dads home and when i got it came with a chip with most everything i needed and he did if for nothing and even still gave me the blank chip that came with it and the certificate for free downloads. The topo program is great too. Once on your computer when you buy arail maps or satalite imagery it first downloads by email to your computer so its on your computers topo program too. Ive used the arial maps to scout for deer blind locations sitting at home. A normal topo program does a poor job of showing your fields and with this its just like your flying over it in a plane. I can even zero in on my house or my camp 
The Delorme no doubt has better maps, but it sounds fairly complicated to work with the maps (and some of the maps are very old I hear).  No other issues, and it is fairly inexpensive - when compared to a Garmin at least.  Something just seems almost too good to be true.

I've about talked myself into an Oregon (of some sort).  I think it would be simpler for the simple minded (that's me), and there's just something about Garmin that makes me feel better.  The biggest complaint seems to be screen brightness in bright sunlight, and eating batteries.  I'm not too worried about that.

When choosing an Oregon:   I can't decide whether to buy the 300 and the Topo 2008 CD or just buy the 400t?  If I'm reading it correctly, it sounds like the 300, plus the CD will come in at less cost (and a little more detail) with nothing lacking except maybe having to put different maps on and off (something I have no experience with).  If I buy the Oregon 400t (for $461 on amazon.com) I'll have to turn around and buy software for the computer end.  The Oregon 300 is $396 at PCnation and Topo 2008 I think I've seen for around $85 somewhere.

Is there a way around buying the CD for the 400t?  Which one do I need and how much will it cost?  Is there a disadvantage for buying the Oregon 300 and topo 2008?
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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2009, 08:49:52 AM »
I think the other users are giving you good advice.

This morning I went back and priced three different gps units.

DeLorme PN-40 bundled with USA Topo software     $350.00

Garmin 60CSx software additional            $330.00

Rino 520HCx   software additional                               $365.00

There is no doubt in my mind the DeLorme PN-40 bundle is the best deal.  The software package is a big part of the value when it comes to gps use.  Yes, I have been able to get by without the additional software, but I enjoy the enhancement of working with mapping software and the knowledge base contained in it.

The 60CSx is a very good gps, even if it is not the latest item around.  This unit is used a lot by professional outdoorsmen and first responders into the wildland.  To take full advantage of this unit in the wildland the user must purchases a copy of Map Source U.S. Topo 2008, for around $85, the more sophisticated user might add City Navigator software with auto routing features.  I have used the City Navigator to find hospitals, places to eat, and motels when on road.  They are in the database.

I list the Rino 520HCx rather then the Rino 530HCx because of the lower cost.  While the electronic compass is easily user calibrated I am not totally satisfied with the altimeter.  It is easy enough to calibrate the altimeter when I am home; I just click on a computer icon to the nearest weather station that records pressure, and enter that into the unit.  That works great.  But when I spend two weeks in the mountain without the computer link I had to guess at my elevation.  I think that using the map elevation and the satellite elevation are adequate for my needs.  I just obtain the following differences from my current location after resetting the pressure on my 530HCx.   The difference between satellite elevation and altimeter elevation is 54-feet.  The difference between altimeter elevation and map elevation on the unit is 32-feet.  The difference between satellite elevation and map elevation is 2-feet.

I doubt the altimeter will buy the hunter who has a Rino or a separate FRS/GMRS radio that receives NOAA weather radio a hill of beans.  If you are involved with S&R, wildland fire, or other activities that require load calculations for helicopters or other aircraft at unimproved landing sites it might be worth the extra dollars.

The tracking of pressure changes can be of importance to fishermen. 

It would appear the big advantage Garmin has is the large number of users that can provide support.  This is a perceived advantage.  I can look at local community college classes, adult night classes, and seminars put on by outdoor warehouses, and the instructional material is Garmin based. 

During the last 12-months I have discussed gps units with S&R team members, deputy sheriffs, Game Wardens and wildland fire fighters.  They were all using Garmin GPS units.  The most popular unit was the 60CSx.  Because of cost the younger ones where buying the Garmin eTrex units.

Five years ago I encountered a Game Warden who had a personal Magellan gps.  A few years before that I was looking at buying my first gps unit and one of my advisors had a mapping Magellan and the original yellow eTrex.  I would consider this guy an expert with his college degree in GIS.  His advice was they were both good.  He was mapping the perimeter of a forest fire in Utah.

My experience is that I picked up a few clues on the net regarding Garmin units, but the learning experience came with getting out and using it.  Setting and learning the different function while watching TV.  I believe I could have done the same thing with a PN-40 and would have been ahead of the curve because of the included Topo package.

If you see future trips outside of the USA the Garmin has the advantage with broad selection of worldwide software.

I like the post from str8shooter48 and Lloyd; they are giving you a good user prospective of their units.





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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2009, 09:40:37 AM »
like i said i love mine. I just wish i would have waited another year and got the pn40 with the better reciever. Mine does ok in just about any situation picking up satalites but in the thick woods it can be slow and screan loading is agonizingly slow. The 40 should take care of those things.
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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2009, 09:24:53 PM »
It looks like alot of people had the same questions as me (on other forums) regarding whether to get the Oregon 300 or 400t.  In most every situation it seems better to buy the 300 plus the Topo 2008 software.  The only situation where it seems like it would not be best is if you NEVER want to connect to a PC.  The 400t saves a little on cost - about $20-30 (and simplicity) in this situation.  However with the 400t there are unanswered questions relating to how the 400t's already loaded topo maps are upgraded and a few other issues about memory, etc.  It just sounds like the 300, plus the TOPO 2008 software is a win/win.  It sounds like there is other "free" software that will do nearly what the Topo 2008 software will do and that might be an option saving about $85, but I haven't looked hard into that yet...

Now its just a matter of putting my hands on a Delorme PN-40, Oregon 300 or 400t (but if I buy an Oregon it will definetly be a 300), and possibly a 60CSX.  The number of people who own and are smitten' with the 60CSX (including my best hunting buddy), can't be denied.

Thank ya'll again for your help.

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Re: Which GPS - Delorme PN-40 or Garmin Colorado 400t?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2009, 07:28:35 AM »
I was able to play with a Garmin Colorado 400t today and must say that I really liked it.  The complaints on this GPS have been rampant as I'm sure ya'll know.  Most everything I read says that the bugs have been worked out with a few releases of firmware updates by the middle of last year.

Does anyone know if these bugs are truly worked out?  I liked the controls on this GPS, found it for a bit cheaper than the Oregon and didn't have any trouble seeing the screen.  Thoughts?

Thank ya'll again.

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