At least three rockets have been fired into Israel from Lebanon, it has been cla

[mirage1988]

There is plenty of land in america where you can blow yourself up if you want to without killing a bunch of innocents. You have ABSOLUTELY no sympathy here TM7.

[Casull]

I didn't call anybody names in this thread or elsewhere

I won't say that is a lie, but it sure ain't true.   

[billy_56081]

I didn't call anybody names in this thread or elsewhere

I won't say that is a lie, but it sure ain't true.  

+1 Casull

WOW! Himler and Gerbils would have been proud of that one.

[Graybeard]

GB...

I don't think it's fair at all. And I didn't call anybody names in this thread or elsewhere, but I have endured plenty of accusations because I have tried to discuss with others about a few different way of looking at things. Your threat is one of the things that indicate something is terriblely wrong in this country.

..TM7

BULL crap. Just because you went in and edited out the name calling does NOT change the fact you did it and we all read it. You tend to sit back behind your protection from Matt and snipe at folks trying to get them to violate the rules so you can piss and moan about it. You don't have me fooled tho. Please advise just where the hell I made a threat.

When you do figure out this little false flag gambit, if you do; I in turn expect to be notified fully who it was so I can proceed with proper measures. I in turn have notified my internet service provider and they will take further measures.

Of that you can be sure. IF/WHEN we determine the truth of the matter it will be made public.

[beerbelly]

I can see no difference between the Islams and the Israels. Both should be wiped off the face of the earth. Then there would be peace in the middle east. As long as eather of them exist there will never be peace.
                                                    Beerbelly

[Graybeard]

GB...

I don't think it's fair at all. And I didn't call anybody names in this thread or elsewhere, but I have endured plenty of accusations because I have tried to discuss with others about a few different way of looking at things. Your threat is one of the things that indicate something is terriblely wrong in this country.

..TM7

BULL crap. Just because you went in and edited out the name calling does NOT change the fact you did it and we all read it. You tend to sit back behind your protection from Matt and snipe at folks trying to get them to violate the rules so you can piss and moan about it. You don't have me fooled tho. Please advise just where the hell I made a threat.

When you do figure out this little false flag gambit, if you do; I in turn expect to be notified fully who it was so I can proceed with proper measures. I in turn have notified my internet service provider and they will take further measures.

Of that you can be sure. IF/WHEN we determine the truth of the matter it will be made public.

Bull Crap is right. I didn't edit anything in this thread and ignored your first post attacking me. I've never edited anything to change content because I got nothing to be ashamed of. And I don't snipe at folks ...I just speak my point of view and defend myself when necessary. If you want an example of 'sniping' at people look at the two post ahead of yours.

I'm sorry to see your website fall from grace like this.

...TM7

Now you've again resorted to lying. Your post does not now read as it did at the time I made my comment. It has beed edited. That's a fact Jack.

And from "what grace" has this site fallen? From yours? Wow boy does that bother me I bet I'll lose at least a microsecond of sleep over it tonight.



Now as to why Totenkopf assumed it was you who sent it whether it was or was not is yet to be determined and will have to be determined by folks far more computer savy than me. I do not even pretend to understand the code he sent us as verification of what he got. I'll leave that to Matt and the FBI who are currently working the matter according to Totenkopf.

But here is the e-mail address from which it was sent and from it you can see why he assumed it you even if it might not have been.

tm7hotmail@gmail.com

Now I gotta say that's a rather odd looking excuse for an e-mail address and may or may not even be a valid one that I dunno but it is apparently the one the e-mail had on it as sender regardless. If I had gotten one from it I'd have assumed you as sender also even tho my assumption might not have been valid. I still would have assumed it.

[BBF]

This is getting better and better by the post.

[Graybeard]

I have not said or intimated that you sent it. I have merely said that if I got an e-mail from such an address I like he would have assumed it you that sent it. That doesn't make it so nor would it have made it so had it been me rather than him that got it. I have no clue who sent it.

I do suspect tho that if as he says the FBI is now involved whomever sent it is gonna wish they had not if they are in the US. Those guys just got no sense of humor at all.

I do not know if Matt has a means of determining who has edited your post or not but what it says now is not even close to what it said initially and yes you called him a liar flat out and some other rules breaking things. Now unless you are wanting to say someone else other than you made that initial post from your account you need to end the falsehoods on this thread. I really am tiring of it. You did call him some very strong names and someone you or someone with mod or admin priviledges has edited them to what it now says. If I thought you worth the trouble I'd copy and keep your posts so I could demonstrate the changes being made by you or someone to them. But you really are not worth the effort. Hell I put you on ignore but the stupid software won't let me not see your posts. I wish it would.

I've now searched the Moderator logs from now to prior to your making that post. If any moderator or admin had in any way edited the post it would show there. It does NOT. Since it doesn't now read as it did initially I can only conclude it had to be you TM7 who did the edit.

[Totenkopf]

 I sincerely doubt any other person on this board knows arabic, much less has an arabic keyboard to type on. I can care less one way or another. It is out of my hands. A threat to me is fine and dandy. My wife and children are a different matter entirely. As for who sent it, that will come out in the wash. I seriously doubt a person would take the time to creat an email and type a message in arabic with the intent of framing someone else. This is a hunting board, people come here to talk about shooting and hunting. Not much interest in arabic, or any other languages for that matter.

[Matt]

everyone should now be able to see if a post was edited and by whom... so enough of the BS...

Here is my postion:

Totenkopf (plural: Totenköpfe; also Totenschädel, plural same) is the German word for "skull and crossbones" (literally "dead man's head") and is used to describe a military insigne featuring a skull suprapositioned upon crossed long bones; when used in this context it is commonly known as the "death's head" in English. It is distinguished from the similar traditions of the skull and crossbones and the Jolly Roger by the positioning of the bones directly behind the skull. For a long time in use in several countries, its association with aspects of Nazi Germany has perhaps accelerated its decline as societies remove the most morbid symbols from their military uniforms.

and this as well:

Totenkopf was in LA last night at 11:30PM and then in AL today... he is bouncing from government servers all over the country... sorry I DO NOT TRUST ANYONE IN THE GOVERNMENT...

Matt

[Totenkopf]

Ah ha good detective work Matt. Totenkopf is skull and bones. My nickname from the Army. Someone on here already found that though. As for jumping servers, I use hughes net satelite, can't help what it bounces off of. Your email with alter egos, don't know what you are referring to. Trust, hmm, I don't trust anyone who covers for someone who is up to no good. As for the email original was sent to gb. For the constant threats of banning, your an administrator, do what you feel is right. As always pleasure talking to you.

[Totenkopf]

You know what Matt, on second thought I'm gone. Not worth the trouble. Feel free to ban me I wont be back. Good day.

[Matt]

GBO has 152 registered members who use HughesNet... YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM... After spending some time searching the logs YOU HAVE NEVER ACCESSED GBO FROM HUGESNET! Another lie...

Keep them coming I love to play these games... Though I would never claim to be the smartest person in computers I have been doing this for a VERY VERY long time and I know how to get information that many may not... guess you did not count on that did you...

Your latest access to GBO comes from the following ISP's:

OrgName:    CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc.
OrgID:      CIH-12
Address:    100 CenturyTel Drive
City:       Monroe
StateProv:  LA
PostalCode: 71201
Country:    US

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OrgName:    National Aeronautics and Space Administration
OrgID:      NASA
Address:    IS05/Office of the Chief Information Officer
City:       MSFC
StateProv:  AL
PostalCode: 35812
Country:    US

----------------------------------------------------

There are 3 other registered members that share these same ISP's with you and also share 25 or more of the IP addresses you have used. so yes I say you have alternate accounts that you have been using some registered for several years now... I am scanning the access logs for last year to find all the pages viewed by the IP addresses that are used by you and I bet that I can find a pattern...

Having been a DirecWay Network Installer and Tech I KNOW HOW THEY WORK... and they do not bounce you around as you claim... so try again...  oh here is a HughesNet Header:

OrgName:    Hughes Network Systems
OrgID:      HNS
Address:    11717 Exploration Lane
Address:    DirecWAY Network Management Center
Address:    attn: Network Security Manager
City:       Germantown
StateProv:  MD
PostalCode: 20876
Country:    US

I am gathering all the info I have on you and the info google sent me to prove that you are the one who registered the gmail email address and that you have fabricated the whole story... so more to come soon....

Matt

[ms]

That's what I thought it's BS I'm surprised he got billy to believe that story about TM7.

[Matt]

oh yeah and I also have all the Knoxville tracking info for your CenturyTel visits as well... Those people are real helpful... I just hope abuse@nasa.gov is as helpful...

Matt

[Dee]

Perhaps now GB the cockroaches will seek a darker climate. Good move on both you and Matt's part. Me thinks you will find the culprit and it will surprise all, if it actually happened.
I have an idea of my own, concerning the whom. We shall see.

[ms]

Perhaps now GB the cockroaches will seek a darker climate. Good move on both you and Matt's part. Me thinks you will find the culprit and it will surprise all, if it actually happened.
I have an idea of my own, concerning the whom. We shall see.

I agree he's working with someone here .

[Dee]

I didn't imply, nor say that.

[ms]

I didn't imply, nor say that.

   

[mirage1988]

Are you happy now?
The guy is a lifer in the military- protecting your and my rights to free speech and you run him off because you don't want to offend a terrorist sympathizer. Welcome to America!

[Casull]

Are you happy now?
The guy is a lifer in the military- protecting your and my rights to free speech and you run him off because you don't want to offend a terrorist sympathizer. Welcome to America!

 

[Dee]

Are you happy now?
The guy is a lifer in the military- protecting your and my rights to free speech and you run him off because you don't want to offend a terrorist sympathizer. Welcome to America!

With all due respect there mirage1988, if Mr. Totenkoph has nothing to hide, he has no need to leave. Voluntarily or other wise. On the other hand, if he did perpetrate this hoax HIMSELF, being a military man does not give him a free pass. There are good AND BAD folks in the service. 
Now! As you said. This IS America. Due process, is due process. You wouldn't on the other hand want to see a guilty man escape would you?
As far as TM7, my views toward HIS views are no secret either, however, with all the exchanges TM7 has had with all the other posters, it seems a bit ODD that Mr. Totenkoph is the ONLY ONE to receive a "threatening email" allegedly from TM7.
If Billy and you want to do your own investigation, I think that also would be interestingly entertaining.
I say, let it play out. This is quite interesting, AND entertaining also.
With the present content being what it is, GB & Matt may not have to invite the Feds in, they may come on their own. If they do, then GB and Matt will have the perpetrator and one or two cowboys here to thank for it.

[Matt]

Are you happy now?
The guy is a lifer in the military- protecting your and my rights to free speech and you run him off because you don't want to offend a terrorist sympathizer. Welcome to America!

you are quiet cocky as well... lets look at a few things:

a) he made a very serious accusation about another member

b) he was asked to produce said email by means of forwarding it so the original headers would be in tack and instead provided only this via PM

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c) after doing a check he is coming in from NASA.gov computers for the most part and says he is in Montana I think it is using HughesNet which is a flat out lie as I have the information on his location.

d) He first said that the email address that sent the email was TM7@hotmail.com but after being confronted and told that this was a bogus email address he changed it to TM7Hotmail@gmail.com which I am talking with google abuse about.

e) many of you blab on and on about not believing everything on the net... hey guess what that goes for people as well... you say we are running off a lifer in the military... did you server with him... have you seen his credentials... met him face to face... my bet is no but yet you believe him based only on the fact that he is bashing a member you don't care for.

The internet is a great thing and allows us to go around the world and never leave home but it also provides a degree of anonymity to people and allows them to be anything they want in cyber space. Often when ones own opinions are reflected by another in cyber space many seem to add validity and credibility to that person automatically... funny how that works...

So if you want to get your panties in a wad over this and jump right in with a fellow just because you like the fact that he don't like TM7... just remember he has been caught in a few lies now... so think long and hard before making your next post on this topic...

Matt

[mirage1988]

I!
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all.


This still gives me goosebumps when I hear it read-
There are so many that want to change it- take out the reference to God.
This country was formed by people that were tired of tyranny and had the balls to stand up for what was right.
Are there enough people now to fight for their rights?

[Matt]

I!
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all.


This still gives me goosebumps when I hear it read-
There are so many that want to change it- take out the reference to God.
This country was formed by people that were tired of tyranny and had the balls to stand up for what was right.
Are there enough people now to fight for their rights?

The answer to that is no hence the reason we are where we are now... no one want to stand up and believe that we ourselves are so close to living in a tyranny that it is not funny.

Matt

[Matt]

oh yeah and as to the God comment... You know God is God... there is but one creator... call him what you want... worship how you want and believe what ever you want as it matters not to me... This country was founded on freedom... not freedom to do it only one way...

Matt

[DalesCarpentry]

I am and never have been a TM7 fan by a long shot but I think this whole thing is BS. I think Matt has a handle on it and it has been interesting to see it play out. Dale

[alsaqr]

Thanks, Matt. 

I am retired US Army and just a little put out that a guy who claims to be retired Army would pull this kind of stunt.  Am also put out by the fact that a retired US Army man would use as his handle a symbol of Nazi tyranny. 

[Graybeard]

At this point it is still NOT CLEAR who did what. Eventually we'll get to the bottom of it I'm sure.

For now Matt has contacted Google who assigned the e-mail account that it came from. They are to report back the very specific details of who set up the account and yeah you'd be surprised at the level of info those rascals at Google can obtain on you. It has also been turned over to NASA who's computers were used to send the e-mail it seems. If someone working at NASA has used government computers to send a threat even if a false one to themself or someone else and it was not with full and complete knowledge of the folks over them I'd say that whomever that person might be is likely to be wishing they had never played this game.

Now who knows with the content of this site and all and the way the government is becoming they might have done it as a government sting who knows. Certainly not I. We'll just let this play out and see what becomes of it.

At this point Matt seems reasonably convinced it wasn't the TM7 who posts here that sent it. It's all way over my head as I've said from the beginning. I'll leave it to Matt and the folks that are working thru it to see who is guilty and what to do with them once that is established. I'm pretty sure that between Google and NASA we'll know in time.

[mirage1988]

You have no proof that he did- I believe a man that gave twenty years of his life in defense of his country before I believe a man(?) that has nothing but hate to say about the country he lives in. Maybe he should move back if it is really so bad here.