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Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« on: January 09, 2009, 12:38:09 AM »
Ok. This post may sound almost inane but here it goes. What, in your opinion, is then best state to live off the grid,self-sufficiently,etc?

I know some some states are rather unfriendly as it seems towards landowner rights and things of that nature. As an example, I looked at land in southern New Hampshire and many towns won't let you build a home unless it has a powerline or a road above a certain class to allow a fire apparatus or ambulence to travel down it.


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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 02:09:53 AM »
I have heard that Libertarians are choosing particular areas to move to. Trying to form conservative enclaves where they can at least gain control of the local government. I'm no Libertarian, but that would sure beat the alternative. 

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 03:14:19 AM »
ALASKA

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 01:48:05 PM »
It is pretty good here in Montana.  DP
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2009, 02:37:55 AM »
I have heard that Libertarians are choosing particular areas to move to. Trying to form conservative enclaves where they can at least gain control of the local government. I'm no Libertarian, but that would sure beat the alternative. 
 

That's what the liberal socialist pigs did to Vermont--it took them about 40 years, but they control the whole state now. They haven't messed with our gun rights yet, but would love to.  The rest of us are looking for a better place to go, such as a rural setting, low taxes, the ability to own firearms with minimal restrictions by big brother.

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2009, 02:54:47 AM »
I'd tell you but then the secret would be out...  actually I'd have to say Oklahoma.  We have a very conservative state government.  Our federal representatives are conservative as well.  In this last farce of an election, not one county voted Muslim.  Property taxes are low.  Growing season is long.  Lots of sunshine for solar.  Lots of wind for wind power.  Sometimes the winters are cold but usually it doesn't last too long.  You can have plains, lakes, big hills (we call'em mountains), rivers or whatever terrain you want.  Folks are friendly and cost of living is cheap.  That is where I will retire to in a couple of years after Uncle Sam is done with me (or after I'm done with him).  Just don't live in a trailer park... the tornadoes get happy there.


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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 02:56:09 AM »
My son's bro-in-law lives in Arizona. He's got some full auto and suppressed stuff. When my son went to visit he said people just pull off to the side of the road and shoot full auto. That must be where America went 'cause it's not here anymore.
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 06:05:33 AM »
Problem with Arizona is its slowly being takein over by souther commyfornia. Nevada looks pretty inviting to me. Lotsa open land over there if you can find a good water source.
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 07:13:21 AM »
Alabama isn't bad in certain rural areas.  Very few restrictions in some of those areas.  Winters are mild so it wouldn't take much to heat, but summers are very hot, need shade trees and or a lake, creek, or pond nearby to cool off in without air conditioning in the afternoons.  I stayed with my grandparents in the summers, and they took naps under shade in the summer.  Even inside the house was hot.  They had no air conditioning, but used window fans and box fans to stay cool.  They got up at 5am and worked outside until about 11am, came in, had a cold cut, tomato, banana, or pineapple sandwich, then took a nap until about 3 or 4, then went back to do some work.  They had chickens, a garden, and fruit trees.  They absolutely didn't work in the afternoon.  They had an outhouse until the 60's when they finally installed indoor plumbing.  Vegetable gardens are very productive as you can actually grow something year round on the same plot.  Collards, turnips, and various root crops grew well in the winter.  Anything else grew in at least two other planting seasons.  In my area, the last frost is in about late March, while the first frost is around the first of November.  The county that I am in recently enacted building codes.  About 30 years ago, outhouses were outlawed.  Some more rural counties, outhouses are still in use, and some people still do not have or want electricity. 

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 10:18:03 AM »
As much as Alaska sounds wonderful, you got to keep warm ! You have to have potable water. Very few of us could live of the land or become a Mountain Man.
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2009, 08:38:27 AM »
Missouri is a great state :D

They don't care what buildings you have as long as you pay taxes on them :D

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2009, 08:56:07 AM »
It is pretty good here in Montana.  DP

Listening to them Montana boys talk and lookin at them purdy pictures, that seems like a good place...  :-\  but!  If'n I were gonna be THAT cold I' guess jus go whole hog and head for Alaska!   ;D  Think I'll jus stay in Jawja...  ;)
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2009, 04:00:24 PM »
I'm kinda partial to Ga. I have a pretty large tract of land that God has
graced me with. 2 creeks, high water table for a good well. Ample
sun for Solar battery charging. fully wooded to stop those prying eyes.
Deer, small game and close enough to a river that I can pop waterbirds
in the evenings on their way in to land. Soil is kind of acid due to old growth
Pines but enough lime in my garden area has solved that.
With the proper choice of land, I don't really think it matters what state
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2009, 09:23:57 AM »
I agree that you southern boys will have an easier time of it if things fall apart. The wide open spaces in the west are wide open for a reason. It takes 20 acres to graze a cow here, the basic productivity of the land is just low. I shudder to think about how many folks think that they can just run to the place where they hunt elk in Montana or Wyoming if the world falls apart. If just the people from the small cities here in the west spread out into the countryside, it will put such a strain on the natural ecosystem that there will be mass starvation.

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2009, 02:36:32 PM »
Appalachian mts s/w VA. s/e KY.
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2009, 03:38:48 PM »
VA and KY are not good for solar or wind power but if you can do without juice they are good for growing some crops and hunting fishing, water is usally good to but for just living off the grid.... not so good. 8)
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2009, 04:43:52 PM »
To add another factor into the equation.... What about land prices? I would be interested to find out what 10 to 20 acre plots are going for in the aforementioned areas.

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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2009, 03:53:54 PM »
Any southern state.especially GEORGIA!....  great weather, if you don't mind gnats & mosquitos...  we can grow something year round...  plenty of wild game....  AND we are all armed....  we got your back!

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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2009, 03:58:14 PM »
I forgot to tell you for land price in each state go to www.realtor.com  click which state and it will give you an idea of what prices are.

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2009, 04:45:27 PM »
WEll this is interesting for me.  I live on the Texas Gulf coast. Now Dont get me wrong, I love it here! Plenty of everything ,food ,water, ocean, inland lakes, and everykind of wildlife known to man on Continental USA, with the exception of Moose, elk, and griz. But man do we have some skeeters and heat in the summer ! I dont know how the first settlers stayed here! Of course we have A/C but that may not be available if SHTF! So we may have to tuffn up and stick it out! My family had no A/C until the mid Sixtys and we made it ok. If i was in a little higher elevation I would stay there so maybe nights and summer would not be so hot!
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2009, 07:27:04 PM »
Why do folks always think Alaska? This place is neat and all, but most of what you hear and see on TV is advertising hype. It may have been the place to be a few years ago, but now access to anywhere is VERY limited unless you have a plane or plenty of money.

What's everyone's thoughts about Arkansas?

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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2009, 05:06:57 AM »
I really like Arkansas, especially in then Mountains in the west and the buffalo river area.

We canoed down and camped on the Buffalo river a few years back. There was good fishing a lot of game. One morning when I got up there were  cat prints beside my tent that made me snap my head around to see if it was behind me!  Could'a lived on that sand bar right up until flood time.  ;)
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2009, 02:47:55 PM »
Any southern state.especially GEORGIA!....  great weather, if you don't mind gnats & mosquitos...  we can grow something year round...  plenty of wild game....  AND we are all armed....  we got your back!

Can someone recommend a realtor site to peruse? Being a yankee, I have no idea what the different counties consist of. I would assume it's cooler and less humid in the mountains? And more rural as well, I would think? Those would be the areas Iin which I would be interested. Provided you folks allow yankees to relocate to your state?   ;D

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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2009, 06:24:26 PM »
Alaska is the last state where subsistance hunting and fishing is legal. But the climate is not good for gardening in most of it. The cost of living is extreamily high. Travel is very expensive. Remember unless your on the limited road system you travel by plane or boat.

I think to have a chance of survival a family is better off to forget hunting and grow crops along with keeping livestock. That rules out most of the northern and southwest states. The southeastern states are probably your best bet. Like someone said, You can have something growing in your garden year round.

Here in southeast Alaska we have a short growing season. Berries are abundant as is seafood and shellfish. But I run my furnace most years for all 12 months. Full oil in the villages was $480.00 a gallon this year. Fuel for my boat was almost as high. If you are trying to make it here without a income your going to have tough times. JME Regards
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2009, 02:22:02 AM »
Any southern state.especially GEORGIA!....  great weather, if you don't mind gnats & mosquitos...  we can grow something year round...  plenty of wild game....  AND we are all armed....  we got your back!

Can someone recommend a realtor site to peruse? Being a yankee, I have no idea what the different counties consist of. I would assume it's cooler and less humid in the mountains? And more rural as well, I would think? Those would be the areas Iin which I would be interested. Provided you folks allow yankees to relocate to your state?   ;D

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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2009, 02:37:45 AM »
The only thing us yankees would change would be our accent.
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2009, 10:22:28 AM »
Bob, you know yankees cant live anywhere without trying to make it just like up-north.  ;) And thats all I've got to say about that. Regards,
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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2009, 11:16:52 AM »
Time have changed since Sherman came down you know.
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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2009, 12:56:18 PM »
For who!?   ;)
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« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2009, 01:00:23 PM »
Can someone recommend a realtor site to peruse?

Plenty of info on our state all over the web.  Biggest east of the Mississippi River BTW.  Naturally most people moving into Georgia locate near their work.  Which pretty much means metro Atlanta.
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