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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2009, 05:52:02 PM »
Bob, you know yankees cant live anywhere without trying to make it just like up-north.  ;) And thats all I've got to say about that. Regards,

Personally, I can't stand living "up north" much longer. I'm speaking of my particular area, as I know that there are areas of new england that are pleasant to live, the people are "real", and it's a decent lifestyle. As for me, I've had it with the rude and obnoxious, the "me first" attitudes, the "I have to shave 3 seconds off my arrival time" drivers, the boom boxes that rattle your windows, the sirens, etc., etc. I'm looking for friendly, but somewhat distant neighbors, peace and quiet and a slower pace of life. And in regards to trying to change things..... I leave things as they are. if I don't like the way they are, I grin and bear it or get up and move.  ;D

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2009, 11:52:25 AM »
 i was born and raised around Chicago,IL. i now live in Arkansas.  the last thing i want to do is try to change anything here. i like it just fine as it is. when they say the natural state they got it right. wish i could afford some land but can't.

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2009, 11:10:55 AM »
I've been casually pokin' around on the internet at land prices in different states. I realize that it's not the best representation of rural pricing, but it's the only input I have. I've been to maine a few times and dependin' on how far in the sticks you want to be, you can buy land for as little as $500-2000 an acre. From what I have seen so far, you can't come anywhere near that pricing in the southern states. Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer Georgia over maine, but some of the mountainous areas I looked at were going for +$25,000 an acre! Is that the norm or am I just looking in the wrong places? I'm looking for a little 5 acre plot to have a little homestead.

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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2009, 01:15:41 PM »
You can still buy cheap here in Kantucky, I 1400.00 for the tow acres I built my house on and we paid 35.000.00 for the 56+ acres the hunting lodge is on. the only problem here is finding a good source of alternative power. 8)
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2009, 04:58:32 PM »
here in Kantucky,

Oooh!   :o  I always wanted to hunt in Ky!    ;) ;D  Home state of the "Orphan Brigade!" ;D
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2009, 03:34:06 AM »
I belive that if you plan right, look at your options, anywhere you live can be the best state. I've got Lake Erie just over a mile north of me.(walleye,perch,catfish) The biggest state park in the area is located there. Not unusual to see 20-40 deer moseying around on the golf course. I plant a garden ever year, and can most of it. If my family goes hungry, we're not doing our job.
I've got relative's and friends within that couple miles, have all gone thru some times together, and we're all gun nuts. If the SHTF, we've all talked about it, and have a plan.
If my father, who built the house I live in, could make it thru 31/2 years of Guadacanal,Bogainville, and a few other place's in the South Pacific, the least I can do is defend it.  gypsyman
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2009, 10:18:22 AM »
 :)lonewolf, it was interesting reading the replys to your questions. Okla. has always interested me. Maj. Charles Askins settled there because of the super bird shooting. Now they have added deer and wild turkey also. I think they were both gone in the Major's time. Anyway, it has been my good fortune to have traveled around the U.S. quite a bit. So far I have made it to all the states except Del., N. J., and Rhode Island. Have no desire to go either. :P I did quite a bit of reading and thinking about a move like you are considering. For me it would have to be a state that permitted rifle hunting for big game, here is what I found. West Va. had maybe it still does,  lots of deer, some bear, turkey, lots of upland game.  The fishing was very good for warm water fish. Gardens did super. Land in some areas was still reasonable. People were clannish, but once you were known as a good guy, you were in. It is warmer that Pa. and lands farther north, but not as bad as the deep south. They have some bugs, but not horrible. Also they had rattlesnakes and copperheads, but not every mean snake known to man like some of the southern states. ;D Don't take offense, southern boys, but snakes make me real nervous. Both for me and my dogs. Also, no alligators to eat you or your pets. :-[ A second option was mentioned in the magazine FUR-FISH-GAME. Hope this is ok mentioning this mag.????  A guy moved out to he hills as you are planning, I believe he chose Wis. or Minn. He was far enough north that gardens still worked, but you had to be on top of it. He felt that area was a good pick, he did a rerun a couple years ago. I think the title was "We Took to the Woods", In the second article, he mentioned some of the things that had learned in the years they had been living in the hills. It was neat. ;)  I probably have both articles, if I could only find them. Hope this helps. Let us know what you decide. As someone said the West is pretty harsh. I live here and like it, but I would NOT want to try and live off the land????? :o

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2009, 08:13:32 AM »
I live in Oregon. The only problem with Oregon is all of the Californians who have migrated north and tried to change our state to the very state they left! Our state has stayed pretty gun friendly. There is a few places that are not like Portland, but I try to stay as far away from there as possible anyhow!

Between my dad and I we have several fairly large pieces of property around and in the coast range. The surrounding property is nothing but timberland and some BLM land. The climate is moderate for the most part. It doesnt get too cold or too hot. It does rain a good amount in the winter, but things tend grow good too. We have a lot of deer and elk around. Pretty good grazing for animals. The population is pretty small and fairly well armed.

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2009, 03:53:49 AM »
 i hope all these folks planning on dropping outa sight of govt arnt old as me..meds is where the govt will catch me.. of course who knows mabe i gain some physical ability back an totally drop all med in that situation.. if i survived it who knows ..might live until some govt
 control freak whacks me with his sniper gun..or mabe i whack..oops didn t say that. slim :)

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2009, 01:46:36 PM »
 (one in another country) as this one is full of governmental liars ,thiefs, and just corrupt individuals that make the laws for us to follow and if we do not they will take good care of us in a urine smelling jail in with drunks and perverts.

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2009, 01:52:18 PM »
Ask a cajun.  They've been on the Bayou long before most of our grandpappies were born, and they can sure make a good rue.  Get a little windy sometimes tho.
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2009, 09:25:50 AM »
I heard rumours that the FAA is looking at those Bayou skeeters. ;D ;D
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2009, 05:03:18 PM »
Snakes aren't as bad as they seem in the south.  Hunting in Alabama is from mid November to the end of February.  It is usually cold enough for snakes to be denned up.  Turkey season (March & April) they are coming out and early dove (Sept.), squirrel, and rabbit (mid-Oct) and bow season (mid-Oct) the may be out trying to find a winter den.  Copperheads are actually the most dangerous since half of all snakebites down hear are Copperheads.  Rattle snakes do give a warning, and if you are fishing from the bank of a pond, lake or river you must watch out for Cottonmouths.  Copperheads look like leaves.  I have a friend who was bitten by one.  He didn't even see it and stepped on it, and it swung around and bit him.  All this being said.  I have 55 and have only seen one rattlesnake in the wild when hunting.  I have seen several Cottonmouths while walking a creek.  Never a copperhead.  They slittered into the water when as I walked along the sides.  Wearing boots and snakeproof chapps during the warmer hunting weather is good protection.   Hunting season is long down here, fishing is great, and gardening can be year round.  Shade trees and air-conditioning are a must.  Swimming pools are nice also, just put one in.  I also have gone to a large lake (lots of dammed up rivers), find an isolated slue, anchor and swim or fish.  Swimming in a large lake is best done away from the banks in deeper water to avoid snakes.  Bass fishing is good in February and March, also in Oct and Nov.  Gulf coast fishing is great also. 

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2009, 05:18:32 AM »
Hay guys,
My wife and I live off the grid here in CO but a few years ago I figured if the SHTF I diden't want to be four hours west of the crap hole of Denver,
Mostly the low lifes found on Colfax ave and Federal.
We bought 10 acres in North western MT 12 years ago and hope to resettle soon.
here we are putting up 60 lbs of elk brats last fall.
I relized after moving here from my famley farm in Northern VT(had to leave the because of the lip wristed flat landers moving in) that by god I wasen't going to be dependent of a power grid.




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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2009, 05:26:37 AM »
I forgote to add,
The book
Patriots is a good read.
He states the ID and MT are the best states to be in when trouble comes.

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2009, 06:39:22 AM »
One place I'd consider if you don't mind bad winters is the Upper Penninsula of Michigan.  Heavily wooded land can be had for well under 1K per acre.  It's not uncommon to drive for miles and miles without seeing signs of another human.  There are enough animals and great lakes around that food & water shouldn't be a big issue.

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2009, 12:08:05 AM »
TEXAS!
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2009, 04:20:47 AM »
North Alabama or North Georgia Mountains, Conserverative folks, Favorable gun laws, Plenty of game, Lots of good water, Mild winters.  Most folks in this area are friendly, but mind their own business.
Prices for land are fairly reasonable.
(There are quite a few 'Hunting Cabins' in the Mt. that are 'Off the grid' and were built w/o prying eyes, or someone saying "You can't do that"...  I know of one that's built at the entrance to a small cave, a door to the cave is open in the summer for natural cooling, shut in the winter for obvious reasons.)

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2009, 04:16:22 AM »
  This seems to be the topic on a lot of forums these days...  I've traveled around a bit, and even lived in Alaska for quite a while.  For my choise, i picked the upper mid west, and it's been a great place for me.

  I don't have to put up with the bugs, poisionous snakes, poisionous spiders and oppressive heat of the south.  It's not nearly as cold as the far north, and we have GREAT soil and a good growing season, good hunting and good fishing...  There's plenty of cheap wood for lumber and winter heat, and i have all the clean water anyone could ever use.  You can live off grid here if you want too, all the Amish do it, and food prices aren't all that bad either...

  I'm glad it gets "just cold enough" here to keep all the above negatives out, and to give us 4 seasons...

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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2009, 04:20:39 AM »
For my choise, i picked the upper mid west, and it's been a great place for me.

What state exactly?

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« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2009, 06:02:52 PM »
About as close as most realy ever get to off the grid living is iether live out of a mobile home or vw bus moving from place to place non stop for life...(if your a hippie) or to live on private property off somewhere in the back 40 of there lot, build a log cabin or park a trailer, harvest what food they can when they can but still need to make trips back to civilization for supplys,medical, tools, ect. I have the dream too... Its alot of work but people do it.

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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2009, 09:08:42 AM »
[quote author=Lokie link=topic=161347.msg1098832435#msg1098832435 date=124473351
here we are putting up 60 lbs of elk brats last fall.
I relized after moving here from my famley farm in Northern VT(had to leave the because of the lip wristed flat landers moving in) that by god I wasen't going to be dependent of a power grid.

Whos a cranking or peddling that stuffer-grinder iffin yer off grid?
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« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2009, 11:14:39 PM »
 Many bash CA (and with good cause in some cases), but there's a reason that many of the CA native tribes never became as advanced as others to the North and East; they didn't have to. Mild climate has its advantages if one wants to live comfortable and simple.

 My Wife's Great Grandparents settled in Eastern San Diego County around 1900. Much of her extended family still lives there. If I know any people who could step off the grid and go back 100 years, it would be them. They still barter and help eachother out on their ranches/farms.

 People see San Francisco and LA in the news, but some don't realise that we have our share of rural folk who want to stay far away from what our state has become as far as politics and culture go. Most I've known just ignore it (as much as possible) and go about their business.
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« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2009, 03:09:12 AM »
Many bash CA (and with good cause in some cases), but there's a reason that many of the CA native tribes never became as advanced as others to the North and East; they didn't have to. Mild climate has its advantages if one wants to live comfortable and simple.



  Well, if the state was STILL like it was when native tribes ruled there, i'v move there too...  It's waaaaaay to restrictive, and expensive of a place to live now.

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« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2009, 09:39:03 PM »
Many bash CA (and with good cause in some cases), but there's a reason that many of the CA native tribes never became as advanced as others to the North and East; they didn't have to. Mild climate has its advantages if one wants to live comfortable and simple.



  Well, if the state was STILL like it was when native tribes ruled there, i'v move there too...  It's waaaaaay to restrictive, and expensive of a place to live now.

  DM

 It's restrictive in some ways, but I'd say that freezing/baking/humid is a pretty restricted way to live too. Expensive? Depends on your particular situation I guess. I couldn't make near the same wages anywhere else. Last year I paid a total of ~$160 to heat my home (heater is shut off March - October) and don't need AC.
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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2009, 04:05:28 AM »
Many bash CA (and with good cause in some cases), but there's a reason that many of the CA native tribes never became as advanced as others to the North and East; they didn't have to. Mild climate has its advantages if one wants to live comfortable and simple.



  Well, if the state was STILL like it was when native tribes ruled there, i'v move there too...  It's waaaaaay to restrictive, and expensive of a place to live now.

  DM

 It's restrictive in some ways, but I'd say that freezing/baking/humid is a pretty restricted way to live too. Expensive? Depends on your particular situation I guess. I couldn't make near the same wages anywhere else. Last year I paid a total of ~$160 to heat my home (heater is shut off March - October) and don't need AC.

  How about the REAL expenses of living...  How much is land per acre?  Taxes?  Gas?  Food? And how about the cost of insurance, and plates for your car's?  Those are things that don't go away, and rarely go down.  How about the weapons that are banned there?  Ammo that's banned there?

  I call ALL of that a LOT worse than a few months of cold weather.

  DM

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« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2009, 01:18:17 AM »
Many bash CA (and with good cause in some cases), but there's a reason that many of the CA native tribes never became as advanced as others to the North and East; they didn't have to. Mild climate has its advantages if one wants to live comfortable and simple.



  Well, if the state was STILL like it was when native tribes ruled there, i'v move there too...  It's waaaaaay to restrictive, and expensive of a place to live now.

  DM

 It's restrictive in some ways, but I'd say that freezing/baking/humid is a pretty restricted way to live too. Expensive? Depends on your particular situation I guess. I couldn't make near the same wages anywhere else. Last year I paid a total of ~$160 to heat my home (heater is shut off March - October) and don't need AC.

  How about the REAL expenses of living...  How much is land per acre?  Taxes?  Gas?  Food? And how about the cost of insurance, and plates for your car's?  Those are things that don't go away, and rarely go down.  How about the weapons that are banned there?  Ammo that's banned there?

  I call ALL of that a LOT worse than a few months of cold weather.

  DM

 Yeah, some things are more expensive here. I could move to a state where some of the items you mentioned might cost 50% less. I'd also make 50% less money out of state for everything I'd have to pay for, so it's all relative.

 As far as weapons go, the laws are not ideal. I've never had anything I've owned banned over the past 30 years though. Not many kinds of ammo are illegal statewide other than tracers. There are plenty of counties here where CCW permits are easy to obtain, and you can own a black powder cannon big enough to shoot water heaters if you want one (with no restrictions).

 I think it's a good trade-off for not having to shovel my driveway or bake with bloodsucking insects much of the year, but YMMV.

 Most folks outside of the big cities (and many IN the cities) here are very conservative, but you'll never see it from the liberal media.
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Re: Best state/location for self-sustainability?
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« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2009, 06:54:16 PM »
The Oklahoma and/or Texas Panhandle.  Small self-sufficient communities with a lot of local livestock, grains, general farm and ranching.  Good soil, worlds biggest aquifer (Ogallala), developed natural gas and oil. Easier to defend because of long flat treeless geography.  A lot of artificial resevoirs.  Away from large populations.  Conservative Population tends to be close-knit and very well armed.  Windmills for water already in place along with more and more wind generators.  Reasonable medical facilities.

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« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2009, 06:57:41 PM »
Oh yeah.  Land is $300-500/acre.  Many small towns you can get a nice 3-4 bedroom house for less than 50K.  Winters cold but much milder than CO, WY, and especially MT.