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Offline rickt300

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Bad Remington cases
« on: January 10, 2009, 07:57:01 AM »
lot # G58115204.  I have found 5 cases out of 17 in one box of factory ammo that the punch that forms the primer pocket did not go to the bottom of said pocket, more like half way. I bought 4 boxes of this ammo in the same lot. As factory ammo they all functioned perfectly out of my Remington 7400 but I won't reload the cases of course but I have reloaded the cases that were formed properly.  Should I send all tha remaining ammo back along with the poorly formed cases?
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2009, 08:27:19 AM »
Not sure I understand, so just a question or two to make sure. Was this just empty new brass or loaded factory ammo and you shot it then found the problem while getting ready to reload it?
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2009, 08:31:18 AM »
Well he!! me bad, just reread it and seems it was factory ammo, so yes I would contact them and give the lot number so they are aware of it. And who knows, they may send you a box or two to replace them. ;)
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2009, 11:27:58 AM »
"...5 cases out of 17 in one box of factory ammo that the punch that forms the primer pocket did not go to the bottom of said pocket, more like half way. "   "...they all functioned perfectly out of my Remington 7400 ..."

Well, I'm still puzzled.  Are you saying Remington made and loaded a box of ammo, the primers were all in place, they all fired perfectly but you are now finding the primer pockets of five are only 'half way" formed and the bottiom didn't go to the bottom?  That just don't seem possible, what am I missing?   

And, what would you hope Remington might do?  ???
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2009, 04:34:16 AM »
Not knowin exactly how cases are made this is what I think. The cases are formed on a form of punch press and probably one of the last operations the primer pocket is reamed. Well the reamer only went in half way leaving a small step. The primer was then seated fully. I don't plan on seating any primers in those cases as my method is a bit more personal than Remingtons.
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2009, 05:19:55 AM »
Are you saying that the primer pocket is only drilled to half depth? If you were to try to seat a new primer, they would stick out past the case head?
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2009, 05:54:45 AM »
If you attempt to force the primer in you will likely cause missfires as you can move the anvil. Common with new re-loaders and hand or "seat by feel" primer seaters.

I'm still at a loss here. If the pockets where not right (Read primer didn't fit) its unlikely the round would have fired... Obviously or so it seems you DID fire these and found this problem out upon resizing/depriming.

 Could you post pics or send them to me if your unable to post and I'll post for you...

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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2009, 06:17:21 AM »
Longshot,

     That is sort of what I was thinking, there would have been a gross headspace problem with the primers from the factory loads sticking out if I get this corectly.
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 05:52:08 AM »
I found Remingtons address to send their ammo to be "evaluted and tested". I guess I pay shipping. Let me explain further. in one operation the primer pocket is formed to depth and to .204 diameter in a punch press, then it is reamed to .209. The reamer only went in half way so there is a step from .209 to .204 halfway into the primer pocket. The factory primer was then seated to normal depth which must have squeezed the botom half of the primer down to the smallet diameter.
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 06:16:33 AM »
A little off topic but similar in that I once experienced something like this in a box of Federal 44 Mag ammo.
Right smack in the middle of the box was one 41 Mag round.   Doink!!!

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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 06:47:43 AM »
Even farther off topic, I once bought a bulk bag Winchester 300WSM brass.  One case was headstamped and sized for 243WSSM.  It didn't have enough brass to form a neck when the manufacturer expanded it over the findal 300WSM forming die.  I sent it back to Winchester and never heard a word from them. 

I assume the machine operator ran 243WSSM, then set the machine up to run 300WSM without purging the last piece of 243WSSM brass stock from the machine.
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 01:05:18 PM »
A couple years back I bought some 6MM Remington ammo that was marked 100 grain PSPCL on the box but the rounds inside were 80 grain PSP's.
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 02:20:49 PM »
Rick, Remington probably wont do anything, save yourself time and trouble by just taking a reamer or swage and correcting the 5 cases and anymore you might find.
I know it ticks you off but not much is perfect anymore, if it ever was.
Different ammo from what the box says is often from customers thinking they have to look at all the cartridges and sometime get them back in the wrong boxes.  Most manufacturers are now gluing the boxes closed because of this.  I bet somewhere in that store there is a box that says 80 grs. that has 100 grs. rnds. in it.  and a box of .41s with one .44 mag.
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Re: Bad Remington cases
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2009, 05:55:37 PM »
You can buy a primer pocket uniformer from Sinclair and clean up all of the brass. It's a handy piece of hardware anyway - easy to use with a cordless drill motor.
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