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Hey Fazak!  Your buddy the messiah included some pretty strong saber-rattling against terrorists in his coronation speech yesterday. I would guess that you're right now headed down to the Marine or Army recruiters to sign right up and back your boy???  You and that maggot from my state, Howard (the coward) Dean?  Nah, didn't think so. More fun to sit on your ass and write postings still bashing Bush, or scheming the next gay-marriage protest. Who is going to be the manpower that backs BHO's statements about hunting down and outlasting our enemies?  I can't see too many volunteers re-enlisting these days. 

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Hey Fazak!  Your buddy the messiah included some pretty strong saber-rattling against terrorists in his coronation speech yesterday. I would guess that you're right now headed down to the Marine or Army recruiters to sign right up and back your boy???  You and that maggot from my state, Howard (the coward) Dean?  Nah, didn't think so. More fun to sit on your ass and write postings still bashing Bush, or scheming the next gay-marriage protest. Who is going to be the manpower that backs BHO's statements about hunting down and outlasting our enemies?  I can't see too many volunteers re-enlisting these days. 

You might want to read back through the thread and see where I noted the Democrat presidents who initiated conscription.

As for the lack of military volunteers,..can't say that I blame anyone who doesn't want to serve in the military under our current form of government.

Those who are in now have been abused pretty badly by the Bush administration and I see no substantial change in sight from the Obama administration.

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All volunteers that's whats in our military at this time. Excuse me, that means they want to be there. It means that they believe that they are indeed serving their country.

It is simply amazing that some would have you believe that they are ignorant slaves, indoctrinated, and somehow unaware that they are so stupid as to want to serve and risk their lives for their country.

Its like how the media played over and over the heartbreak and anger of the mother of the dead soldier on TV month after month. She was against the war and hated everything the military stood for. SO! What! It was her Son that died and it was her son who was a volunteer willing to sacrifice his life and sadly did. It does not matter what she thinks nor anyone else.  She brought shame to the memory of her son and anyone who tried to exploit his death for their own beliefs. He died a hero, regardless of how he died, and he died doing what he wanted to do and for that WE ALL owe him the honor of respecting that he was doing what he felt was right.

The present volunteer services are indeed the best way to fill the ranks, all there because they want to be. However, if the situation demands more men and women, in arms a draft may be necessary and should be required of all able bodied persons.

 I remember reading that the US had some several hundred thousand or so men in the army in 1916 and shortly after we started to mobilize for WWI we had grown to 4 million men under arms.

Same to say about WWII except the number would be even greater. Without the draft we would have definitely lost WWII and this little discussion would not be needed. Most men were in fact draftees in all wars many were not happy at all about serving. Yet, they did so and fought and died in places not remembered.

It was the Democrats that took apart the 600 ship Navy and closed base after base in the US and abroad. They continually downsized our military forces and put us in the shape we are in.

I do not have to be told about the draft dodgers of Vietnam and the Jane Fonda types, most were just YELLOW to the point that they wrapped their coward asses in the anti war movement. I do not need to be told about the ones who were favored with questionable deferments while those less fortunate or blessed were called to fight in a war when they really would have preferred to stay home. A lot of those men and women died over there serving just the same. They were hero's each and everyone of them, black white or brown.

I am sure every war has had those "Fortunate Ones". If a draft is instituted at any time in the future I will support it and I hope that there will be a way to stop that BS practice, however, I bet there will still be a way to avoid service for those more fortunate.

I have faith that anyone called or at least the vast majority that would be drafted will serve and fight our enemies where and when asked. If necessary they will die defending this nation and I am sure they would have rather not been there.

To those that do not believe that a draft should never be activated under any circumstance, I say you really need to read more of your history, you really need to study the enemies that we have faced.

Give carefull thought as to what would have happened to your great grandparents, Grandparents and your parents had we lost to any of them. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN EXISTED to have this discussion.

I have studied extensively for over 30 years WWI and WWII and you do not have to dig very deeply to get a real understanding of what the JAPS or GERMANS would have done to the Military POWS and or the civilian population of the US had they won. Those not taken to the nearest pit to be shot would have died in labor camps in a very short time.

Each and every person that lives in this great country and enjoys the freedoms that she offers has a moral duty to serve her in time of peril in any way they can.

Those that do not want to can pack up and go to the great country of their choice. I am sure they would find great freedoms, maybe France, Iraq,  or Pakistan would welcome you with open arms as a great friend.

Well just my 2 cents ...



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Hey Redtail, as i recall there were many people in Germany that did not support the Nazi party or Hitler. If they had the freedom to refuse military service would'nt that have made Germany weaker, maybe more easier to defeat or even incapable of starting the war?

What if someday america was tricked into electing a bad leader and they used some catastrophy to incite a war. Their intensions were to bring us into war for thier profit or somthing more sinister. Could you see that ever happening?


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What if someday america was tricked into electing a bad leader and they used some catastrophy to incite a war. Their intensions were to bring us into war for thier profit or somthing more sinister. Could you see that ever happening?

NO!  NEVER!!! ::)

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Hey Redtail, as i recall there were many people in Germany that did not support the Nazi party or Hitler. If they had the freedom to refuse military service would'nt that have made Germany weaker, maybe more easier to defeat or even incapable of starting the war?

What if someday america was tricked into electing a bad leader and they used some catastrophy to incite a war. Their intensions were to bring us into war for thier profit or somthing more sinister. Could you see that ever happening?


  like Bush did.

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REDTAIL. Well said and all true. There will always be freeloaders in every nation. Those who reap the benefits of America, and never appreciating any of it. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Hey Redtail, as i recall there were many people in Germany that did not support the Nazi party or Hitler. If they had the freedom to refuse military service would'nt that have made Germany weaker, maybe more easier to defeat or even incapable of starting the war?

What if someday america was tricked into electing a bad leader and they used some catastrophy to incite a war. Their intensions were to bring us into war for thier profit or somthing more sinister. Could you see that ever happening?



  like Bush did.

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Hey Fazak!  Your buddy the messiah included some pretty strong saber-rattling against terrorists in his coronation speech yesterday. I would guess that you're right now headed down to the Marine or Army recruiters to sign right up and back your boy???  You and that maggot from my state, Howard (the coward) Dean?  Nah, didn't think so. More fun to sit on your ass and write postings still bashing Bush, or scheming the next gay-marriage protest. Who is going to be the manpower that backs BHO's statements about hunting down and outlasting our enemies?  I can't see too many volunteers re-enlisting these days. 

You might want to read back through the thread and see where I noted the Democrat presidents who initiated conscription.

As for the lack of military volunteers,..can't say that I blame anyone who doesn't want to serve in the military under our current form of government.

Those who are in now have been abused pretty badly by the Bush administration and I see no substantial change in sight from the Obama administration.



 HMMM, Both of my children volunteered to be in the Minnesota National Guard at 17.  Some of the parasites in America need to have a talk with my very petite 17 year old daughter. She would not be afraid to tell them about service to their country and God. It is pretty sad that a 17 year old child gets it and grown adults are still crying for theirs.

 Herin lies the biggest problem in America, the parasites that live off the blood of our soldiers. You never hear the people that actually served and did something for America out crying about this or that being their right. What the parasites don't understand is some people actually fought for those rights and don't wear them on their sleeve like some gaudy patch.
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Hey Fazak!  Your buddy the messiah included some pretty strong saber-rattling against terrorists in his coronation speech yesterday. I would guess that you're right now headed down to the Marine or Army recruiters to sign right up and back your boy???  You and that maggot from my state, Howard (the coward) Dean?  Nah, didn't think so. More fun to sit on your ass and write postings still bashing Bush, or scheming the next gay-marriage protest. Who is going to be the manpower that backs BHO's statements about hunting down and outlasting our enemies?  I can't see too many volunteers re-enlisting these days. 

You might want to read back through the thread and see where I noted the Democrat presidents who initiated conscription.

As for the lack of military volunteers,..can't say that I blame anyone who doesn't want to serve in the military under our current form of government.

Those who are in now have been abused pretty badly by the Bush administration and I see no substantial change in sight from the Obama administration.



  What the parasites don't understand is some people actually fought for those rights and don't wear them on their sleeve like some gaudy patch.

No American's rights were at risk from WW1

I'll allow that America had reason to fight the war in the Pacific during WW2. It's debatable whether any American's rights were at risk from the war in Europe during that time.

No American's rights were at risk from Korea.

No American's rights were at risk from Vietnam.

No American's rights were at risk from Iraq.

The American government embarked on an empire building mission after WW2 and it continues to today,...but no military action that the American government has engaged in since WW2 has had anything to do with protecting the rights of Americans.

It sounds noble to say so,..but it's a falsehood.

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I think  2 years service should be required of every american right out of high school no deferments no exclusions for any able bodied american i do believe you would see a different attitude devlope in this country.
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I'm sure the Obama administration will be happy to see that so many members and their families on this board are willing to join the military under any circumstance and without ever questioning anything.  And i see nobody had a response to the first part of my last post. Youre all such good subjects.

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I have an even better idea.  Only those who have served, can vote.


Why stop there??  We could also add land ownership requirements and literacy requirements.  Then we could revert back to dis-allowing women, blacks, and native americans the right to vote.  I'm sure the supreme court won't mind reversing all of its previous rulings on the rights of suffrage.

Oh, and there is a name for a country controlled exclusively by the military.  Its called a Military Junta.  I'm sure the Libyans love this type of government.


Would you say this country is better off now than it was 50-75 years ago?  I wouldn't



Well! 75 years ago (1934) We were in the middle of the great depression...Not a very good time for most folks!

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I'm sure the Obama administration will be happy to see that so many members and their families on this board are willing to join the military under any circumstance and without ever questioning anything.  And i see nobody had a response to the first part of my last post. Youre all such good subjects.

Well Maggot, people in the military question things just as much if not more than people like you.  Trust me, people in our military are just as discerning, intelligent, sensitive, inquisitive, and educated as anyone else in this wonderful country.  They also have a higher sense of purpose, honor, bravery, and loyalty than you might be able to understand.  They are not subjects, and you shouldn't insult them by referring to them in that way. 

As far as the first part of your previous post goes: people may have responses to it, but nobody posted a response to it.  My response was that your previous post wasn't worth responding to.  It was based on a supposition that did not and could not exist.

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I wrote a response that was lost in cyber space as i set my log on for 1 hour and when I tried to post it it was lost. Probably just as well as I was really really mad when i wrote it.

So here is the short version with a much cooler head.

Please study just a little and you will quickly find out the difference in our country and that of Adolf Hitler. one of the quick points is our system of elections compared to those used by the Nazi Party. Another small item to ponder is the Americans right to keep and bear arms. We might imprison those that refuse to serve under certain conditions while Hitler and his goons shot those that refused and in some cases their family.

Just read a few good books and you will see a big difference.

A far as wars for our interest, what is the matter with you, Christ! Again, read a few good history books and you will understand that our interest was our survival. We realized that to let all of Europe fall in both WWI and WWII and Asia in WWII, would have left us the next one to fall. We joined in while we had allies that still survived. It is no doubt that if we had not we would have fallen to the Nazis' and their allies. Along with a few stupid mistakes such as Germany attacking their then ally Russia. (WWII) were just some of the reasons we won. Those Russians, that we love to hate, sacrificed more than any other in defeating the Nazis. The slaughter of those wars is beyond human comprehension.

Our present day soldiers are the best on fields of battle anywhere in the world. Their courage and their sacrifice keeps you in your spandex suit, cycling freely through out this land. It even lets you have your misinformed ideas as to why we fight and even spew it out as the truth.

This is America and I am as proud as I can be of being an American. I love this country and I will lay down my life for what she stands for.

Go to your nearest Veterans Cemetery and spend the day reading the tombstones and take time to really look over to endless waves of crosses. Think of all those young men and women that lay beneath them. They gave their lives for a cause bigger that they, so that people like you could in fact have the freedom to be critical of them.

Anyone who questions the honor of their death, or their memory, should be ashamed.


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 Redtail, no need to try to explain service to God and ones country to the liberal parasites. They have no morals or solid beliefs, only a foundation in ideals and theories. They have nothing solid upon which to base their beliefs only feelings. Discussing things of substance and fact are a waste of time with liberals, their whole basis in life is based on lies and deceit.

 There are people who actually do something in life, they are called conservatives, on the other side of the coin we have people who are nothing but parasites on society, they are called liberals.

 Enough said.
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I respect the generation of people who lived and served in WWII more than any other. That was a valid war and totally justified. I would much rather have lived then than now. The problem with many of you here is that you only see society in terms of left and right, conservative and liberal. When in fact you have two other directions to go, up(freedom) down(stateism/authoritarian). The extreme right is just as oppressive as the extreme left. The Republican party as of Bush Senior went from Reagan/founding father conservatism to neoconservatism which calls for more government spending(bush outspent clinton) more government authority(patriot act). Socialism is not only a trait of the left, but also of the extreme right. I guarantee i am more fiscally conservative than most anybody here. Take the quiz below, it will place you on a political map.


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If...thats a mighty big word.

Fact is the vast majority of the germans including jews at the begining supported the Nazis and as time elapsed the jews certainly did not. The fact was they did not have the choice.

A great many Americans were against both World Wars, hell the Nazi Party had a big following in all the major cities of the U.S. However, when war came the vast majority of Americans do what Americans havbe done since the Revolution, we volunteered in masses and when the need s were seen to be so great we drafted to fill the ranks. It was the duty of all able bodies men to serve and fight and die if called upon. There is no choice nor should there be if the Nation is in peril.

Here in America the Concientous Objector Status was recognized to allow service in a non combatant role for the first time in World War II. As a matter of factr one of our Medal of Honor Winners was just such a man. His name was Desmond T. Doss and his story is nothing short of unbelieveable as well as inspiring. I urge you to read about him as a matter of fact there is a PBS Show about his life. Truely a brave American who sought to serve his country as he believed he should yet not kill as his religious beliefs forbade him.

Here is a small unassuming man with the courage of a lion who chose to serve rather than hide and did so with honor. Read his story it should be required in all schools rather than all this we are all the same crap.

Just by the way you write I know that you do not know the history of your own country nor the history of the wars we have fought both those that had support and those that did not.

Make no mistake about it there are people that will kill you and your family if they can, any American if they can. They are our enemy and we must take them on where ever they are.

You need to be thankfull that there are young men and women ready to fight and possibly die to allow you the freedom to complain.


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I see no point in arguing any more. I speak now only to those people who think freely. It is obvious that our friends here that share our love of the outdoors and right to bear arms have been thoroughly programed. I sometimes get very depressed thinking about those people who i know are good and God fearing can so blindly accept anything that they are told. Patriotism as it exists today for the most part is a plague, a form of idolatry i think. If the founding father's were around today they would start organizing the next revolution. I hope there is some scenario or circumstance in which these people might object.

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REDTAIL. Again, good posts.
maggot. If our founding fathers were here they would seal our borders, something thats needed done for many years. They would see islam for the very real threat it is and treat it as the cancer it is. They would fight the Godless ones wherever they found them. Mosques in America would not exist and the muslims would be rounded up and shipped out to the Godless nation of their choice. ALL schools would start their day with prayer and the pledge of allegiance would be said by all. There would be no A nti C hristian L iars U nion either. God would once  again be held in high regard and the ten commandments would be proudly displayed in our schools and court rooms. Like it or not, we are in a war, islam against the world. We can either fight the Godless cancer where they are found, instead of here, or do nothing and let the cancer grow til we are consumed by it and die. I say we need  to fight it. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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ALL schools would start their day with prayer and the pledge of allegiance would be said by all.

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931).

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fazak. Do you live in the United States???? Your profile shows nothing. POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
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I respect the generation of people who lived and served in WWII more than any other. That was a valid war and totally justified. I would much rather have lived then than now. The problem with many of you here is that you only see society in terms of left and right, conservative and liberal. When in fact you have two other directions to go, up(freedom) down(stateism/authoritarian). The extreme right is just as oppressive as the extreme left. The Republican party as of Bush Senior went from Reagan/founding father conservatism to neoconservatism which calls for more government spending(bush outspent clinton) more government authority(patriot act). Socialism is not only a trait of the left, but also of the extreme right. I guarantee i am more fiscally conservative than most anybody here. Take the quiz below, it will place you on a political map.


http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I took that test. Here are my results. Dale
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I respect the generation of people who lived and served in WWII more than any other. That was a valid war and totally justified. I would much rather have lived then than now. The problem with many of you here is that you only see society in terms of left and right, conservative and liberal. When in fact you have two other directions to go, up(freedom) down(stateism/authoritarian). The extreme right is just as oppressive as the extreme left. The Republican party as of Bush Senior went from Reagan/founding father conservatism to neoconservatism which calls for more government spending(bush outspent clinton) more government authority(patriot act). Socialism is not only a trait of the left, but also of the extreme right. I guarantee i am more fiscally conservative than most anybody here. Take the quiz below, it will place you on a political map.


http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I took that test. Here are my results. Dale
Not sure what it means though. Dale
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It means that your a centrist or moderate. Their is a slight left lean but nothing you should worry about. You have a pretty balanced point of view regarding personal liberties i would guess. I would like to see more people score toward the libertarian side. There are other maps that make it abit clearer, I'll try to get some on.

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OK. Thanks Dale
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I took the survey also. I am a couple squares to the right of the centerline and a couple squares up.
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Reckon I must be pretty close to a centerist.


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