Author Topic: 35 rem. (Read 2174 times)

billy · « **on:** January 14, 2009, 04:44:48 PM »

Is the 35 rem. in 200 core lokt a good 150 yard gun?

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2009, 05:24:47 PM »

Yeah easily that perhaps a bit more. Long years ago I had a TC with 14" barrel and it really got within about 50-75 fps or the same velocity as from a 20" barrel rifle. I sighted in as best as I can recall around 2.5" to 3" high at 100 yards and shot it at 250 yards. Wow was that an eye opener. I've forgotten precisely how much it was low but I'm thinking on the order of 15" to 18" at least. My 7-30 sighted the same way drop more than a foot less.

BBF · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2009, 06:18:40 PM »

250 yards is pushing it IMO. However with that LE ammo it might not be all that unrealistic

billy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2009, 01:04:55 AM »

Thanks fellows, i got a 336 in 35 rem.and looking at what to try in it.

Skunk · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2009, 04:31:18 AM »

Hey Billy, you're just buying up a whole bunch of nice rifles. Congratulations.

billy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2009, 02:01:17 PM »

Thanks Skunk,been lucky i guess ,also looking at a Remington model 721 in 270 ,i like it but not sure if i need to buy it.T he rifle is in very good condition might be able to get it for 250.00.

Blowtorch53 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2009, 05:52:24 AM »

Billy,

The .35 Remington in my 336 is easily a 150 yard gun. The 721 sounds like a good deal so you ought to get both of them. I assume you mean the 200 grain factory loads in the .35. The trajectory and velocity can be improved somewhat with handloading or with the LE ammo., but 175 to 200 yards is a long shot. The beauty of it is the nice lever gun handling. Mine is VERY accurate with a scope. The .270 is in a different class and can't really be compared to the .35. Both are great but they are very different. It depends on what you want to do.

Just my 2 cents. Here's mine.

BT53

BBF · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2009, 06:29:29 AM »

Blowtorch:
That is a classy rifle so..... dang it, I hate to say.......but.... .. that scope is a bit.........overpowering imo

rickt300 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2009, 09:39:32 AM »

If the one I got off Gunbroker is tapped for a scope I will put one on it, I hunt hogs at night and a scope is the best sighting equipment sadly. If not I'll put a peep sight on it as they are easier to use at night than the open rear sight.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2009, 01:03:49 PM »

Have you tryed a red-dot sight for night hunting? DP

rickt300 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2009, 02:44:02 PM »

I haven't hunted with a red dot at night but that could be an answer too.

dgreen · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2009, 03:36:37 PM »

To me one of the key secrets of the 35 rem is the 200gr core-loct. It's ability to expand and penetrate on deer seems to be exceptional. If you handload the 35, the improved velocity, I feel extend it well past the 150yds pushing 200yds. Biggest problem is having the skill to consistently make good hits. My longest deer kill ever has been with the 35 rem, alittle over 175 yds, lung shot 8pt buck, bullet went thru and thru exit was about the size of a silver dollar. Next day after this, I got my first 2 for1 at about 125 yds, doe and yearling. Hit mom first and then the kid, went clear thru both of them. So, my suggestion is get a real clear 4x scope and practice. Come season look-out cause you're going to kill some game!!!!

Blowtorch53 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2009, 07:23:06 AM »

RPzB,

You are right about the scope. It is a little much to look at. It was a cheap scope and all I had in my shop at the time. It shot so well I hated to take it off! A compact would be better. None would be even better but then I couldn't hit anything since I'm old and deaf in the eyes.

Thanks,

DT

Old Fart · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2009, 02:56:41 PM »

Quote from: Blowtorch53 on January 20, 2009, 07:23:06 AM

None would be even better but then I couldn't hit anything since I'm old and deaf in the eyes.

Ditto that!
The 336 35 Rem I've got came with a 3-9 variable on it.
Seemed a bit of an overkill.
But I can crank it down to a useable magnification.

OF

bearmgc · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2009, 06:44:43 PM »

I have a Marlin Texan in 35rem with a Burris compact on it and it does fine with factory Win 200grainers. Its definitely a keeper. It rivals my Marlin 375win for a deer getter.

billy · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:13:13 AM »

Well Skunk ,i didn,t get the 721 but i put a burris timberline compact 2x7x26 on my 35 Rem. Hope it shoots ok with 200 grain core-lokt,going to make this my brush rifle.

Skunk · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:44:34 AM »

Hey, that sounds good Billy. Now we need a picture of that Marlin and your M70 together. We'll call the picture - The Best of Both Worlds. Too bad about the 721. That would have been a real sweet deal for $250 on an old relic like that.

BBF · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2009, 03:44:14 AM »

Billy:
I used to load my 35 Rem with Speer bullets, both the 180 and 220 gr FN. If you handload I can recommend both. I ended up using the 220 more often because we had moose in our area. The 180 gr is a HotCor bullet and will do an excellent job. Below is a trajectory setup for the 200 gr Rem factory load and a 180 gr Speer load.

Using 2080 fps as the listed Rem factory specs.

YARDS
50 100 150 175 200
+1.6" +2.3" X -2.5" -6.0" just about 900 ftlb left @200

Using 2200 fps as listed in Speer Manual as top loads for the 180 gr FN

YARDS
50 100 150 175 200
+1.2 +1.8 X -2.0 -4.75 with over 1000ftlb of energy left at 200 yards.

That 100 yard number is so close to 2" I would just use that.

To be fair to all ammo makers, the WW Powerpoints or Federal loads are equally useful. The WW and Feds have a slightly higher muzzle velocity then the Rems.

Decisions Decisions

rickt300 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2009, 06:11:36 AM »

Some how I got on a 35 Remington track. I bought a 14 inch barrel for my Contender and a 35 Remington Marlin. I loaded some shells for my Contender that is scoped with a 2x6 Bushnell Trophy using Remington 200 gr. RNCL's on top of 38.5 grains of AA 2520 and got a very accurate load. I sighted it 1 inch high at 50 yards but haven't shot it at 100 yards yet. The Marlin carbine got a Williams 5D peep sight and a Ted Cash front sight which works out to be a square post after I paited it flat brown. I sighted it 1 inch high at 50 yards also with Remington factory loads. I haven't got my 35 Remington dies yet so I can't load for the Marlin. I used 358 Winchester dies for the Contender but as there is no way to crimp with them as the die body is too long I can't use them for the Marlin. I plan on loading the carbine up to 2200 fps using the 200 gr. RNCL when the dies get here. Factory level loads are just fine in the Contender, recoil is about as much as I want to fool with.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2009, 03:31:54 PM »

Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
2225/2198 1963/1711 1721/1315 1503/1003

Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle 100 yd 200 yd 300 yd 400 yd 500 yd
-1.7 3.0 -1.3 -17.5

This is Hornady's ballistics for the 200 gr gummie

To me it has the energy for a 200 yd shot, I haven't shot farther than 100 with mine. But at 100 it is deadly.

BBF · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:12:03 AM »

Rickt300!!
That velocity level for a 200 gr bullet is almost 200 fps faster then top loads listed. I would be careful !! The rifle would be OK I think, not so sure how the brass would handle it.

BBF · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:22:00 AM »

Oldshooter:
That MV for a 200 gr bullet is high compared to other 200 gr. factory loads. I think Hdy is using some to the handloader unavailable powder.

The only load I can find in my manuals that comes somewhat close(2139fps) is from a Hodgdon publication that uses Varget and a 24" barrel.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:35:56 AM »

Cant testify as to how they do it, and have not crono'd it myself, but that is st8 from the site.

Just starting to reload for the 35 so I'm not sure what powder i will use but as far as performance i hope i can at least duplicate the Factory hornady stuff. It performs very well for me in the field.
I am very open minded about stats and always take them with a grain of salt so to speak. I continue to learn as i go.

223Shooter · « **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2009, 08:49:33 AM »

Oldshooter...I seriously doubt that you will be able to duplicate the Hornaday LE 200gr 35 Rem factory loads (gummies). Hornaday uses their own special powder which is NOT available to the reloading public. There are many powders that are suitable for use with the 35 Rem and the 200gr bullets. I use IMR 3031. It makes for a very accurate load. Have fun.....

Graybeard · « **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2009, 10:11:47 AM »

Quote from: BBF on February 18, 2009, 05:12:03 AM

Rickt300!!
That velocity level for a 200 gr bullet is almost 200 fps faster then top loads listed. I would be careful !! The rifle would be OK I think, not so sure how the brass would handle it.

Simply amazing the misunderstandings and misconceptions folks have about things they know not of. Hornady keeps ALL their ammo within SAAMI specs as do ALL other major ammo makers. Some small outfits don't. They have access to noncannister powder and loading techniques folks like us don't that allows them to get more velocity without more pressure.

But that asside it is perfectly feasible to duplicate those velocities at home without running pressures that will damage the brass. The SAAMI specs for the old round is rather low yet the brass is no weaker than that for belted or unbelted magnum rounds operating at far higher pressures. So the brass isn't the problem it can certainly stand pressures that will allow the .35 Rem to match Hornady's performance BUT you can't do it at home and stay within SAAMI pressures.

Buffalo Bore is loading 220s to that same velocity in this round. Nope it's not within SAAMI pressure limits but to my knowledge has not yet blown up any Marlin rifles.

rickt300 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2009, 03:43:54 AM »

SAAMI pressures were set for the original guns made for the cartridge which were a very primitive autoloader and a not so strong pump rifle. I believe this pressure is set at 33,500 psi. The Marlin rifle commonly handles pressures as high as or higher than 44,000 CUP of the 444 Marlin and the 375 Winchester also chambered in the Marlin 336 action produced 52,000 cup. Even the 30-30 is loaded to 42,000 psi and the design of it's case is nowhere near as good as the 35 Remingtons. You can reach 2200 fps using a 220 grain bullet and not go over the pressure limit given the 30-30. AA2520 is one of the best powders for this because it is not a bulky powder and it's burn rate is almost perfect for the project. IMR 4895 is almost as good. For my hunting in the woods I decided on the 200 grain corelokt at 2200 fps as being all I need for deer and pigs.