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Offline flintlock

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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2009, 11:05:31 AM »
Actually both Hawken brothers made flintlocks in Maryland before they ever went to St Louis...I've also seen photos of full stock flint Hawkens made in St Louis...
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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2009, 11:21:02 AM »
Quote from: flintlock on January 27, 2009, 11:05:31 AM
..I've also seen photos of full stock flint Hawkens made in St Louis...

Not according to the experts.
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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2009, 04:27:52 PM »
Quote from: Swampman on January 27, 2009, 11:21:02 AM
Quote from: flintlock on January 27, 2009, 11:05:31 AM
..I've also seen photos of full stock flint Hawkens made in St Louis...

Not according to the experts.

There is one in the Smithsonian...
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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2009, 11:50:57 PM »
Perhaps, but most experts agree it never was a flint gun.
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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2009, 01:22:17 AM »
If your "ex-spurts" don't know enough to look at a converted flint rifle to know the difference then they aren't as sharp as you give them credit...With 40 years of studying, collecting, writing, building, shooting and giving lectures on these guns I know the difference...It's easy to see that the hand that converted this gun didn't have the skill as the hand that made it originally...

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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2009, 02:35:34 AM »
The barrel came off an older flintlock.  It was used to build a Hawken rifle.  People use it as an excuse to carry an anachronistic reproduction.
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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2009, 09:13:06 AM »
A .54 Rb is 220 gr. of lead even at slow to moderate speeds a moose hit in the slats broadside at resoanble muzzy range will penetrate completely.
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Re: The best .50 or .54 caliber traditional muzzleloader for the money...
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2009, 12:46:49 PM »
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