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6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« on: January 16, 2009, 03:51:04 PM »
Am thinking of going to this cal., possibly in an AR (Stag), but probably a bolt gun. Accuracy and low recoil are plusses, any negatives?

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 04:00:34 PM »
I have this cartridge in a Bushmaster AR15. You are right, it is accurate and low in recoil. The only problen is finding factory ammo at the local hardware store. I bought 2000 rounds of Remington brass and reload like crazy so this is not an issue for me. I bought bulk 130 Corelokt bullets for cheap.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 02:37:52 AM »
    Opinions are like arses, as they say, but here is mine.   As an AR I think this would be a great combination of power and speed, however as a turn bolt rifle I think the round is rather anemic.   The perfect .277 groove diameter, at least to my thinking, would be a 270-08 but alas no such critter exsists in commercail offering, and the next best similar cartridge would be a 7mm08.   The 7-08 offers low recoil and plenty of power to take all but the largest North American game.   BTW, some arms maker is or was offering the 6.8SPC in an AR, though I don't remember what label.   Also the 6.8 upper assemblies are available from various sources and manufacturers.   Good luck on your quest/project.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 04:12:45 AM »
If you're not going to have a 6.8 in an AR platform, there are way to many better options for a bolt action.  A 6.8 in a AR is a great hunting system, but if you buy a bolt gun why not get something where you can find the ammo anywhere like the 308 or whatever.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2009, 04:06:59 PM »
ruger is introducing a compact 77Hawkeye in 7.62x39 and 6.8 for 2009

betwixt those two chamberings I would select the 7.62x39 as it offers what you're looking for as per your OP and the option of $5 a box practice/plinkin ammo

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If you're not going to have a 6.8 in an AR platform, there are way to many better options for a bolt action.  A 6.8 in a AR is a great hunting system, but if you buy a bolt gun why not get something where you can find the ammo anywhere like the 308 or whatever.

now wouldn't that be a boring world where all.....

trucks had the v6
women were a B cup
all whiskey was Jack Daniels
and all bolt guns were 308's


that my friend isn't a world I want to be part of

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 06:42:59 PM »
I have the 6.8 SPC in AR platform.  I LOVE the round it has become my primary rifle.
I have shot deer from 125-175 yards with great results.  The recoil is light enough
that my 7 year old shoots it and is doing great.  he has shot a ram at 75 yards
with out a problem.  I use Silver State Armory ammo from www.midwayusa.com

They have a good selection of ammo at decent prices.

 

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 02:38:02 AM »
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If you're not going to have a 6.8 in an AR platform, there are way to many better options for a bolt action.  A 6.8 in a AR is a great hunting system, but if you buy a bolt gun why not get something where you can find the ammo anywhere like the 308 or whatever.

now wouldn't that be a boring world where all.....

trucks had the v6
women were a B cup
all whiskey was Jack Daniels
and all bolt guns were 308's


that my friend isn't a world I want to be part of

I understand what you're saying about having something a little different.  I've owned AR's in 223, 6.8 & 308 just for that reason.  I ended up selling my 6.8 because I wanted to get setup for longer range shooting and was reading great reviews on DPMS 308's.  The price and availability of 6.8 was very confining.  There isn't much selection to choose from even if you reload.  There's different bullets, but you're likely only going to load rounds from 90gr to 115gr. 

I don't think the world would be too bad if all the whiskey was Jack Daniels.  The others are debateable.  ;D

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 03:32:28 AM »
I'm with those that think the 6.8SPC is best in an AR platform and that there are better options for a bolt gun.  My suggestions would include the following:

.257 Roberts (limited ammo variety, best for reloaders)
.25-06
.260 Rem
7mm-08
.308 Win

All of these are pretty low recoil and will easily outperform the 6.8.  My Roberts is my favorite rifle.  Yesterday I was ringing the 500-yard gong with it at will and 4 of the 6 clay pigeons I set up at the 400-yard line were zapped by the Roberts (the other two were zapped by my .308Win).
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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 05:30:36 PM »
It'll be nice when/if the Manufacturers start mass producing 6.5 Grendal.
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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 06:01:42 PM »
Am thinking of going to this cal., possibly in an AR (Stag), but probably a bolt gun. Accuracy and low recoil are plusses, any negatives?


Get the 6.8 in a bolt rifle and an AR. That would be nice. I shoot 130 grain Corelokt bullets from my 6.8 with great accuracy and low recoil.
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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 08:08:29 AM »
Mine is a T/C Encore 26" barrel.
Pros: great for hunting populated areas, low recoil, quiet, good deer round out to 150yds mabey more, uses very little powder, works in an AR platform, and accurate.
Cons: not what I call a 300yd round, will not match a 243 at 300yds for ft/lbs, trajectory is ok but drops quite a bit past 150yd zero( 13.23" at 300yds )

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2009, 11:25:37 AM »


   Add the 6.5 Swede to the list of better bolt calibers, and change the B cup to C cup on the list of "boring" things, and I would be happy for life. :-)

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2009, 04:40:16 PM »
If you are going to get the 6.8 in an AR, check out the Stags.  I just read a great review.  I think it is their model 7 with the 20.77" barrel.  The author claimed it to be an exceptionally accurate gun.  It would beat a lot of bolt guns.

I love AR's to death, but I would not get one in a bolt gun.  For one, the .270 would blow it out of the water. And, if you wanted to, you could load it down.  Another option, if you wanted to stick with low recoil rounds close to the same caliber, try either the .260 or 7mm-08.  Either one would beat the 6.8, but still give you low recoil.  Just my 2 cents.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2009, 01:21:48 PM »
It'll be nice when/if the Manufacturers start mass producing 6.5 Grendal. 
  Rem has came out witha 30RAR maybe a 260RAR is in the future can't wait, it looks like a PPC case and should match or serpass the GRENDEL!!  Keep an eye out guys!!

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2009, 02:43:33 PM »
This caliber fills a void that does not exist.  Not sure it will last unless the military adopts it.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2009, 02:17:40 AM »
I believe the 6.8 turns the AR15 platform into a realistic deer rifle.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2009, 03:52:06 PM »


   Add the 6.5 Swede to the list of better bolt calibers, and change the B cup to C cup on the list of "boring" things, and I would be happy for life. :-)

Regards,  Mannyrock

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2009, 07:26:07 AM »
I have no qualms with this catridge myself. As an assault weapon round it is light, very aerodynamic, stable, and still can pack a punch. Although being that I own a 6.8 SPC in a Ruger Mini 14 for a year now I do have a few problems with it but only for what it has been advertised to be used for. I used this gun last year in upstate NY for hunting season alternating between my Mini 14, Remington 750 in 35 Whelen, and Remington 1100 Slugmaster 12 GA with Core-lokt ultra bonded sabots. I didn't get the chance to use it on a Whitetail but looking back on the season I would have to say that I would not use it for deer hunting again. First off the round itself is a little small for Whitetail deer being that we average 120lb+ deer (which isn't that great) and traditionally it takes a 7mm+ to effectively and quickly take down these big game. What really put me over the top on this idea was one morning while choosing my weapon of the day I had a slight hint to grab the 12GA as I had not used it that often compared to the other rifles. Long story short I got half-way to my hunting spot at about 5:30 AM and was charged by a 160lb black bear. It was still pretty dark outside and I wasn't able to see the thing until it was 8-10 ft away from me when in came out from the low hanging pine tree lot. Two rounds of 185 gr slug in .9 seconds and another two rounds as the thing tried to get back up. If I had been caught with the 6.8 SPC I'd probably either be dead or voicing this blog over a microphone to an application that translated it to words on my PC. Although to take this story to a lighter side. I was able to take a Coyote with it and it expertly shattered the shoulders dropping the animal where it stood. So all in all great coyote gun not so much of a big gamer catridge.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2009, 07:54:53 AM »
I have no qualms with this catridge myself. As an assault weapon round it is light, very aerodynamic, stable, and still can pack a punch. Although being that I own a 6.8 SPC in a Ruger Mini 14 for a year now I do have a few problems with it but only for what it has been advertised to be used for. I used this gun last year in upstate NY for hunting season alternating between my Mini 14, Remington 750 in 35 Whelen, and Remington 1100 Slugmaster 12 GA with Core-lokt ultra bonded sabots. I didn't get the chance to use it on a Whitetail but looking back on the season I would have to say that I would not use it for deer hunting again. First off the round itself is a little small for Whitetail deer being that we average 120lb+ deer (which isn't that great) and traditionally it takes a 7mm+ to effectively and quickly take down these big game. What really put me over the top on this idea was one morning while choosing my weapon of the day I had a slight hint to grab the 12GA as I had not used it that often compared to the other rifles. Long story short I got half-way to my hunting spot at about 5:30 AM and was charged by a 160lb black bear. It was still pretty dark outside and I wasn't able to see the thing until it was 8-10 ft away from me when in came out from the low hanging pine tree lot. Two rounds of 185 gr slug in .9 seconds and another two rounds as the thing tried to get back up. If I had been caught with the 6.8 SPC I'd probably either be dead or voicing this blog over a microphone to an application that translated it to words on my PC. Although to take this story to a lighter side. I was able to take a Coyote with it and it expertly shattered the shoulders dropping the animal where it stood. So all in all great coyote gun not so much of a big gamer catridge.

Casey


Casey,
    Very interesting story, and two things came to my mind.  A 120 pound deer isn't much bigger than large labrador and I can't see why the 6.8mm would be great for such deer.  The other thing that came to mind, is that hunting deer in bear country changes everything!  There are several people who have taken bear and elk with the 6.8mm, but most were either using the sierra prohunter bulletor the barnes triple shock bullet. 

Personally in bear country I'd carry the rifle loaded with the barnes bullet.  You got two rounds into the bear with a heavy recoiling shotgun and good for you for keeping yourself safe.  In that same amount of time you may have been able to have gotten more rounds into the bear using your 6.8mm.  It's all speculation for me because I wasn't there, but don't count the 6.8mm out when there is some great ammo available especially with the barnes.

***The link below shows dead animals, don't click if it offends you.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2009, 08:03:08 AM »
Interesting link Teddy,

Just goes to show that military rifles eventually become hunting rifles.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2009, 09:25:59 AM »
I have a 6.8 AR as well as a 243, 270 and 308 bolt

my 6.8 is used more than the others (the 243 my son now uses)
I like it because it's light, compact and deadly

I have shot 5 deer and 3 hogs with it, all were perfect one shot kills (same as any of the bolt actions would have been of course)
I load the 110g Barnes TTSX and get sub MOA groupings and 2800 FPS out of an 18" barrel
all shots punch clean through anything I have shot


I called it a 270 short :)

I mainly got it for hogs and walking around deer hunting but I am using it more and more, in fact it gets called into action more than my other guns (a Sako and a Tikka) because if's so much fun, it slings and carrys great, optics are easy to move around on it and should I get into a group of hogs I can take out a few quickly.. (main reason I bought it)

I am seriously considering getting another 16" upper setup with an eotech for stakk hunting and keeping the 18 with a big scope and red light setup for night hog hunting...


if you are going to get one get one from AR15performance.com
they are doing it right.. the right chambering and rate of twist

now, I don't believe it's a magic cartridge, just a great cartridge in a very good package


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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2009, 10:08:17 AM »
Well I have to say the idea of taking bear with a 6.8 is new to me. I have read the story and it is legit, but before I step away from this one for good, I wanted to give everyone here some parting knowledge concerning the mechanics of terminal ballistics.
Rapid death is brought about only by brain death (i.e., the collapse of the central nervous system). Brain death can be caused directly by damaging the brain or upper spinal tissue, or indirectly by depriving it of oxygen. Oxygen deprivation is the result of cardiac arrest or of hemorrhaging which reduces blood pressure or damage that completely shuts off the circulatory function. Thus rapid death is accomplished by causing the collapse of the central nervous or circulatory systems. The single most important factor in wound lethality is bullet placement. This cannot be overstated. It is true that sometimes a direct hit on the brain by a bullet is not instantly incapacitating but generally this is because that portion of the brain struck is the relatively "unimportant" part associated with cognition. Hits against the base of the brain or the upper spine are almost always instantly fatal because these regions control the involuntary vital functions like heartbeat and respiration. In the case of hemorrhage resulting from damage to the lungs or arteries, brain death will likely occur prior to cessation of cardiac function; the time required for brain functions to deteriorate to the point of unconsciousness depending on the rate of hemorrhage. However, when damage is done directly to the heart, the circulatory function may be arrested first, leading to unconsciousness within a few seconds. There is another mechanism of cardiac arrest that is less well understood but which may account for the nearly instantaneous death of game animals hit with modern weapons and that is induced cardiac fibrillation and arrest. The precise mechanism for the onset of the cardiac arrest is not fully understood, but its effect is well documented. It may involve some type of local neurological or humeral communication between the heart and lungs that gets short-circuited. Alternatively, a violent wound to the lung tissue may create a tiny embolism that interrupts cardio-pulmonary function at a critical moment. Other than hits to the central nervous system (brain and spine) or the unpredictable mechanism of spontaneous cardiac arrest, the only reliable cause of rapid death is through hemorrhaging produced by cutting a hole through major blood-bearing organs (heart, lungs, liver) or major blood vessels (e.g., aorta). The dimensions and especially the location of the cavity produced by the bullet will determine the rate of hemorrhaging and in turn the rapidity of the onset of death. It is actually more lethal in some cases to sever the arteries directly above the heart, than to penetrate the heart itself. If these arteries are cut, blood pressure instantly drops to zero and death will follow in seconds (this is one reason why an arrow can kill as fast as a bullet). Lethal hemorrhaging does not depend upon how much blood exits the body, but only upon the loss of blood pressure. A bullet which exhibits both expansion and deep penetration is desired. Three things are worth noting: 1) hemorrhaging in the thorax is far more severe in the case of pneumothorac injuries (collpased lung) than in vascular tissue such as muscle, due to the relative pressure difference between the pleural space and the cardio-vascular system, 2) the surface area of the wound, not its volume, is most related to the rate of hemorrhage, and 3) the body's natural response to hemorrhage, coagulation, is more pronounced in extremely violent wounds which rupture thrombocytes, releasing fibrin into the blood (in other words very sharp cuts generally bleed more freely and longer than ragged, macerated wounds - although a cleanly severed artery may spasm and close, whereas a torn artery may continue to bleed).
The first hit is the most important, because endorphins that are released into the body as a result of serious injury cause the constriction of the blood vessels, reduce or eliminate most pain, and condition the body to operate with minimal oxygen in the blood. If the first hit is not immediately lethal, then subsequent hits will often be less effective in quickly dropping the target, even if they are lethal wounds. Few people realize this, but it is well documented. It is the same mechanism which makes a startled or alert deer harder to kill than one which is completely surprised, because fear also triggers the release of endorphins. It is sometimes advised to go for a "mobility kill" (in military parlance) in order to prevent or stop a charge, incapacitate an armed aggressor, or to prevent a wounded animal from escaping. Mobility kills are hits which prevent or limit movement, and on game are usually aimed at the front shoulder. If you read the exploits of African hunters you will find that when the first shot against a dangerous game animal failed to drop it instantly, the second shot was sometimes intended to physically immobilize it (it is worth noting that some very reputable hunters argue against this approach). Once immobilized, it could be dispatched with a precise shot to the brain. Against humans, the hips are the target. According to Louis L'Amour, this was the preferred target for some gunfighters in the Old West, because the hips are the center of movement, therefore easier to hit, and because a bone-breaking hit here would put a man down. Partly for this reason, the power to smash major bones is also sometimes an important attribute for a bullet load.
If it were me i'd er on the side of caution because all it takes it that one time that bear gets a little too close and doesn't go down from the first 2 or 3 shots from the 6.8 and you find yourself waking up in a hospital or worse. "It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have."

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2009, 11:02:25 AM »
LOL,
   After writing that novel about shot placement you mention about the animal not going down after your first 2 or 3 shots.  Missed shots don't count, if he'd have missed, there's a very good chance none of us would have heard this story. 

Could you explain a little more about how a bullet to the brain, heart, or lungs work?

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2009, 08:08:37 AM »
i'm not saying that a 6.8 won't take down big game such as whitetail deer or bear. I'm merely saying that utilizing this catridge to stop a charging animal is something that you should seriously consider rethinking. For those sportsman who take their shots from a safe distance it sounds great but for those of us who hunt in a dense forest where visibility at it's best is 50-75yds in broad daylight, i'd take my chances with a 35 whelen.  ;)

Good huntin'

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2009, 04:34:58 PM »
yea, if a bear charge was a valid concern I would want something bigger for sure!
there's a few guys that have killed black bears with them hunting, but I hear they really aren't that hard to kill...

that's not the same thing as something fast and close that wants to eat you

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2009, 05:05:34 PM »
What are the chances of being attacked by a black bear while deer hunting. One in ten million, or more?

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2009, 05:29:40 PM »
What are the chances of being attacked by a black bear while deer hunting. One in ten million, or more?

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+1  This doesn't happen every day.  Knowing I was deer hunting in bear country would definately change my thinking on what gun I took out with me, if nothing else just for peace of mind or false sense of confidence. 

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2009, 02:59:31 AM »
I have no qualms with this catridge myself. … I didn't get the chance to use it on a Whitetail but looking back on the season I would have to say that I would not use it for deer hunting again.
Why not?  Sounds like you DO have qualms about using it.

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First off the round itself is a little small for Whitetail deer being that we average 120lb+ deer (which isn't that great) and traditionally it takes a 7mm+ to effectively and quickly take down these big game.
You are right, 120 pounds isn’t that large.  A .243 Win will do very nicely for deer that size.  A 6.8mm SPC is more than enough.  By “it takes a 7mm+ to effectively and quickly take down these big game” are you talking about a 7mm-08, 7x57, .280 Rem, 7mm RM or perhaps a 7mm WBY or STW?  If a 6.8mm SPC is inadequate a 7mm-08 or 7x57 would surely have to be considered inadequate as well…

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What really put me over the top on this idea was one morning … charged by a 160lb black bear... So all in all great coyote gun not so much of a big gamer catridge. 
Casey

People cleanly take elk every year with a .243 Win.  And they take moose with a .223 Rem.  What I’m reading in your statement is that you “have no qualms” with the 6.8 SPC, that you do indeed have qualms about using it, that it really isn’t adequate for 120 pound deer at ranges under 100 yards (I’m still laughing) but a 7mm (.284” instead of .277”) will do just fine for the same deer in the same situation, and that the 6.8mm SPC is a great coyote cartridge?

If I tried to follow your “logic” my head would still be spinning.

The 6.8mm SPC is an OK coyote cartridge but not what I would choose.  Where I hunt coyotes I am often presented with shot opportunities in excess of 500 yards, although the longest shots I’ve taken were lasered to be in the 480-490 yard range.  My .22-250 and .257 Roberts are better choices, as would be a fair number of other cartridges before I would choose the 6.8mm SPC.

Hornady’s 6.8mm SPC loads deliver over 2300fps and 1300fpe past the 100 yard line.  If a person can’t reliably dump 120 pound deer with such loads at shorter ranges they should not be taking the shot.  The problem isn’t the arrow, it’s the Indian.  Cripes, a .223 will do nicely for 120 pound deer at the ranges you are talking about.

I understand your hesitancy regarding the 6.8mm SPC and bears.  Perhaps what you should be using is a Marlin .45-70 with 540 grain Garrett Hammerhead loads, or maybe a .458 Lott -- but that has nothing to do with the 6.8mm SPC and 120 pound deer.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2009, 01:13:27 PM »
 The only possible reason I could see for someone buying a bolt action in 6.8 is if he already had an AR in 6.8 and wanted a companion piece.  Other than that, I would consider it an enormous waste of money.   Why bother getting one???  The .260 Remington and .7mm-08 are going to have no greater noise, have no substantially greater recoil, and are much more widely available in factory loads, and at retail outlets.

   Really, don't waste your money like this.  Give it to a poor person so he can buy some food for his kids.

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Re: 6.8 SPC Pros vs. Cons
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2009, 01:20:32 PM »

  Fear of getting "charged" by a black bear?  Pure fantasy.  You would have a hundred times greater chance of getting killed by a drunk driver while riding in your car to your hunting property. So, would you go out and buy a motorcycle helmet to wear while driving, to give you more protection while you are riding in your car???

   I have hunted in Rockbridge County, Virginia, one of the largest black bear counties in all of Virginia, for over 35 years.  I have seen exactly 3 black bear while deer hunting, one being a sow with cubs, and all of  which promptly ran away at the first whiff of human scent.  I'm more concerned by the rattlesnakes, which DO bite dozens of people in the county every year.

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