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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2009, 02:16:38 PM »
7mm08 and a good 140 grain bullet spells dead deer.
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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2009, 04:57:29 AM »
Comparing the 7mm/08 to the .308 is like comparing the .280 Remington (also a .7mm or .284 caliber) to the .30/06.  Each comparision is the case of a .30 caliber cartridge necked down to .284 or 7mm.

I've always felt that for antelope, deer hunting, the .280 Remington was very slightly superior to the .30/06 just as the 7mm/08 is very slightly superior to the .308 Winchester.

The advantage of the two 7mm cartridges compared to the two .30 caliber cartridges is the 7mm's slightly superior ballistics with slightly lighter bullets as compared to their .30 caliber "parent".

That said, I am confident that the 7mm bullets & cartridges are completely and totally appropriate for antelope or deer... and not too bad for even elk or moose, but with the larger game animals, I'd prefer the slightly heavier bullets out of the .30 caliber "parent" cartridges.

In addition to their slightly superior ballistics, especially at longer ranges... the recoil of the 7mm/08 is slightly less than the recoil of the .308 just as the recoil of the .280 Remington's (which uses a .30/06 case necked down to .284 caliber aka "7mm") recoil is slightly less than it's "parent" cartridge (the .30/06).  This slightly lighter recoil is due to the fact the 7mm's are pushing slightly lighter bullets down their barrels.

The "normal" bullet weight for deer in a 7mm is usually either 120 or 140 grain bullets with the 140 grain bullet being the "more normal" compared to the .30 caliber deer bullet which is most often a 150 grain bullet although one can use a very effective 130 grain bullet as well.

And so... in summary, the 7mm cartridges will give you a slightly flatter trajectory with almost the same bullet weight while kicking you slightly less!

In my mind, this proves the 7mm/08 is the better choice for you than the .308 because of your eventual plans to give it to your son for his use... and at his young age, less recoil spells greater success in most cases.

Your choice in my opinion?  Get the 7mm/08 and use 120 grain bullets for your son's use... and 140 grain bullets for YOUR use.  In a few years, your son should be big enough to easily handle the 140 grain, 7mm bullets as well.

But I will tell you right now... the 7x57mm Mauser cartridge is a superior cartridge to the 7mm/08 if handloaded to it's maximum capability due simply to the fact the 7x57 cartridge case has a slightly greater powder capacity than does the 7mm/08. 

As a result, the 7x57 cartridge can be loaded to a slightly greater muzzle velocity which will yield a slightly flatter trajectery with slightly greater foot/pounds of bullet energy when handloaded to it's maximum capability (just as is the .308 already loaded) and fired in strong, modern rifles. 

The 7x57 is normally loaded to far less pressure (46,000 CUP) as compared to the .308 Winchester (52,800 CUP) due to the use, in many 3rd world nations, of the older & weaker 1893 and 1895 Mausers chambered for the 7x57 cartridge which would likely give problems if loaded beyond the lower pressures the factories currently load the 7x57.

I am a handloader of long standing (over 45 years), this is why I choose my Ruger #1 International (20" barrel, full Mannlicher style stock) in 7x57 rather than 7mm/08.

Now you have the "complete story"... I hope this information will help you make your decision, but... at this point... you must certainly realize that the .308 Winchester would also be an excellent choice.    :)


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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 08:18:48 AM »
I have a 7mm 08 & a 25 06 and like both of them, but for deer, the 7mm 08 is King. I like shooting the 25 06 and Deer Hunt with it also, but my favorite Deer Rifle is my 7mm 08 and have never had a deer to run over 50 yds after being shot and that was only one, the rest were at point of impact. Use 140 gr Nosler Accubond bullets and they are great. You will never be sorry that you bought a 7mm 08.
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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 04:04:20 PM »
I have a 7mm 08 & a 25 06 and like both of them, but for deer, the 7mm 08 is King. I like shooting the 25 06 and Deer Hunt with it also, but my favorite Deer Rifle is my 7mm 08 and have never had a deer to run over 50 yds after being shot and that was only one, the rest were at point of impact. Use 140 gr Nosler Accubond bullets and they are great. You will never be sorry that you bought a 7mm 08.

I used the Nosler 140 Accubond this year in the 7mm-08 and loved it! It was accurate, penetrated well, and it was deadly on deer!

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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2009, 10:36:47 AM »
Well, none of the mule deer I shot while living in MT with my 7mm-08 thought it was not enough gun or I was a woman!  ;D I loved that rifle and regret selling it. I am looking for another 7mm-08 in the near future to replace it.

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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2009, 02:21:14 PM »
I have about a dozen scoped deer rifles from 243 to 300WSM.  I especially enjoy carrying and shooting my 7-08.  Mine is just over seven pounds, scoped.  It's a 700 LVSF.  Think Remington made a mistake by not cateloging the LVSF in the 308 class calibers.  They made a few for a wholesaler or two and now you can't find one anywhere.  Would have been a winner for them.

I've only shot 140 grain bullets in mine.  Varget is a good powder and H380, Reloader 15, and H414 are just as good.  The Hornaday light magnum loading shoots great in mine.

Recoil is noticably lighter than 270, 280, 30-06 loads.

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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2009, 03:24:45 PM »
I've been running the 120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip in my 7mm-08 for the past couple of seasons.  I haven't killed a boat load of deer with it, but the 5 I've shot with it have all dropped in their tracks.  I know that can change with the next one I shoot, but I REALLY like that combination for the white tails I'm hunting here in Mississippi.  I don't feel undergunned in the least !!!

Mild recoil (noticeably less than 140 gr bullets to me) and kills very, very well.

My experience, FWIW.

I've used a 280 Remington with 140 grain bullets for years, and really prefer the 7mm-08 loaded with the 120 gr bullets for the hunting I do - just don't need more gun.  Wish I'd been using it years ago...

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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2009, 11:27:49 AM »
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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2009, 04:21:29 PM »
I will be purchasing a 7-08 shortly. I have been reading up on a load I want to try.   A given load in the nosler book using 120gr BT's makes it one flat shooting mother. 3262 fps-  will give 33" of drop @500 yds with a 200 yd zero.  Thats about as flat as they come.
Flatter than the 25-06
I have been undecided but after looking at diffent loads for it I am going the 7-08 route

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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2009, 05:08:00 PM »
I used a mod 70 30-06 (inherited from my dad) for years .. When I hit my mid forties I finally said why the heck am I doing this year after year. Heavy, overkill , killer recoil, etc .. Finally Put the 30-06 in the safe, and started looking for compact lightweight bolt action/cartridge combination , I wanted a rifle that would be a pleasure to carry for hours, easy to use in the woods and have less recoil than my 30-06 yet could take Northeast whitetails without a hitch.

After much input from others on this site this past year I purchased a model seven. awesome rifle , awesome cartridge (7MM-08 is Not just for youth and women). the 7mm-08 offers high energy, low recoil.  If you want a nice lightweight short action package for both woods and field you can't go wrong with a mod seven 7mm-08.  Now I wish I had made the switch years ago. I recently scoped mine with a Bushnell elite 3200 2-7x32 and have already put about 100 rounds through it. I plan on leaving my -06 in the safe and take the mod 7 out west this year with me as well. It's gonna be great hiking up into high mountains on a weeks trip with this rifle. 

I had a totally different experience at my local gun shop.  when I went to pick it up , Every employee there including the owner told me what a great choice I made.

Here's mine..

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,165595.msg1098753585.html#msg1098753585

Here's a good article on the 7mm-08

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/7MM-08+Remington?packedargs=pagenum%3D1
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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2009, 03:41:45 AM »
Coleman -

Here's my take on the various cartridges you've been discussing, as well as a couple others:

.25-06
The best dual-purpose (deer/antelope and varmint) cartridge available if using factory loads. Use 75g V-MAX for the little critters and 100g Tipped TSX, 110g AccuBond, 115g TSX or 120g A-Frames for the bigger stuff.  My quarter bore is a .257 Roberts running +P brass and loads and gives up very little to a .25-06.  It is easily my favorite rifle.  Minimal recoil and plenty of the right stuff down range for game up to the size of deer.  A Roberts or .25-06 will even take elk reliably, although I prefer a somewhat heavier bullet.

.260 Remington
An excellent cartridge.  It will do anything the 7mm-08 can do except the bullet weights only run up to 160g (not that I have ever seen anyone shoot a 175g in a 7mm-08).  Better Ballistic Coefficients mean flatter trajectories.  I am currently building a custom in the .260's big brother, the 6.5mm-06 and plan to use a 130g Scirocco II bullets with a BC of .571 for very long work (mostly clay pigeons at 600 yards).

.270 Winchester
Perhaps the best dedicated deer and antelope cartridge available, OK for the occasional coyote but not so great for high-volume varminting like prairie dogs.  Perfectly adequate for elk as well

7mm-08
An excellent deer cartridge that has more reach than most people are prepared to shoot.  Zeroed for 250 yards and pushing a 140g AccuBond to 2850fps, the bullet is down only 36" at 500 yards and still carries 1265fpe.

.308 Win
The advantage the .308 Win has over the 7mm-08 for deer is the selection of factory ammo available, including bulk plinking/practice ammo.  I use a .308 Win but for antelope to elk, would use a 7mm-08 with equal confidence.

.30-06
Let's see - My rifles include a .257 Roberts, 7mm Rem Mag, .30-03, 308 Win, .300 Win Mag, .375 Win, .44 Mag and .45-70, and I am building a 6.5mm-06.  There are also THREE .30-06's in the safe.  From coyotes to brown bear, if you can't get it done with a .30-06 you probably need a dedicated varmint rifle or something in a .375 magnum or larger.  Plenty of reduced recoil loads, .22 Accelerators, cheap bulk ammo, premium hunting loads, etc. Hard to beat a .30-06.


Back to the 7mm-08 - it is an excellent choice and I would not let anyone persuade you otherwise.  If they run it down it is out of ignorance.
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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2009, 04:53:09 AM »
trurh is anything from 243 thru. 3006 is a good deer gun . The only reason to choose one over the other is choice . so if you choose to not be whacked by recoil , choose to have a lighter gun to carry and choose to have an all round good gun for deer hunting then you might choose a 708 Win. with good reason .

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Re: 7mm-08 to hunt deer with?
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2009, 08:12:02 AM »
Being a huge fan of the 7x57 I can't bring myself to knock the 7-08 anymore.  I don't generally build rifles to be especially light because under most field conditions I shoot better with rifles in the 8-9 pound class.  I really like the 30-06 and load it to many different power levels to suit what I may be planning at the time.  If I wanted a light rifle I would get the model 7 and never look back.  I may buy a 7-08 in a handi-rifle some day to fill the light short niche and just to play with a different cartridge. At present my 7x57 fills all my whitetail hunting needs very well and I would expect no less of a good 7-08.
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