Author Topic: Here's a reason to buy the 400t instead of the 300 (Garmin Colorado or Oregon)  (Read 1543 times)

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Offline NitroSteel

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http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/message/view/home/8166106

It appears that someone has figured out how to use the trip and waypoint manager software (that comes with the Colorado 400t) to view the topo maps that are included in the 400t Oregon or 400t Colorado.  The software does not come with the Oregon, but is only $25.00.  That is better than buying the $85 Topo 2008 software and getting the same result.

I've not tried this myself, as I've not bought a new GPS yet, but it makes me lean more toward buying the 400t version of either the Colorado or Oregon.  I haven't been able to put my hands on the Oregon yet....

Hopefully this will help someone.

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One of the first things I do when working with a Garmin gps unit is making sure it is up-to-date.  There is no way telling how long the unit has been in the warehouse or on the retailer’s shelf before you purchased it.  When I was helping a friend who had owned a gps unit for three years I found it had not been updated.  We avoided a problem because we updated it before loading a mapset.

One of the reasons the 60CSx is currently a good unit is that it has been in the food chain long enough for those growing pain issues to be corrected.  The Colorado t has been around long enough and generated enough heat on Garmin to get it fixed. 

Here is the Garmin list of fixes, updates, and additions to the Colorado t as of January 19th, 2006.  You need to make a habit of checking the website for updates, and you can sign up for e-mail updates.  I do not depended on it or receiving an e-mail.

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3891

Garmin’s Webupdater is rather painless.  You can get the download here:
http://www8.garmin.com/products/webupdater/howtoinstall.jsp

Once Webupdater is installed on your computer just connect your Garmin gps to your computer with the provided cord.  With the computer on power up your gps. In your program list you will find Webupdater in your Garmin folder.

The Colorado t has been around long enough that it is starting to mature and most of the needed fixes have been made.  But every once and awhile a fix needs to be fixed.

I noticed that there is a January 2009 update for a couple of the eTrex HC models.

Your drumbeat is taking you away from purchasing Topo 2008.  Admittedly I avoid it for a year or so but I already had US Topo, USGS Topo State series, and DeLorme Topo software.  I like having topo software which I can create waypoints, and tracks on, or transfer waypoints and tracks from my gps to the computer and display them on a map.  I carry my map binder in my pickup during the season.  These maps with enhance data has been an asset to our hunting group. 

One of the features of Map Source products is that you can create a waypoint on your computer map, and then view that waypoint in Google Earth.

We have set down at the computer and planned a day long hunt on a map using existing waypoints, creating new waypoints, printing the map, and printing the Google Earth photo with our data on it.  Mapping software is just another tool in the toolbox.  It maybe the lug wrench that goes with the jack.
There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

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Sounds like a plan. I hope it works out for you.  I probably would have gone for the 400t if I had known about the recent discovery three months ago.

Good luck

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I am looking forward to when you get a unit and letting us know how the downloading of maps works.
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Well, I spoke with Garmin directly about this yesterday and the person I spoke with (who was very nice and seemed VERY knowledgeable) said that he didn't think that this could be done - he actually said it COULDN'T be done...

He also more or less suggested that for my purposes (hunting/hiking) the 60csx would be the best unit.  He said I would probably be just as happy with the Oregon 300, but battery life tends to be significantly less and the screen is dimmer (but not bad) and there are still some bugs being worked out - but that they will be worked out.  It's just a matter of spending the extra $150.00 for essentially a touch screen, terrain shading, and nothing else (for my purposes).

I think I'm going to buy the Garmin 60 CSX "bundle" (with topo 2008, and soft case) from REI for $389.  Their return policy is basically unconditional (the only one of this type that I've found).  I'll probably turn around and buy a TomTom or other car GPS for around $150.00 for the vehicle and I'll have everything I need for all purposes.

Of course,  I have changed my mind a few times before...

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There is nothing wrong with the 60csx. If I were using a gps only for hunting and hiking, I think my 60csx would be my choice. Plus the 60csx is also a good gps for caching. I just prefer the Oregon for geocaching and I like the touchscreen.

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The 60csx with Topo 2008 is about $400 when all is said and done.

The Oregon 300 with Topo 2008 is about $470.

It's not so much a matter of money, I just want to be sure I get the best one.  I hate not to buy the latest and greatest, but don't want to screw up by doing so either...  Hopefully I can get my hands on a Oregon 300 pretty soon and see how I like it.  It sounds like the 60 csx will be fairly similar to my old Garmin.

I can't imagine I'll choose anything other than one of these two.

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What old Garmin do you have?
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I have had a GPSII, GPSII+ and a GPS 12XL.  I know the high sensitivity receiver will be much nicer and the mapping of any kind will be nice.  I'm just thinking the operation of the one's I've had compared to the 60csx will be very similar.

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NitroSteel:

Your experience will give you a good foundation.  In the evolution of electronics there has been a far amount of advancement.  I am sure that is why a pioneer such as yourself is looking to update.  With every evolution there are changes in unit language but you should easily adjust to it.  The step from your current units to the 60CSx should be a little shorter then if you selected the Colorado or Oregon. 

I suspect that with the 60CSx you will find satellite acquisition about sixty percent better.  In heavy cover you will receive a satellite lock where you would not receive on at all with the other units.  I guess that is a hundred percent improvement.

While some of the older units required 4-AA batteries, the 60CSx operates on two batteries, and has good battery life.  If you have the 4-connector 12v cord from your older units it is useable with the auxiliary power connector on the back of the 60CSx.

Mapping:  With a micro SD card loaded with maps the 60CSx is leaps and bounds ahead of the older units.  Getting the unit ahead of time and practicing with the mapping product before hunting season makes goods sense.

One of my primary hunting partners who lives about 250-miles away and I hope to get together this in the next couple of months and do some geocaching to sharpen our gps skills.

I think the step from the 12XL to the 60CSx will be easy for you, because they operate in a similar manner.  If you have questions regarding mapsets ask.








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I ordered a Garmin 60CSx package from TheGPSStore yesterday afternoon.  It was $389.00 for the GPS, Topo 2008 and a neoprene holster.  I also ordered a 2gb micro sd card and SD adapter after confirming with Garmin that this was the biggest one that they would support (although others MIGHT work).  The grand total was $412 plus $10 for 2nd day air UPS shipping.  I should have it by Friday and already have a tracking number.

http://www.thegpsstore.com/Garmin-GPSMAP-60CSx-GPSUS-TOPO-Pkg-Neoprene-Case-P969C2.aspx

Could've gotten the same thing from REI for about $40 more (after taxes and shipping) and had a better return policy, but from what I've read, I can't imagine having/wanting to return it.   


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Congrats on ordering the 60csx. I know you are going to like it. I like mine, it just sees very limited use these days. For geocaching the Oregon gets the nod. If I decide to do any hiking this summer and for next years hunting season the 60csx will probably be my choice.

Keep us posted on how you like the 60csx

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NitroSteel:  You got a good price on your package. 

I think you will enjoy it.
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Nitro I see you made it over to the Groundspeak forums. Lots of good information on the site. There are a bunch of people that can answer just about any question you have.

Now that your registered and get your 60csx its time to get out and find a cache or two. You'll have a good time at it. Maybe hook up with another cacher or two in your area just makes it more fun..

I don't use the same name on Groundspeak and geocaching.com I go by (mty55) The shorter the name you use the better it is for signing some of those tiny logs in nanos and micros.

Have fun and enjoy


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On the surface, I don't understand how it can be hard to find anything with a GPS.  I'll probably end up trying to find something just to see exactly how naive I am...  At this point I believe I could find just about anything with my battery-eating GPSII.  I found alot of duck blinds and deer stands in brand new areas in the pitch black dark in the worst weather imaginable with no problems.

I can't wait to get the new gps.

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On the surface, I don't understand how it can be hard to find anything with a GPS.  I'll probably end up trying to find something just to see exactly how naive I am...  At this point I believe I could find just about anything with my battery-eating GPSII.  I found alot of duck blinds and deer stands in brand new areas in the pitch black dark in the worst weather imaginable with no problems.

I can't wait to get the new gps.

Nitrosteel

Yes the Gps is going to get you to the area with no problems. Now its a matter of finding the cache. Some you can walk right up to and grab, others are hidden pretty good, and can get you frustrated. I don't know where you live but here in Western NY we have close to 15" of snow on the ground. That also adds to the challenge. We had a group in Rochester NY last saturday. We went after 13 caches and were fortunate enough to walk away with 12 finds, and only1 dnf. A few were a real pain to retrieve as they were frozen in place. Just adds to the fun I guess. Go to geocaching.com type in your zipcode, find out whats in your area and read the logs posted Some are easy some are a pain in the butt. But if you like it and get hooked on caching they're all good. ;)

Good luck and have fun