Author Topic: beheadings (Read 2677 times)

ms · « **on:** January 21, 2009, 05:32:13 AM »

AFP
Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009

Three severed heads were found Tuesday stuffed inside a cooler outside the Guadalupe town hall and 10 more people were killed elsewhere in Mexico's Chihuahua state that sees most of the country's brutal drug violence, police said.

The three beheadings follow that of the Praxedis police chief, whose head was also deposited outside that locality's town hall on Monday.

Police said 10 more drug-related killings also took place Tuesday in northern Chihuahua state, bordering the United States, the chief destination of the multi-billion-dollar drug trafficking by Mexican cartels.

BBF · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:41:06 AM »

From the point of view of an OF like me, it appears that this situation doesn't speak highly of 36,000 troops or their leadership.

alsaqr · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2009, 06:52:30 AM »

This stuff happens because of Americans insatiable appetite for dope.

lrs · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:14:35 AM »

Quote from: alsaqr on January 21, 2009, 06:52:30 AM

This stuff happens because of Americans insatiable appetite for dope.

That doesn't help, but it's not that simple. There's plenty of blame to go around.

rex6666 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:03:51 AM »

As soon as the drug dealers find out who is heffy in an area the hand him a little money and he tells his troops to go blind.
As far as it being the Americans fault because we use the drugs,
if you have a mouse getting your cheese, you put a lid on the cheese, and the mouse goes else where. I guess the fl. entry has gotten hot, next
will be Canada. As long as their are buyers their will be sellers.
I think if every one caught with drugs, or with "blood in their drugs"
were locked up for a min. of say 5 years the story might change, and
this will upset some of you, I mean pot also. when we stop the hand spanking
and letting off because it is Mr. so & so's daughter or son things will
change.

Skunk · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:15:35 AM »

Quote from: rex6666 on January 21, 2009, 08:03:51 AM

I think if every one caught with drugs, or with "blood in their drugs" were locked up for a min. of say 5 years the story might change, and this will upset some of you, I mean pot also...

They already put people away for longer sentences than that. In some cases the punishment has been so out of proportion with the crime that it's not even funny. It's probably easier for addicts of hard drugs to get drugs in prison than it is to get drugs on the street. Long prison terms and the entire War On Drugs has not proven to be the most effective method of reducing drug crimes.

rex6666 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:23:50 AM »

Then put them all away for 20 years regardless of what or how much they have. when it comes to drugs their is
no way the sentence can be too heavy, this is exactly what i meant buy hand spanking. Let them have all the drugs they want if they are in prison
then they can kill each other instead of Innocent people. Some people always find a reason to stop doing any thing.

Skunk · « **Reply #7 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:31:44 AM »

Quote from: rex6666 on January 21, 2009, 08:23:50 AM

Some people always find a reason to stop doing any thing.

Throwing them in prison at our expense is like doing nothing Rex. Prison for drug addicts is about as much of a deterrent to drug crimes as the death penalty is to violent crimes. As much as I'd like those options to work, they do not seem to have much effect.

dukkillr · « **Reply #8 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:33:18 AM »

Quote from: rex6666 on January 21, 2009, 08:23:50 AM

Then put them all away for 20 years regardless of what or how much they have. when it comes to drugs their is
no way the sentence can be too heavy, this is exactly what i meant buy hand spanking. Let them have all the drugs they want if they are in prison
then they can kill each other instead of Innocent people. Some people always find a reason to stop doing any thing.

No doubt! 20 years for smoking pot? Great! Lets add 20 years for smoking tobacco and 20 years for drinking alcohol too! Alcohol and tobacco kill thousands of times more Americans than pot. I'm excited about the giant new prisons we're going to build with my newly raised tax dollars!

rex6666 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:40:58 AM »

That's it think of reasons to do nothing.
I think alcohol and tobacco are still legal.
never heard of any one killing some one because he was smoking too much
tobacco
raise the taxes on alcohol in proportion to tobacco that will slow that down
some.
I guess you are one of those that think smoking a little pot NEVER hurt anyone.
You would rather let the druggies go and spend your tax $$$$$ in Africa.

dukkillr · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:13:31 AM »

Quote from: rex6666 on January 21, 2009, 08:40:58 AM

That's it think of reasons to do nothing.
I think alcohol and tobacco are still legal.
never heard of any one killing some one because he was smoking too much
tobacco
raise the taxes on alcohol in proportion to tobacco that will slow that down
some.
I guess you are one of those that think smoking a little pot NEVER hurt anyone.
You would rather let the druggies go and spend your tax $$$$$ in Africa.

So, to be clear: You believe more Americans are killed by people who are overly high than by drunk drivers? Ever heard of second hand smoke?

I never said, "... smoking a little pot NEVER hurt anyone." I'm an attorney. I'm defense counsel for the local drug court. I see the damage drugs do every day. I also see the damage alcohol does every day. My point was that your 20 year figure was ridiculous and that it should be compared alongside drugs that are more dangerous, but historically legal, so that we can all see the reality of the "Drug War".

I actually don't understand your last statement. Why would druggies go to Africa with my tax dollars? Is Africa the new Amesterdam?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:20:13 AM »

rex6666 , saw a guy cut another for drinking to much from the bottle they were spliting . It was behind railway supply in down town Richmond Va. . opened his stomach from side to side , EMT said they doubt he would live and it was about 6 blocks to MCV. ( hospital ) .
Same could happen with smokes i guess .

ms · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:06:55 AM »

The new world order doesn't want drugs to stop they make to much money. It helps control population. It helps people stay in employed in law enforcement health care.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:14:07 AM »

Had a great - uncle once who drank himself homeless. His father came out of a store one day and stepped over a homeless guy only to look twice and realize it was his son. He took him home and got him cleaned up. Didn't last long. He died due to liver failure shortly after that.

Addiction is addiction. Be it tobacco, booze, drugs...so on and so forth.

As far as drug smuggling across the US/Mexico border is concerned. Line the border w/ sniper teams. Tell them to track down and kill the smugglers. Lethality is a great deterrent.

...very true statement MS...

mirage1988 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2009, 11:26:24 AM »

The gov't makes too much money off the drug trade to legalize it. What happens to all the drugs they seize? It just happens to disappear from the evidence rooms. The CIA has been helping the smugglers since the late 60's. One of the biggest drug smuggling operations ever was done during the Vietnam war using US ARMY cargo planes.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2009, 11:31:56 AM »

It used to be the excuse that using drugs is immoral. After yesterday they are going to have to find a new excuse.

ms · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2009, 12:13:34 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on January 21, 2009, 11:26:24 AM

The gov't makes too much money off the drug trade to legalize it. What happens to all the drugs they seize? It just happens to disappear from the evidence rooms. The CIA has been helping the smugglers since the late 60's. One of the biggest drug smuggling operations ever was done during the Vietnam war using US ARMY cargo planes.

I seen that movie.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2009, 12:45:27 PM »

Are you just pissed off at everyone MS? Its no ones fault you have it but yet everyones fault?

mirage1988 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2009, 12:50:47 PM »

IM pissed too,
Im a damm good machinist.
Im a damm good carpenter.
Im a damm good cabinetmaker-in fact I took second at nationals in 2006.
Im pissed off because I can't find a job!

gypsyman · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2009, 12:56:23 PM »

Somewhere, back in the '80's, I remember a science study, that found trace amounts of THC in some imported alcohol. Vermouth I believe, which means if you drink a martini, it had some of the same chemical that pot has in it. Not wanting to be a hypocrite, and a little bit of a liberitarin, I always thought, if marijuana was legalized for home consumption only, and sold thru state agency's, where the state's could tax it just like alcohol or cigarette's, why not. Draw the line in the sand as far as drugs go here. And it would put more money in tobacco farmers pockets. The state's could buy it threw lisenced growers, and anything else would be illegal. Same as booze. Would some people grow it themselve's, of course. They do it now. Except the state's could make some tax revenue off of it. gypsyman

mirage1988 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2009, 01:00:02 PM »

Just got off the phone with my boss(?)
Said we might have work monday or tuesday.
Is there no one else in this spot?

mirage1988 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2009, 01:06:22 PM »

I would have NO PROBLEM with that-have never smoked weed but have consumed plenty of alcohol.
I just feel that the gov't won't outlaw it because they make more money off of it being illegal-especially after they got all the smoking bans passed.

Troyboy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2009, 01:12:26 PM »

The mexican goverment is corrupt always has been. Makes no difference drugs or cows they are still gonna take at the expense of the populace

ms · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2009, 02:08:52 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on January 21, 2009, 12:45:27 PM

Are you just pissed off at everyone MS? Its no ones fault you have it but yet everyones fault?

I'm not mad at anyone. It's no ones fault that I have MS. I just take it as it comes.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 21, 2009, 02:53:51 PM »

The open borders are the biggest issue with drugs. Fence the border, authorise the border partly to use lethal force one anyone trying to sneak in. There will always be a market for illegal drugs in America, if you make the importing of them to dangerous the market will dry up as the price will become out of reach of anyone. I do not believe the constitution pertains to anyone who is not an American citizen, therefore there is no need for any time to be wasted on the n on citizens.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2009, 03:44:00 PM »

freedom isn't free ..drugs alcohol cigarettes lead guns gas all kill

this is what happens when the government infringes on peoples freedom

i have had family die as a result of the POOR CHOISES THEY made of their own free will

when i hear of a cop killed trying to take away that freedom ...it doesn't bother me that much

freedom isn't free and it is worth fighting for
and those the take freedom should die

''live free or die'' who said that

the ILLEGAL DRUG INDUSTRY would be almost shut down if taxed and regulated drugs were available
the tax money raised would build a nice fence

it is obvious to any moron
that what we are doing IS NOT working even with 56% of our prison population in for drug crimes

you just accept governments war on its drug using CITIZENS
and you will be ask to accept a war on the gun owning CITIZENS

ever hear a democrat say the AK-47 is the prefered wepon of drug gangs

thes laws ONLY raise the stakes and profit margines

has any one heard how the resesion has effected the drug industry?

torpedoman · « **Reply #26 on:** January 21, 2009, 04:35:24 PM »

Quote from: rex6666 on January 21, 2009, 08:03:51 AM

As soon as the drug dealers find out who is heffy in an area the hand him a little money and he tells his troops to go blind.
As far as it being the Americans fault because we use the drugs,
if you have a mouse getting your cheese, you put a lid on the cheese, and the mouse goes else where. I guess the fl. entry has gotten hot, next
will be Canada. As long as their are buyers their will be sellers.
I think if every one caught with drugs, or with "blood in their drugs"
were locked up for a min. of say 5 years the story might change, and
this will upset some of you, I mean pot also. when we stop the hand spanking
and letting off because it is Mr. so & so's daughter or son things will
change.

Just how many prisons do you want to build and staff? take a good look at proabition and its effecet and compair what is going on now to then YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALS OR MORALITY legalize and tax drugs and you win the war on drugs.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #27 on:** January 21, 2009, 04:49:37 PM »

yes i forgot that little prohibition experiment what a success it was

how many died during that drug war [alcohol is a drug for those of you from rio linda]

prohibition and the profitd from it is still funding the kennedy clan

how many of you drug user haters are currently a drug user yourself ,,,[that is drinker i mean]

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:05:33 PM »

I happen to agree. I no longer smoke pot but if you were to make it legal and tax it like booze and cigarettes the income to the country would be great. Besides I smoked a lot of pot when I was in my early 20'S and even then I never heard of a person stoned on pot driving down the hi way at 100 MPH and killing a bunch of people in a traffic accident. Do you know why? Because when you are high you can be doing 25 MPH and feel like you are doing 60 MPH. Hey if they catch you stoned from smoking a little herb they would just charge you like any other DUI. I say let them make it legal and tax it. You guys know I love my daughter more than I can say. Well let me put it to you this way. I would rather see her smoke a little pot than get addicted to booze. Pot is something you grow out of booze you may never grow out of. Dale

GatCat · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2009, 11:29:14 PM »

The problem with "legalize pot and tax it" is 1) legal pot would have a set % of THC ( like proof in booze). Folks would buy blackmarket pot with a higher THC content. 2) So, it's taxed, and expensive, so what's keeping folks from again buying cheaper, black-market pot?
3) The U.S. has mutual drug-enforcement policies with many countries..for us to change would create lots of international problems.
For those that say shoot smugglers, etc., most pot is brought in via large trucks, cars, boats, etc. in hidden compartments. Both from Mexico and Canada. Sure, some is brought in via backpacks, etc., but it is small potatoes.
It really bugs me when folks say we are "loosing the war on drugs"!! Well, haven't we waged a "war" on murder, rape, theft, DWI, etc., etc. The word "war" should never have been used to describe enforcement.
As if anyone cares, here ary my thoughts on drugs. I'm 58, so I'm a product of the '60's, grew up on the Calif. coast, later a career cop. First off, some % of any population are going to be addicts, and alot ( most??) of those cannot support their habit, so they revert to street crime. WHY do we let this happen?? Does it make sense for someone to break into a car, do many hundreds of $$ damage, for small change, stolen stereo, etc?? Ditto the terrible waste of violent crimes, mugging, purse-snatching ( knock some poor lady down, breaking bones, for a few bucks), burglaries ( maybe assault/kill homeowner who interupts them ). Yea, I have no problem with lethal force to stop violent crime, so don't think of me as a bleeding heart. BUT, addicts are sick, they are ADDICTED!! My idea is simply to offer, in a clinical, supervised,controlled enviroment, drugs to those that need them. Cost is very minimal, street crime goes way down. Yes, offer rehab clinics, etc. to try to help those who want to quit. For pot, keep it all illegal, but de-criminalize small, personal amounts. IF a cop comes across it, it is siezed, person is ticketed, and given a small fine.
Now, for those that grow pot ( large amounts ), possess large quantities of illegal drugs ( pot, ANY opiates, etc.), well, they are simply smugglers and/or dealers, then either life sentance ( do-able ) or death penalty ( probably not do-able ).
My 2cents worth, time to jump off the soap box.
Mark
Back on topic, Mexico has a huge problem..it is about to collapse. It's interesting that in a country where the private ownership of firearms and ammo is VERY, VERY restrictive, the cartels have AK's, .50 M2's, military hand gernades, RPG's, etc. Shows just how effective gun control laws are!! About 10 years ago my youngest son ( then 16 ) and I drove down Baja to Cabo, and back. Would NEVER do it now-a-days. Mexico is Totally out of control!!
Bye