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WylieKy · « **Reply #30 on:** January 26, 2009, 09:07:30 AM »

I have a friend that lives in China 8-9 months a year, operating a family owned business the branched out to China. They build there and sell there (not importing back to the US.) He lives in a little city called Changzhou....ever heard of it? It has 3.5 MILLION people, and you can't even find it on most maps!!!! According to my friend, pretty much all of the Chinese general population KNOW that they are going to take over the US. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but it IS going to happen. They are very nonchalant about it, and think we know and understand the same.

YES the Chinese population is unarmed...NOW. How long would it take to get an AK into everyones hands?

? Something tells me not very long. Will these be qualified, professional soldiers? NO. However, remember the rule of the gun. A 4 year old with a gun can kill a hardened professional soldier. Given the simple numbers game, the Chinese could take our Military, even with a 100:1 casualty ratio. Going out into our heartland would be VERY expensive to them, because the Taliban has got nothing on Rednecks (of which I count myself) for irregular warfare. It would be prohibitively expensive by WESTERN standards. The Chinese do not think like we do. However, if push came to shove I think they could do it. JMHO.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #31 on:** January 26, 2009, 10:15:35 AM »

Quote from: jdt48653 on January 26, 2009, 08:30:54 AM

if you want to stop buying food made in china,check the BAR CODES
the first 3 digits on a bar code tell what country the product came from
all bar codes that start with
690,691,692,693,694,695 these are all made in china.

471~taiwan
00~13--usa&canada
30~37--france
40~44--germany
49~japan
50~uk
57~denmark
64~finland
76~switzerland&lienchtenstein
628~saudi arabia
629~united arab emirates
740~745--centeral america
all 480 codes are made in the philippines

the 1st digit is before the bar code lines start,and is sometimes a smaller digit.

Thanks. I never knew that. You learn something new everyday. Dale

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #32 on:** January 27, 2009, 03:53:21 AM »

OK , Whats China's code ?

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #33 on:** January 27, 2009, 03:55:32 AM »

690,691,692,693,694,695 these are all made in china. Dale

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #34 on:** January 27, 2009, 03:57:30 AM »

thanks !
want to check a few things

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #35 on:** January 27, 2009, 04:02:51 AM »

China can take the US, even with our armed population. They have 1.2 BILLION people. Their combined army, navy, air force, and national guard is equal to our entire population. Without nuclear weapons, and a president with testicles to use them, they could easily take us. They could first take Japans oil tanker fleet (they have one ship every 40 miles from the middle east to Japan, a floating pipeline). Convert these to troop transports, and sail right over. I think we would do well by making a strong ally of India, and help build up their economy instead of Chinas. India is also a good Ally with us against Muslim extremism.

BBF · « **Reply #36 on:** January 27, 2009, 06:20:27 AM »

Dixie" You don't think India would take over the US if they could? Look at who got most of the high tech work visas these days. It is possible to "takeover" a country without having anybody in country.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #37 on:** January 27, 2009, 06:56:13 AM »

At least India is a democracy, not a Marxist Socialist one party rule nation. Also, their people are more tolerant of differing religious views without being militant or demanding like the Muslims or atheist like the communist Chinese and non tolerant of any views. India did have Brittish rule for about 100 years. English is also their "official" language, because they have 7 major dialects.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #38 on:** January 27, 2009, 07:03:28 AM »

Why would China want to destroy their biggest market ?
Take away some strength maybe ( like we did Russia ) ( did they read Reagon ) ?

jdt48653 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 27, 2009, 10:05:50 AM »

remember,these codes apply to food products,may not be accurate with other goods!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #40 on:** January 28, 2009, 03:08:04 AM »

thanks

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 28, 2009, 05:30:33 AM »

to reduce it to numbers us versus them is just distorted thinking ..both sides got the numbers..2 billion bunny rabits are not gonna whip 1 billion coyote..
besides we are really talking,about our realizing that they are slowly winning the war without firing a shot..any military expert can affirm that chinas numbers only mattered as they needed more space for population..
was a time when a million with aks would be unbeatable ..that time has passed..
have you not heard of the bomb that blinds an whole army .. gurrilla warfare experts are the future..and it aint just blending with the bush around you any more..still if it came to it ..an invading force would only overcome an american organized resistance thru treason of us citizens...

Oldshooter · « **Reply #42 on:** January 28, 2009, 06:16:15 AM »

"american organized resistance thru treason of us citizens..."

You know that scares the hell outa me cause there are koolaid drinkers here that would do just that!

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 28, 2009, 11:10:16 AM »

not sure what you sayin there brother but.. my use of the treason word was as what the tories did during the revolutinary war..
our media is controlled mostly by the left and no matter which party is in office thier goal seems always to show the failing of a freely elected representative government..thier power to controll the minds of our population is tremendous..we all know what the far left wants as an government.. elections would be just a formality in hard socialism at its worst..also true treason by the media.. at least as far as the founders had in mind at the begining of this representative government experiment..

Oldshooter · « **Reply #44 on:** January 28, 2009, 11:23:08 AM »

Quote from: slim rem 7 on January 28, 2009, 11:10:16 AM

not sure what you sayin there brother but.. my use of the treason word was as what the tories did during the revolutinary war..
our media is controlled mostly by the left and no matter which party is in office thier goal seems always to show the failing of a freely elected representative government..thier power to controll the minds of our population is tremendous..we all know what the far left wants as an government.. elections would be just a formality in hard socialism at its worst..also true treason by the media.. at least as far as the founders had in mind at the begining of this representative government experiment..

Yes i agree totally, Sorry, I use the term koolaid drinkers to refer to those very same folk (Remember the poor bastards in Jonestown, that drank the koolaid for jim jones.

WylieKy · « **Reply #45 on:** January 29, 2009, 07:16:56 AM »

Quote from: slim rem 7 on January 28, 2009, 05:30:33 AM

to reduce it to numbers us versus them is just distorted thinking ..both sides got the numbers..2 billion bunny rabbits are not gonna whip 1 billion coyote..

2 billion bunnies can't whip 1 billion coyotes....but then that's only 2 to 1, and bunnies are not Chinamen. The Chinese military is perfectly competent. Not exceptional, but com pitant. Just ask any of the Korea vets on-line... Can they beat us 1 to 1? Hell no, but 3-4 to 1? Probably. And they really don't care how many people they lose. Foreigners are foreign. They don't have a "left leaning media" they have media that says exactly what the government tells them to say, when they tell them to say it. GBO is blocked there, so is any non-state news agency. In Iraq we have lost what 5-6k soldiers since 2003 and people are rioting in the streets, China could lose 350,000 in a week and the "people" would never know.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 29, 2009, 09:29:35 AM »

+1 Wylie....Estimated 2008 census shows China at 1.3billion. US at 330 million. 4 to 1 advantage China.

Slim - in order to have and win a war soldiers have to move in and occupy the ground. We do not have enough men/women to put on the ground to occupy China. We could kill the equivalent in numbers of our entire population and China would still have a billion people.

First strike? Better make sure every nuke in China (and in their subs) is destroyed. Otherwise their "second strike" will devastate the US.

All out nuke war? US would be hurt so badly we would not be able to fight effectively in the future. China, like a nest of cockroaches would survive and continue to multiply.

If we did end up crippling each other then the Muslims around the world would be singing praises to allah and then try to take over.

Just my thoughts.......a war with China would be very bad indeed .

Graybeard · « **Reply #47 on:** January 29, 2009, 01:40:57 PM »

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GBO is blocked

Clearly not as we get spammers from China registering here regularly.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #48 on:** January 29, 2009, 04:11:03 PM »

Since I first stated in my first post. War with China would be very bad. Like said by another member they could destroy and kill all of us and they would will be a billion strong. They are not going away. I understand the saying don't bite the had that feeds you but that is just what they have become because of us. We made them what they are. We can not take it back now. I heard somewhere the yellow man will rule the Earth. I really don't know where I heard it but it seems to be coming true. With their numbers our only chance would be an all out nuclear war. I just hope there are more of us left than them. By the way If we would launch an all out strike. I hope we launch against all the middle east at the same time. This way the Muslims will not be the dominate human race. I will smile from Heaven seeing the Muslims destroyed.

Dale

BBF · « **Reply #49 on:** January 30, 2009, 07:00:33 AM »

The very idea of having a "nuke duke it out" conflict is so asinine it passes comprehension.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #50 on:** January 30, 2009, 07:31:59 AM »

bbf , just saber rattling !

WylieKy · « **Reply #51 on:** January 30, 2009, 07:34:24 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on January 29, 2009, 01:40:57 PM

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GBO is blocked

Clearly not as we get spammers from China registering here regularly.

Maybe their government? I don't know. Maybe different citizens (or foreign nationals) have different access. I know I was having a discussion with my friend and sent him a link to a post here and the site was blocked for him.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #52 on:** January 30, 2009, 08:23:07 AM »

Nuclear war does not mean complete destruction. They wipe out our navy with nukes, our air force and army bases, then march in with their overwhelming manpower. Remember we don't have but about half the nukes we had during the Reagan era, maybe less. A lot of natural resources in America, coal, still some oil, natural gas, fertile farmland to provide food for the Chinese masses. Once they get past the west coast population centers the mountain and plains states are sparsly populated until about the Mississippi River. Half of Americas people live in large cities, the other half in rural areas and small towns. They could even wipe out the larger cities and the countryside is ripe for masses of Chinese. China was developing crusie missles to be launched from their submarines. These are hard to detect except with Doplar radar from space. They have already learned how to destroy satelites. They would be more apt to attack us than the Russians purely because of their overwhelming manpower, once they think they have enough parity with our military.

BBF · « **Reply #53 on:** January 30, 2009, 09:04:00 AM »

The trouble with sabre rattling is that one side will rattle more then the other. That leads to the "other" to show a bit of steel, then there will be more show of steel 'til the sabre is drawn..... You see where I am going with that.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #54 on:** January 30, 2009, 09:25:09 AM »

what are they going to knock out our subs with ? and how will they get here ? walk over the north pole ?
They may have a billion people but they are concentrated in a small area , like the bulls eye on a target .
They have nukes but so far they don't seem to have a good delivery system ( read accurate by our standards ) .
Guess they could pack them in container boxes and ship um over . Troops or nukes .

Skunk · « **Reply #55 on:** January 30, 2009, 09:45:06 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 30, 2009, 09:25:09 AM

They have nukes but so far they don't seem to have a good delivery system ( read accurate by our standards).

I have nothing to back it up with at this time, but SHOOTALL could be right about this. Last I heard is that their first strike could take out parts of our West Coast at best. Our counterstrike would/could then blow China right off the map.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #56 on:** January 30, 2009, 10:04:58 AM »

Then also consider we are the only nation to attack an adversary with a nuke PERIOD !
ASK JAPAN was it worth attacking the U.S.A. !

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #57 on:** January 30, 2009, 10:08:51 AM »

My thinking is that China has so many people, and if they build up their nuclear capability and submarine force, they might decide to try. With their "hive" mentality and so many mouths to feed, they might decide loosing half their population would be worth taking us, just so they can spread out.

WylieKy · « **Reply #58 on:** January 30, 2009, 10:28:44 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 30, 2009, 09:25:09 AM

They may have a billion people but they are concentrated in a small area , like the bulls eye on a target .

Not at all, their population is widely dispursed. Here is a list of the 10 most populated cities in the world...
1. Tokyo, Japan - 28,025,000
2. Mexico City, Mexico - 18,131,000
3. Mumbai, India - 18,042,000
4. Sáo Paulo, Brazil - 17, 711,000
5. New York City, USA - 16,626,000
6. Shanghai, China - 14,173,000
7. Lagos, Nigeria - 13,488,000
8. Los Angeles, USA - 13,129,000
9. Calcutta, India - 12,900,000
10. Buenos Aires, Argentina - 12,431,000

As you can see, China with a population 3-4 times ours has 1 city and the USA has two. The US is actually much more segregated in its population (Urban/Suburban vs. Rural) than China. We are much more "bulls-eye" oriented than they are.

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 30, 2009, 09:25:09 AM

They have nukes but so far they don't seem to have a good delivery system ( read accurate by our standards ).

They have delivery systems in every strip mall in the US. They're called Chinese food restaurants. Why spend billions on designing a rocket that can be detected and shot down when they can simply ship 10-20 warheads over here, have them delivered to the sleeper cell restaurants and time them to go off at the same time. Imagine losing NY, DC, Chicago, San Antonio, Houston, LA, Cincinnati, Miami, St Louis, Detroit, etc in the span of a couple of minutes. If we can't stop random illegal aliens with no education from crossing our border, what are the chances of stopping a dedicated enemy?

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 30, 2009, 10:04:58 AM

Then also consider we are the only nation to attack an adversary with a nuke PERIOD !
ASK JAPAN was it worth attacking the U.S.A. !

Japan didn't have nukes.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #59 on:** January 30, 2009, 10:31:17 AM »

After a nuke exchange what would be left to spread ? A few sub loads of ICBM's sent their way would ensure not many would be left to make the trip or boats to bring them . And we haven't mentioned the carriers yet .
Keep in mind in the intrest of fair play we haven't flexed our might since we dropped the big ones in WW-2 . It would be a real big bang if we pull out the stops !
S. Palin can tell ya Russia is in sight of the USA and they backed off !
many times Cuba is an example . Tiwan will be the line in the sand .
Check history China uses other countries to fight its wars Korea , Viet Nam etc. . Toe to Toe yet to come . maybe it will but both sides will pay along with the rest of the world .