Author Topic: High School Team apologizes for 100-0 win (Read 2810 times)

williamlayton · « **Reply #30 on:** January 25, 2009, 12:48:34 AM »

It is a bitter pill the winners swallowed.
What seemed like fun and was building their pride turned on them in the end and left them with nothing but shame for inflicting such a weighted score against such an underclassed foe.
Now there is also a lesson for the defeated team, and they seemed at peace with it, if your gonna compete you are not assured that all opponents will abide by good sportsmanship. If they do not then just bite the bullet and don't complain. Seems this is what they have done.
Having fought, and lost, some battles wherein I knew, going in, that the odds were stacked against me, Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.
I don't know if it built character in me, at the time it just seemed as I was pretty stupid.
Blessings

billy_56081 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:11:03 AM »

So good sportsmanship is not playing to the best of your abilities?

I'm starting to see the whole problem with America right here in this thread. Now you guys don't you work to the best of your abilities in your jobs, you wouldn't want the lazy slacker to feel you were out working them.

Also don't do the best for your kids when you raise them, its not fair to the children who have drunks and druggies for parents that you pay so much attention to yours.

Now to remedy this , lets do like the liberals are already doing, don't keep score. We wouldn't want anyone to lose and feel bad now would we?

If anyone should be ashamed of this game it should be the coaches for the losing team. If this team is this bad, the coaches knew it and put them in this game anyways. They needed to look for some much poorer competition for this team so they don't get slaughtered. Can you imagine how embarrassed the kids on the losing team are after this is being covered all over the US?

This school is not a school for the blind or handicapped, if the information I was givin was right, they have things like dyslexia and the old made up BS disorder called ADHD. Now I have a nephew that had dyslexia, I would put him up in a game of one on one with anyone here. You people are really helping these kids out, now not only do they have the nationwide shame of this sad game, but you are talking about them as if they were retarded or handicapped.

wareagleguy · « **Reply #32 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:23:35 AM »

Reading these replys lets me know why this country is in a mess. It is a backetball game folks! The school is to educate the kids and made good productive people out of them. Yea, you see mom and dad break a neck to watch a damn ball game but try and get the one in a parent teacher meeting? Sports in school teaches more than just beating the crap out of someone. If you simply don't understand that then you are part of the problem!!!

powderman · « **Reply #33 on:** January 25, 2009, 03:47:27 AM »

I've tried to access this thread for 2 days and gotten, either cannot open, or page not found. I can obviously open page 2. This isn't the only thread I've had do this. What gives?

POWDERMAN.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #34 on:** January 25, 2009, 04:24:40 AM »

Quote from: powderman on January 25, 2009, 03:47:27 AM

I've tried to access this thread for 2 days and gotten, either cannot open, or page not found. I can obviously open page 2. This isn't the only thread I've had do this. What gives? POWDERMAN.

You may try cleaning your cookies and deleting temporary internet files. I have problems with things loading when it is to full. Dale

SM Bob · « **Reply #35 on:** January 25, 2009, 09:24:45 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton on January 23, 2009, 02:45:33 PM

The school which lost did not complain.
They have a specialized school for children with learning disorders, ADD, dyslexia. They are inferior in a number of areas. Inferior in number of students, and athletic ability.
The school which won has remorse for taking advantage, piling on point.
The school which lost played as well as they could.
No one was begging them too take it easy and the losing school took it in stride. They play for the fun.
The winning school should feel some remorse for piling on---I think a forfeit is a little overkill but the team suggested this. It probably won't happen.
The winning team just let their pride take over a bit and they learned a hard lesson.
Blessings

I say shame on the losing schools administration for putting these girls
in a situation way over their heads! "They haven't won a game in 3 years."
Then why are they playing in this league? Maybe they should move to
an easier league or cancel the program altogether. Hey, if you and a few
of your buddies played a top college or a pro team the same thing would
happen to you. If it did you would probably say to yourself, " Maybe we're
in a little over our heads here. We need to go play in a local rec league or somewhere where the players abilities are closer to ours." Maybe this team
might want to play exhibition type games only. That way the girls could
have fun and there would be no pressure on either team to win. They are
playing in a league now where every game counts for every team. It's called
competition. The goal for every player and every team should be to win
every game and win a championship. Clearly the winning team ran the
score up. Should they apologize? In my opinion, no. Should the winning
team forfeit the game? Definitely, HELL NO! If anything the losing school's administration should apologize to these girls for putting them in a situation
like this. Shame on them! There are many other activities that these girls could participate in that wouldn't subject them to this constant ongoing humiliation.

Robert

Cement Man · « **Reply #36 on:** January 25, 2009, 10:59:33 AM »

I don't think HS basketball has any more important benefits than to teach sportsmanship, fair play, and being the best that you can be - even if you lose. Maybe this game, and it's outcome was a big lesson for both teams.

williamlayton · « **Reply #37 on:** January 25, 2009, 11:33:59 AM »

Billy you don't deserve another response. I doubt you could read and understand it anyway.

The winning team was not asked too apologize.
The winning team was not asked too forfeit.
The losing team did not complain, or even suggest they would accept a forfeit.

The winners felt remorse and apologized without any one asking them too.
They want to ferfeit.

The losing team doesn't feel bad.
The coaches of the losing team are not in danger of being fired.
The winning coaches feel bad.

It was bad decisions by the winners and they feel bad.

You guys have, obviuosly, never participated in competeive sports.

Now don't come back with stories of glory and titles, I won't believe them.
Blessings

squirrellluck · « **Reply #38 on:** January 25, 2009, 11:52:37 AM »

William, believe what you want. I have played competitive sports from the time I was about 6 until I graduated school. Never in all that time were we expected to play down to another team. We were always taught to play to the best of our ability no matter how good or bad the opposing team played. As I understood the rating system is set up to prevent some of this. A,AA,AAA, etc. Maybe their rating should be looked at in this case.

powderman · « **Reply #39 on:** January 25, 2009, 12:42:51 PM »

DALE. I did that and the first page of this thread still won't load. I've gotten the gist of it though, says not found. POWDERMAN.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #40 on:** January 25, 2009, 12:46:30 PM »

Quote from: powderman on January 25, 2009, 12:42:51 PM

DALE. I did that and the first page of this thread still won't load. I've gotten the gist of it though, says not found. POWDERMAN.

Now that is just weird. It loads for me in a couple seconds. After you cleared everything did you restart your computer? That may help. Especially if you happen to be the type that never turns it off. Dale

Brett · « **Reply #41 on:** January 25, 2009, 01:29:14 PM »

Quote from: squirrellluck on January 25, 2009, 11:52:37 AM

William, believe what you want. I have played competitive sports from the time I was about 6 until I graduated school. Never in all that time were we expected to play down to another team. We were always taught to play to the best of our ability no matter how good or bad the opposing team played. As I understood the rating system is set up to prevent some of this. A,AA,AAA, etc. Maybe their rating should be looked at in this case.

+1

The type of thinking demonstrated in this story is precisely why we tucked tail and ran in Vietnam and why we had to go back to finish the job we started in the Gulf War. What is worse is our leaders have learned nothing because we are about to do it again in Iraq.

wareagleguy · « **Reply #42 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:19:40 PM »

Heather · « **Reply #43 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:21:54 PM »

Quote from: squirrellluck on January 25, 2009, 11:52:37 AM

William, believe what you want. I have played competitive sports from the time I was about 6 until I graduated school. Never in all that time were we expected to play down to another team. We were always taught to play to the best of our ability no matter how good or bad the opposing team played. As I understood the rating system is set up to prevent some of this. A,AA,AAA, etc. Maybe their rating should be looked at in this case.

I played volleyball, basketball, and softball my whole life and am now a little league coach. I also was never asked to play down to another team, and we were always taught to play to the best of our ability no matter how good or bad the opposing team played as well. In every game that I ever played in that it was sure we were going to win, we pulled our best players off of the court/field immediately to allow our 2nd string some play time. In basketball when we played schools we knew couldn't beat us our second string started the game and let our "fav 5" have a night off. We never let another team win, but we had enough humility and honor that we would never walk all over anybody, much less a team who was clearly at a disadvantage. Sportsmanship, honor, humility, and inner strength were taught to be more important than the big W. If a team is composed of nothing but losers and still wins most games. The team may be a winning team, but the players are still losers.

Heather

Heather · « **Reply #44 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:24:17 PM »

Quote from: Brett on January 25, 2009, 01:29:14 PM

Quote from: squirrellluck on January 25, 2009, 11:52:37 AM
William, believe what you want. I have played competitive sports from the time I was about 6 until I graduated school. Never in all that time were we expected to play down to another team. We were always taught to play to the best of our ability no matter how good or bad the opposing team played. As I understood the rating system is set up to prevent some of this. A,AA,AAA, etc. Maybe their rating should be looked at in this case.

+1

The type of thinking demonstrated in this story is precisely why we tucked tail and ran in Vietnam and why we had to go back to finish the job we started in the Gulf War. What is worse is our leaders have learned nothing because we are about to do it again in Iraq.

Geeze...I didn't know that sports were to prepare us for battle. My whole life I always believed that sports helped children learn principles like teamwork, responsibility, sportsmanship, etc. I thought they were teaching me life skills. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Tommyt · « **Reply #45 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:51:28 PM »

The Coach Says He WILL NOT apologize Here it is Guys

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=904560

DALLAS — The coach of a Texas high school basketball team that beat another team 100-0 sent an e-mail to a newspaper saying he will not apologize "for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."
On its Web site last week, the Covenant School of Dallas, a private Christian school, posted a statement regretting the outcome of its Jan. 13 shutout win over Dallas Academy. "It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened. This clearly does not reflect a Christlike and honorable approach to competition," said the statement, signed by Kyle Queal, head of school, and board chair Todd Doshier.

Covenant coach Micah Grimes, who has been criticized for letting the game get so far out of hand, made it clear in the e-mail Sunday to The Dallas Morning News that he does not agree with his school's assessment.

"In response to the statement posted on The Covenant School Web site, I do not agree with the apology or the notion that the Covenant School girls basketball team should feel embarrassed or ashamed," Grimes wrote in the e-mail, according to the newspaper. "We played the game as it was meant to be played. My values and my beliefs would not allow me to run up the score on any opponent, and it will not allow me to apologize for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."

A phone number for Grimes could not be located by The Associated Press. The Dallas Morning News said Grimes did not respond to their repeated e-mail requests for a telephone interview.

Queal did not immediately return a phone message left at his home Sunday afternoon by the AP. There was no answer at a number listed for Doshier.

A parent who attended the game said Covenant continued to make 3-pointers— even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.

Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become one-sided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, said Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools, said last week. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.

The story has received national attention, and the Dallas Academy team has been recognized for refusing to give up during the lopsided contest

JonnyC · « **Reply #46 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:54:29 PM »

Heather - I agree with you 100%. Some of these guys remind me of a coach my son had. There was a soccer game where the kids played against the coaches and parents. My son was 11 at the time. The adult coach had the ball and was on a breakaway when he flattened my son.My son was out cold for several seconds. The coach had the attitude to play your best no matter who the opponent was. WHAT A MAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 25, 2009, 03:11:13 PM »

I'm glad to see that the coach hasn't bowed to pressure. Now the coach that needs to be apologising is the one that put that really poor team in a position where they would play this other team. Sports does teach teamwork, if you look at this game you can see which team, learned the lessons of teamwork and which didn't. I mean was this team so absolutely terrible that they couldn't even get fouled and make even one measly free throw? What shame the coach brought on the players on the losing team.

So when these kids get grown up and enter the job market, should they do only a mediocre job so they don't get ahead of anyone? Well I guess they could be union workers. Hey maybe the losing team here needs to organise into a union and negotiate a few points before the start of a game.

Brett · « **Reply #48 on:** January 25, 2009, 05:09:26 PM »

Quote from: Heather on January 25, 2009, 02:24:17 PM

Quote from: Brett on January 25, 2009, 01:29:14 PM
Quote from: squirrellluck on January 25, 2009, 11:52:37 AM
William, believe what you want. I have played competitive sports from the time I was about 6 until I graduated school. Never in all that time were we expected to play down to another team. We were always taught to play to the best of our ability no matter how good or bad the opposing team played. As I understood the rating system is set up to prevent some of this. A,AA,AAA, etc. Maybe their rating should be looked at in this case.

+1

The type of thinking demonstrated in this story is precisely why we tucked tail and ran in Vietnam and why we had to go back to finish the job we started in the Gulf War. What is worse is our leaders have learned nothing because we are about to do it again in Iraq.

Geeze...I didn't know that sports were to prepare us for battle. My whole life I always believed that sports helped children learn principles like teamwork, responsibility, sportsmanship, etc. I thought they were teaching me life skills. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

In case you hadn't noticed life is a battle Heather.

Should Toyota and Honda start making less reliable less fuel efficient automobiles because they are kicking Ford, Chevy and Chrysler's butts? Should NASA give away technical knowledge to China or Russia because our space program is more advanced than theirs? If I'm being mugged by a guy with a knife should I not go for my gun and pull out my pocket knife instead? Should Matt accept less money for his work because he is brighter or willing to work harder than some of his peers?

I say if the girls who got trounced played to the best of their abilities and the coach did the very best he could with the talent he had available they have nothing to be ashamed of.

SM Bob · « **Reply #49 on:** January 25, 2009, 07:26:31 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on January 25, 2009, 03:11:13 PM

I'm glad to see that the coach hasn't bowed to pressure. Now the coach that needs to be apologising is the one that put that really poor team in a position where they would play this other team. Sports does teach teamwork, if you look at this game you can see which team, learned the lessons of teamwork and which didn't. I mean was this team so absolutely terrible that they couldn't even get fouled and make even one measly free throw? What shame the coach brought on the players on the losing team.

So when these kids get grown up and enter the job market, should they do only a mediocre job so they don't get ahead of anyone? Well I guess they could be union workers. Hey maybe the losing team here needs to organise into a union and negotiate a few points before the start of a game.

+1 Billy!
The losing school's administration is the real culprits here in my opinion.
1. They shouldn't have had these girls playing in a league at this level.
2. The girls coach must have been out to lunch! Like you said, they
couldn't even draw a foul and make one single free throw! Also, maybe
he/she could have called a time out when the other team was scoring
all of these unanswered points. Can't blame the kids for this. That's
lousy coaching in my opinion.
The bottom line here is these kids were not prepared for this competition.
Their school let them down.

Robert

williamlayton · « **Reply #50 on:** January 25, 2009, 10:28:37 PM »

Let's try this approach.
Let's leave the losing school out of the discussion. They have not complained, so let's leave them out of it, and,put our thinking towards all that was right about the winning team.
They were good.
They scored 100 points.
Their defense was great and did not allow a point scored.
They, obviously, are not as pleased with the results as they thought they would be.
If you are training for teamwork, skill, and organization. One team is obviously better,
Of these points there is no question. You don't beat a weaker opponent sensless too prove that.
Now if it is a fight too the death, I agree with you. If it is business, and you conduct business flawlessly and honestly, I agree with you.
I don't see any of those conditions in this scene.
Most of the time, in any scrap, both sides are lucky too come out on top.
Putting this experience up there with business and war is, at least, thinking out of the box.
You may walk around with bravado and such but there is always someone better.
Win with humility is a better attitude.
if this coach is such a great coach with his bravado what the heck is he doing coaching at this level anyway. Maybe some 5A school will hire him now, or college.
You folks are doing a very poor job convincing me of your side of the story.
Blessings

PS
I need too add a story I have never forgotten.
Earl Campbell was a football player at the University of Texas.
He was, perhaps, as punishing a runner as I have ever seen.
Darrell Royal told Earl, when you cross that goal line, act like it is not the first time.
You don't have too humiliate too win.

bubba · « **Reply #51 on:** January 26, 2009, 12:14:36 AM »

so because the losing team has not won a game in 3 years they should cancel the program? What does that tell the participants umm you are losers and cant play anymore. I coached basketball for 4 years. Our first year in a new program we won one game our last year we didnt lose one with the same team. The bottom line is I would take the girls who won one game and worked hard over the ones whos head swelled and thought they were all that. A loss or two is a good thing for reality. Granted 3 years of losses is hard to take, but a forfeit for a win is even harder. Do you rhink that these kids will accept that as a "win"? I seriously doubt it and if I were their coach I would be upsert they were showing pity on us. Come on people this is the reality of life sometimes you win soemtimes you lose when you lose you work harder to win next time.

Brett · « **Reply #52 on:** January 26, 2009, 12:45:19 AM »

I would rather suffer the loss than stoop to winning by charity. If you think that the victory was hollow for the girls who played a shut out game think how hollow a forfeit win would be to the team that got beat on the court.

JonnyC · « **Reply #53 on:** January 26, 2009, 12:51:43 AM »

FOR PETE SAKES === THEY ARE CHIDREN WITH DISABILITIES- NOT THE 10TH MOUNTAIN DIVISION.

Brett · « **Reply #54 on:** January 26, 2009, 01:04:02 AM »

Quote from: JonnyC on January 26, 2009, 12:51:43 AM

FOR PETE SAKES === THEY ARE CHIDREN WITH DISABILITIES- NOT THE 10TH MOUNTAIN DIVISION.

So why aren't they playing against other children with disabilities?

I blame the coach and the school for putting them in this position not the players on either team.

Oldtimer · « **Reply #55 on:** January 26, 2009, 01:09:36 AM »

A local high school football program holds the state record for consecutive losses. They did not win a game for five years. Think about it, players who went through their whole high school careers without a winning game. The team was so bad, people came to the games for the halftime show and would leave the stands when the game restarted. In the past two years, they have been back-to-back state champions.

I think that Heather has the right idea here. The coaches on the winning side should have sat down their starters and let the other kids have a chance to get on the court. Other than that, there is no shame in either losing or winning. The important matter was the kids played to the best of their abilities. One of my daughters went to a college that still holds the record for the most lopsided win in a basketball game, 108 to 3, as I recall. My own college held the national basketball title in 1944, maybe because it had more parents on draft boards.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 26, 2009, 01:41:47 AM »

Quote from: JonnyC on January 26, 2009, 12:51:43 AM

FOR PETE SAKES === THEY ARE CHIDREN WITH DISABILITIES- NOT THE 10TH MOUNTAIN DIVISION.

What are their disabilities? Don't give me this crap about ADHD or dislexia, alot of your best atheltes are listed under that catagory. The kids on the losing team will be failures in life not because of their lack of abilities, but because they have people making excuses for their poor performance in life, not stiving to push them to do better.

Again, I say the coach for the losing team needs to be fired, he put these kids out there to be sacrificed. I also must question his coaching abilities, he has not taught these kids how to play as a team, if he taught them any teamwork what so ever they would have picked up some fouls and made a few free throws.

Hey lets just give them the win and 50 free points to start each game, they will be our future union workers.

gypsyman · « **Reply #57 on:** January 26, 2009, 02:06:15 AM »

Sounds like we have two high schools mismatched as far as size/ability. Be like a college football team playing a middle school team. I don't think either side has anything to apoligize for. If both teams did their best, so be it. What I'ld like to know is, which high school has a better academic record. While playing sports will teach teamwork and sportsmanship, the real reason is for a good education. I'ld rather my child go to a school with a better scholastic program, than an athletic one. gypsyman

Tommyt · « **Reply #58 on:** January 26, 2009, 02:41:17 AM »

Our Local news just said they Fired the Coach for an email he made stating that he disliked the Idea of the School apologizing about the Game
Now you have a good Coach sent home because some Parents are whining

you can go here www.myfoxtampabay.com/ and click "as seen on TV"

Dee · « **Reply #59 on:** January 26, 2009, 03:10:30 AM »

I personally think that ALL ball sports should be played like T-Ball. Let everyone shoot their baskets unhindered, don't keep score, and give trophies to EVERYONE. Dribbling shouldn't be required in basketball, tackling should be allowed in football, (someone might fall and hurt themselves), and hockey should have on honorary goalies. Also the skates should be inspected to make sure their not sharp. Better yet, hockey on ice should be outlawed. Some of the players could catch cold and be traumatized.
Much adieu is made out of this by the ADULTS. I haven't heard a kid complain yet! It would seem the ADULTS need to read 1st Corinthians Chapter 13 verse 11. NO! I am not trying to turn this into a Bible study, just putting age old PERSPECTIVE on the issue.
I personally think too much is made of sports. Hunting, fishing, gardening, and self-help skills would be far more valuable. And yes, I know kids have to play, but 6 year olds at one time in our country knew how to load a muzzle loader, kill and dress a deer, and help feed the family. Now their helpless athletes and game boy players. Of course this is just MY opinion.