Author Topic: This has to stop!!!!!!!!!!! (Read 7011 times)

Graybeard · « **Reply #30 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:10:01 PM »

Dale you REALLY need to engage your brain before typing on that keyboard. You have now joined the ranks of PETA and the rest of the animal rights anti hunting/fishing/trapping crowd in my mind.

What the hell? Have you ever gone fishing? Did you use live bait if so? Then you cruel mean person STOP IT NOW. Geez get a clue animals do not have rights people do. What possible difference can it make what you use for live bait when fishing? Do you think it more humane to put that hook thru a worm, cricket, minnow or whatever else you use?

Anyone who fishes with live bait understands up front that they are putting a hook thru a living critter and tossing it into the water to use as bait. You must know that it might die of the damage done by the hook, it might drown and regardless it's gonna be eaten and torn to shreds by that fish you wanna catch.

If you are NOT OK with that they don't fish, don't hunt, join PETA and find an anti hunting, anti fishing anti trapping site to frequent.

Damn I am so sick and tired of folks fawning over cats and dogs and such as if they are some special creation above humans. They are merely animals put on this earth and man was given dominion over them by GOD to use and do with as we see fit.

If you can't see that you just fell into PETA's trap then you really need to rethink your outlook on life.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #31 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:18:12 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on January 27, 2009, 01:10:01 PM

Dale you REALLY need to engage your brain before typing on that keyboard. You have now joined the ranks of PETA and the rest of the animal rights anti hunting/fishing/trapping crowd in my mind.

What the hell? Have you ever gone fishing? Did you use live bait if so? Then you cruel mean person STOP IT NOW. Geez get a clue animals do not have rights people do. What possible difference can it make what you use for live bait when fishing? Do you think it more humane to put that hook thru a worm, cricket, minnow or whatever else you use?

Anyone who fishes with live bait understands up front that they are putting a hook thru a living critter and tossing it into the water to use as bait. You must know that it might die of the damage done by the hook, it might drown and regardless it's gonna be eaten and torn to shreds by that fish you wanna catch.

If you are NOT OK with that they don't fish, don't hunt, join PETA and find an anti hunting, anti fishing anti trapping site to frequent.

Damn I am so sick and tired of folks fawning over cats and dogs and such as if they are some special creation above humans. They are merely animals put on this earth and man was given dominion over them by GOD to use and do with as we see fit.

If you can't see that you just fell into PETA's trap then you really need to rethink your outlook on life.

GB. I am an avid fisherman. I have fished all my life. Like I stated above I have no problem putting a hook through a worm, magot, minnow or a live shrimp. This is completely different in my eyes. Oh and by the way I hate PETA and the tree hugging crowd. So trust me when I say I have not joined them in the least. Dale

45-70.gov · « **Reply #32 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:26:51 PM »

[/quote]GB. I am an avid Risher .....Oh and by the way I hate PETA and the tree hugging crowd. So trust me when I say I have not joined them in the least. Dale
[/quote]

YOU JUST STARTED A FUND REAISER FOR THEM HERE

Graybeard · « **Reply #33 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:34:05 PM »

Well Dale joined them or not you're sure singing their tune and if you don't understand that then I sure can't help you get there. All those critters are the same only the PETA types see a difference.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #34 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:34:22 PM »

When I said that I had no idea they had anything to do with PETA. Dale

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #35 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:37:59 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on January 27, 2009, 01:34:05 PM

Well Dale joined them or not you're sure singing their tune and if you don't understand that then I sure can't help you get there. All those critters are the same only the PETA types see a difference.

So GB. I have to ask. Do you see any difference between a worm and a cat? I have even shot a few cats but would never put one on a hook for bait would you? Dale

Cheesehead · « **Reply #36 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:40:14 PM »

Dale,

Did you send money to someone about this? You encouraged us to.

Cheese

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #37 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:43:24 PM »

No I have no spare money and would not now knowing what I know now. I retract that statement. Dale

30-30man · « **Reply #38 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:45:41 PM »

The response I get from animal control in my area makes me wonder sometimes. We have a great deal of irresponsible pet owners in my area. We see stray cats all the time. I've called our county animal shelter several times with very negative responses from them. They claim if a cat is on your property more than three days, you are the new owner. They don't care if they were closed for weeks over the holidays.They rather you ride down the road and drop them off by a neighborhood than take them in. I guess that's why we see so many strays in our area. I think fishing is cruel but why not just kill them first and fish with a dead cat. It can't make much difference. Smells like PETA BS to me.

lrs · « **Reply #39 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:46:18 PM »

I have stuck hooks in all types of baits normally used in fishing. I have killed more game than I can recall. And my days of an outdoorsman are not finished.
To me, there's something kind of sick about putting a hook through a mammal, and casting it into the water.
I don't think fish perceive pain the same as mammals. I have actually given thought to this, and have carefully watched fish that I have hooked. Their reaction indicates to me, they do not seem to feel pain as you and I would. I can't swear to it, but I do believe it.
I know that a cat, dog, or what have you, would feel the penetration of a hook and it would cause agony for the animal, and it would be immediately obvious. In addition, you are then throwing it into water, for the animal is not equipped to breathe.
I believe in God of course, but I think you are being wreckless describing our dominion over animals.
Most outdoorsmen I have known, do everything in their power, to treat and harvest animals as humanely as possible.
We have the ability to cause animals great sufferin

powderman · « **Reply #40 on:** January 27, 2009, 02:36:44 PM »

DALE. I can't see the videos, I was merely responding to Swampmans post. I do know guys who have used live mice for bait, I have not though, and don't think I would want to. You are easily influenced my friend. Don't take everything so seriously. POWDERMAN.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #41 on:** January 27, 2009, 03:43:08 PM »

that would just be ''the cats meow'' for gator fishing

i hooked a gator with a chicken neck once they are attracted to movement

they put up a good fight...it was 4ft 6 in

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #42 on:** January 27, 2009, 04:21:14 PM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on January 27, 2009, 03:43:08 PM

that would just be ''the cats meow'' for gator fishing

i hooked a gator with a chicken neck once they are attracted to movement

they put up a good fight...it was 4ft 6 in

Tim you got me thinking about gators now. I remember walking the trails of Fort Clinch national park there in Fernandina Beach Fl. It was normal to run accross a gator or 2. Is this still the case there. Dale

45-70.gov · « **Reply #43 on:** January 27, 2009, 04:28:02 PM »

yes and they are bigger than my kayak too

kinda scary when the sun is setting and your in htere with them

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #44 on:** January 27, 2009, 04:32:29 PM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on January 27, 2009, 04:28:02 PM

yes and they are bigger than my kayak too

kinda scary when the sun is setting

I allways wondered why I have never heard of any attacks there? Even then I saw some 8 or 10 feet long. I was as close as 10 feet away at the time to. Of course when I did see the bigger ones I did not hang around poking sticks at them. Dale

45-70.gov · « **Reply #45 on:** January 27, 2009, 04:38:53 PM »

they can out run a horse i heard

i don't like them....except on the grill

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #46 on:** January 27, 2009, 04:40:25 PM »

Yea I had Gator tail a few times down there. Dale

Sourdough · « **Reply #47 on:** January 27, 2009, 04:45:03 PM »

Dale: These videos make their rounds regulerly. They are fake, but they do their job of getting people to donate large sums of money to Friends of Animals, The Humane Society of the United States, People For The Ethical Treatment Of Animals (PETA), and other frienge groups. Feels nice to be decieved Huh. In the future check it out closer rather than jump on emotion.

The animal shelters have ways of not letting kittens out to these folks anyway. Go to the4 sdhelters and ask, they will tell you how they prevent this.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #48 on:** January 27, 2009, 05:08:43 PM »

Quote from: Sourdough on January 27, 2009, 04:45:03 PM

Dale: These videos make their rounds regulerly. They are fake, but they do their job of getting people to donate large sums of money to Friends of Animals, The Humane Society of the United States, People For The Ethical Treatment Of Animals (PETA), and other frienge groups. Feels nice to be decieved Huh. In the future check it out closer rather than jump on emotion.

The animal shelters have ways of not letting kittens out to these folks anyway. Go to the4 sdhelters and ask, they will tell you how they prevent this.

Yes I have been deceived. I was also upset when I started this thread. This is not sportsman like at all. Dale

gdolby · « **Reply #49 on:** January 27, 2009, 05:09:21 PM »

Good day to all, I am with Graybeard on this one. I dont go out of my way to mistreat critters. I figure if thay aint mine is not any of my business and if they are strays is kind of free choice. I have a barn cat that has anywhere from 6 to 8 at a time and must have 6 litters a year...........so if anyone runs short of cats because these guys use them for bait, let me know will be glad to help you out and donate as many as you want. My dad used to tell me dont believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see. That was before either one of us had even heard of a computer. I dont believe nothing I see on here..........Bill

Graybeard · « **Reply #50 on:** January 27, 2009, 05:19:51 PM »

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So GB. I have to ask. Do you see any difference between a worm and a cat? I have even shot a few cats but would never put one on a hook for bait would you? Dale

No Dale I see no difference between a cat and a worm other than the worm is slimy and the cat is furry and cuddly and that is how Walt Disney and PETA have swayed folks like you into believing they are somehow special. Cats are NOT little humans in fur ya know. They are just critters.

More over they are NOT even a natural part of our evironment they are imports exotics that do not belong here and especially do not belong running free. They kill millions perhaps hundreds of millions of wild critters annually that DO BELONG in our environment.

If it were me making laws I'd make it a law that any cat seen off the property of its owner was to be instantly shot.

lrs if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to think that fish have no feeling then you go right on with that false belief but they have feelings and do feel pain same as mammals. Just because humans are classifieds by science as a mammal does not mean all mammals are little humans or that they rate any special treatment over and above that of animals that are not mammals.

I guess to you its OK for feral cats to kill birds and mice and squirrels and chipmunks and rabbits and other things that are a natural part of our environment but not ok to kill cats. I guess they are to be left to run amuck and kill as they wish. Cats are one of the few animals besides man that kills for sport not food.

I'd wipe every one of them from the face of the earth if I had my way. We have wild felines that belong in the environment here but cats and cuddly little kitties folks keep at home do not.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #51 on:** January 27, 2009, 05:31:40 PM »

OK GB. I really have no problem shooting a cat. This all is for not at this point because this video has been debunked by others. My problem is if the video was real and people were using them for bait. That is cruel. They suffer and that is wrong. When I or you shoot one it is over in an instant. If you are going to kill a cat shoot it don't put it on a hook. Dale

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #52 on:** January 28, 2009, 01:58:28 AM »

CAMP HUNTER , what do i call them - lucky !
bait is bait - a life is a life Only God can judge which better !

williamlayton · « **Reply #53 on:** January 28, 2009, 02:18:50 AM »

Pets are pets. From Alligators to Zebra's.
To say that a cat can't be a pet and should be exterminated is a little bit different than I can go.
I guess that I am with the PETA folks on this one.
You do it your way.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #54 on:** January 28, 2009, 02:31:13 AM »

one pet does not make all cats pets .

AND YES I WILL DO IT MY WAY !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 28, 2009, 02:33:06 AM »

I wonder if this will work for muskies? How do they use a fishing kite?

Swampman · « **Reply #56 on:** January 28, 2009, 02:37:32 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on January 27, 2009, 05:19:51 PM

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So GB. I have to ask. Do you see any difference between a worm and a cat? I have even shot a few cats but would never put one on a hook for bait would you? Dale

No Dale I see no difference between a cat and a worm other than the worm is slimy and the cat is furry and cuddly and that is how Walt Disney and PETA have swayed folks like you into believing they are somehow special. Cats are NOT little humans in fur ya know. They are just critters.

More over they are NOT even a natural part of our evironment they are imports exotics that do not belong here and especially do not belong running free. They kill millions perhaps hundreds of millions of wild critters annually that DO BELONG in our environment.

If it were me making laws I'd make it a law that any cat seen off the property of its owner was to be instantly shot.

lrs if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to think that fish have no feeling then you go right on with that false belief but they have feelings and do feel pain same as mammals. Just because humans are classifieds by science as a mammal does not mean all mammals are little humans or that they rate any special treatment over and above that of animals that are not mammals.

I guess to you its OK for feral cats to kill birds and mice and squirrels and chipmunks and rabbits and other things that are a natural part of our environment but not ok to kill cats. I guess they are to be left to run amuck and kill as they wish. Cats are one of the few animals besides man that kills for sport not food.

I'd wipe every one of them from the face of the earth if I had my way. We have wild felines that belong in the environment here but cats and cuddly little kitties folks keep at home do not.

I love this post!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #57 on:** January 28, 2009, 02:38:56 AM »

billy , die them red and white !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 28, 2009, 02:42:12 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 28, 2009, 02:38:56 AM

billy , die them red and white !

Well if I can find a white one the red part will be easy.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #59 on:** January 28, 2009, 02:50:36 AM »

really !

that brings up the ? why waste moving targets to use for bait .