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what to plant for winter
« on: January 28, 2009, 04:09:21 PM »
Hello, I was wondering if anybody has any ideas on what I can plant in my woods to help the deer thru the winter. I have 100 acres of woods with a few small clearings in the middle of Wisconsin. at Christmas the snow was around 2 feet deep and the deer were scrounging for leftover acorns.I havent been back sinc but will try this weekend.  are there any food plots, trees, shrubs ect that I can put in to help them out? So far all I've done is planted 6 apple trees last year, but they wont bear fruit for a couple years yet.
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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 12:27:22 AM »
By location, I have a decidedly "Southern" planting perspective and am hoping that this Forum's "Northern" contingent will weigh in on this.

In the mean time, may I recommend that you also post your request on the http://www.qdma.com/ Forums page "Food Plots for Whitetails".

Those farming folks, particularly from WI and the UP, can help you with their tremendous whitetail experience and advice.  You don't have to be a member, just post up. 

Then let everyone here know what you decided. 

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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 05:15:23 AM »
I suspect honeysuckle should grow up there and if so it's an excellent source of food for deer. So is greenbriar also called sawbriar and smilax I think. When snows get that deep you need plants that grow tall enough to be out of the snow for them I'd think. They also eat sumac berries and branch tips quite well and that too should grow in your area.

It is hard for us from the south to relate to the needs of those of you in the north. We've not had two feet of snow all combined since that one big one during the blizzard of '93.


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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 03:37:49 PM »
Thanks, Gentlemen, I'll check them out :)
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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 03:48:56 PM »
Hello brothers. I live in Northern NY, about 1 1/2 hours South of Montreal. I have been planting spring, summer, and fall plots for years. I have found that the deer really appreciate early green forage (clover, chicory, etc), as well as summer (beans, peas, corn), and I do plant fall winter wheat and rye. However, I have not successfully provided winter forage through planting thus far. The frosts come early, snow gets high, and Jaunary this year had many feet of ice, snow, and very cold.  Granted, the deer have survived many generations without my help, but here's what I have found helps them most...A few years ago, during a harsh winter, we had a very devastating ice storm. roads were cut off from fallen branches and trees, powerlines. My young boy and I sat listening all night to mature trees crashing to the ground that night.  However, the next day was sunny and beautiful. We looked out the window, and counted 20 different deer coming from all over to browse the fallen branches.  I mean they came from all over, and simply browsed from blow down to blow down.  from that day on, since my food plots arent helping in the dead of winter, I have simply selectively felled some trees on the property. The deer demolish it, it doesn interfere with their winter digestive enzymes (like feeding corn can), and I have firewood for next year, as well as brush piles to heap up for wildlife cover.  For me, it is an economical, benfecial way of helping the herd through winter, and sure is a lot less work and expense than planting plots that dont produce forage in the dead of winter. I wonder what you fellas think about this. I am no game biologist, but am a student of the hunting/management game, and it makes sense to me, and seems to work well.

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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2009, 03:51:10 PM »
I went out to the property  today. just walked the logging road and didn't really get off the path to see how things were. However, every pine tree I could see was stripped bare of needles up to about 6 feet high, and I did find one recently dead doe :'( Can't garuntee if she starved or the coyotes got her though.
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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2009, 03:40:00 PM »
in that kind of climate i cant see anything lasting thru the winter as deer food other than standing unharvested corn or milo.yu need something that will be available even with 1 to 2 feet of snow on the ground. thats a tall bill to fill. let us know what yu find.

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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2009, 07:49:00 PM »
Start a small logging operation, woods should be thinned anyway. Selective cut does not always mean the best is cut, take out the junk so the good trees do better. Where popple and balsam are located, clear cut a few acres every 5 years, the deer can reach the new shoots in the winter and makes cover for grouse. If the deer are browsing on pine they are starting to starve. Cedar and hemlock are preferred survival food, in fact there is no more natural regeneration of these two species in Wi except the indian reservations where deer numbers are suppressed. In the northwoods deer are edge animals, so you make square edges. Hope this helps.

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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2009, 12:28:11 AM »
Quote from: KAYR1
...here's what I have found helps them most...I have simply selectively felled some trees on the property. The deer demolish it, it doesn interfere with their winter digestive enzymes (like feeding corn can), and I have firewood for next year, as well as brush piles to heap up for wildlife cover.

KAYR1 makes a very good suggestion.  By observation, it is perfect and natural and another "tool" in the food plotters manual.

We're still looking for that winter cornucopia though...the one that does it all.

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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009, 04:29:27 AM »
One idea for the winter in snow coutry would be willow or red stem ceanothus.  When they get too tall or the stems too thick and woody just cut them off and they resprout.  Both can easily stand 4 ot 6 feet or more out of the ground and should be available even in snowcover.   I am retired now but I worked for the forest service for 30 years and we did a lot of wildlife burns to regenerate and get this kind of brouse to resprout.  I do the same thing on a smaller scale on my own property.  About every couple of years I cut back the willow and through a cup or two of 16-16-16  fertilizer on it.    Your concern for the deer in the winter is very valid.  If they don't make it through the winter, it dosen't matter what you plant in the summer.....

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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2009, 11:20:07 AM »
This discussion reminded me of what an old-timer told me years ago, look for red stemmed plants in the north to find the deer. Would this red stem be a type of Red Willow? Black Berry bushes by us are browsed heavy in winter. Logging also releases this to grow. Also blackberry are red. One other plant up here fits the red stem description, can't place it now.

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Re: what to plant for winter
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 05:39:49 AM »
The Red Stem Ceanothus I mentioned is not related to willow.  As far as I know out here in this part of the country we have two kinds of Ceanothus,  Red Stem and Shinny Leaf.  If the sead source is there, both come back thick after a fire.   Of the two only Red Stem is palitable to wildlife.   Both can get several feet high and so thick you can't walk through it.