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« on: January 28, 2009, 05:03:34 PM »
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A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

PROPOSING THE DISSOLUTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS OCCUR.

(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)

Whereas, on July 4, 1776, our founding fathers proclaimed that the people had the right to alter or abolish their government and declared thirteen British colonies to be free and independent, or sovereign, states; and

Whereas, on March 1, 1781, the thirteen states formed a central government they called the United States of America under a charter known as the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, which stated that "each state retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence"; and

Whereas, on September 17, 1787, the leaders of the Continental Congress signed the present Constitution of the United States, which was then transmitted to the thirteen states for ratification and the formation of a new central government; and

Whereas, several of the states delayed ratification of the Constitution and three states made clear their position regarding sovereignty by stating that "the powers of government may be resumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness"; and

Whereas, eventually all thirteen of the independent states ratified the Constitution of the United States and joined the new Union, while retaining their sovereignty as states. The states made the new central government sovereign only to the extent that the states delegated to it limited and specific powers; and

Whereas, the Constitution of the United States is merely a treaty among sovereigns, and under treaty law when one party violates the treaty the other parties are automatically released from further adherence to it unless they wish to continue; and

Whereas, the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the treaty have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders; and

Whereas, under Article V, Constitution of the United States, three-fourths of the states may abolish the federal government. In the alternative, if the states choose to exercise their inherent right as sovereigns, fewer than thirty-eight states may lawfully choose to ignore Article V, Constitution of the United States, and establish a new federal government for themselves by following the precedent established by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded the Articles.

Therefore

Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the State of Arizona, the Senate concurring:

1. That when or if the President of the United States, the Congress of the United States or any other federal agent or agency declares the Constitution of the United States to be suspended or abolished, if the President or any other federal entity attempts to institute martial law or its equivalent without an official declaration in one or more of the states without the consent of that state or if any federal order attempts to make it unlawful for individual Americans to own firearms or to confiscate firearms, the State of Arizona, when joined by thirty-four of the other fifty states, declares as follows: that the states resume all state powers delegated by the Constitution of the United States and assume total sovereignty; that the states re-ratify and re-establish the present Constitution of the United States as the charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be followed by the election of a new Congress and President and the reorganization of a new judiciary, similarly following the precedent and procedures of the founding fathers; that individual members of the military return to their respective states and report to the Governor until a new President is elected; that each state assume a negotiated, prorated share of the national debt; that all land within the borders of a state belongs to the state until sold or ceded to the central government by the state's Legislature and Governor; and that once thirty-five states have agreed to form a new government, each of the remaining fifteen be permitted to join the new confederation on application.

2. That the Secretary of State of the State of Arizona transmit copies of this Resolution to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives and each Member of Congress from the State of Arizona.


And Montana is makeing a lot of noise over this stimulus bill , Buckle up !!
In this time i Command ,That you take the Secular to Jerusalem .
There you rid the Holy City of the Scourge of Islam , Make the streets run red with the Blood of those who wish to wash Israel and Christianity from the face of the Earth.
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Re: This Forum may become the Present thing
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2009, 05:31:31 PM »
You are so right it very well might be that we are once again at odds with the folks in DC trying to usurp authority not rightly theirs. I've been predicting for years that the time is drawing near when we must all make a decision to bend to the will of the folks in DC or take up arms and say no more. One day they will come for our guns. When they do each has to make a choice to live or die free cuz if we resist die we shall. The question is how many of them die with each who fights and how long it will go on before they either win and take all or are over thrown and a new and legal government is once again established as it was in the beginning of this nation.

It does seem that the illegality of this last election has caused many folks in a lot of states to begin to resist at the state government level. Times they are gonna get interesting.


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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2009, 05:58:51 PM »
Montana seemed to be at a point of boil over today over this stimulus Bill.
If we were to stop Obama this was the time to do it.
GB living so close to West Texas i can hit it by throwing a rock ,they are also getting to where they are fed up.
Hutchinson said today that its just about time that we can no longer live in the same House together .
50% of the Country has no right to change things like this and expect the other half to accept it.
She said if we don't part as Allies ,we are going to make the Civil War look like a Picnic from what will be coming.

But the Money that runs the City's ,comes from the West and the South ,and Obama will not listen to any peaceful separation.
But today when he met with his Joint Chiefs over the two wars , he asked them about a secession scenario.
It showed he isnt an American and neither are his handlers ,because he thought any revolution would be a bunch of drunk red necks driving around shooting things up.
He hadn't counted on an organized ,well funded Nation within a Nation that simply said they wanted out .
The Joint chiefs told him they had no idea how well they could fair against that ,two wars and no money ?
They told him if they are very large it would be to the safety of the Country that is left, to negotiate something.
They would have the advantage , They know who you are , what every move you make ,they are well armed and they will be fighting for their Freedom.

He didnt reply to that ,but it is time to just separate like the USSR did.
We just really cant keep going like this ,one segment living off the other and its getting worse.
You would think he knew this after reading all those books about Lincoln ,but some people believe he wants a war .
He wants one with the South , you can tell by the way he refers to them as.
I hope this gets better ,Americans are sick of being threatened each day ,no future ,and watching them dismantle everything we ever held dear.
In this time i Command ,That you take the Secular to Jerusalem .
There you rid the Holy City of the Scourge of Islam , Make the streets run red with the Blood of those who wish to wash Israel and Christianity from the face of the Earth.
Constantine III

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2009, 11:24:46 PM »
While I note that this bill has been introduced again and again since the year 2000 by these two guys; it seems to have gone nowhere if you question the Arizona Gov. for this bill.

In point of fact the # 2034 has been used as the # for several different types of bills in AZ. One concerning Judges and one concerning lobbyists as well as the afore stated bill. They all seem to have gone nowhere. Sorry guys but shouldn't this be in the political forum?  ;D

Thanks and with all due respect to those of you from Texas. On the matter of secession there, well it seems like when the feds walked into Waco it would have been a perfect time to stand up for states rights and nobody did, I rest my case. As Charlie Heston said to the boys at Harvard "Our great great granfathers are looking down and are so ashamed of our cowardness."
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