Author Topic: Lead Poisoning??? Please Take a Look (Read 1485 times)

Lane · « **on:** January 29, 2009, 12:31:54 PM »

What do y'all think about this:

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/fish_wildlife/lead/index.htm

Fixed the link!

Hammerspur · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2009, 12:43:05 PM »

Lane,
Dead End on that link.

Lane · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2009, 12:57:20 PM »

Fixed it, sorry

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/fish_wildlife/lead/index.htm

hogrdr · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2009, 03:09:09 PM »

Well I guess since I was raised on venison killed with rifles and soft point bullets for the most part and my dad was I figured out after all these years. My grandad probably died of lead poisoning at the age of 82. My dad would have died of lead poisoning had it not been for the car accident at the age of 69. I'm going to have to accept I'm doomed!

I'm not going give it another second of thought once I click POST.

Hog

tn_junk · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2009, 03:16:23 PM »

My grandfather lived on wild game killed with lead bullets, bacon from hogs he raised himself, and eggs from his chickens.
If would have just eaten better he may have lived a lot longer.

He was six months away from his 100th birthday when he passed.

alan

mirage1988 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2009, 04:06:50 PM »

It actually isn't as far fetched as it might sound. A bullet traveling at 3000 feet per second out of a barrel with a 1 in 18 twist barrel is spinning at 2000 revolutions per second. That is a tremendous amount of centrifugal force once the bullet starts to fragment. Bullet fragments have been found as far as 12 inches from the bullet hole. I know muzzleloaders have a slower velocity and a much slower twist rate but it is still something to think about.

DennyRoark · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2009, 06:40:27 PM »

Your license fees and Pittman-Robertson $$ hard at work! Wait a minute...maybe that explains my anti-social tendencies, inability to remain silent when something needs to be said, and my desire to eat more and more lead infused venison........

Hammerspur · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2009, 11:48:27 PM »

Quote from: DennyRoark on January 29, 2009, 06:40:27 PM

Wait a minute...maybe that explains my desire to eat more and more lead infused venison........

YES, that's it! You've become addicted to the heinous toxicity of lead dependency! All their expensive research and they missed this devastating effect!!

Everyone who has game stored which was harvested with lead bullets should immediately look into having it properly disposed of.
Just let me know where it can be picked up and I'll gladly see to it for all my friends here.

(If there's alot to get rid of maybe someone else could volunteer and give me a hand seeing to this?)

teddy12b · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2009, 12:47:10 AM »

That link has an interesting presentation. That's a nice sales pitch for the Barnes triple shock bullets.

DEACONLLB · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2009, 03:12:06 AM »

Well I guess I have to respond to this,
First a little background on myself. For 15 years I worked in a sporting goods store as a sales clerk and part time manager.we sold fishing and hunting gear as well as tons of the things that went with it. we carried fishing sinkers made of lead from bb split shot all the way up to 2 lb lead I have sold and handled many tons of lead sinkers. In the hunting department we sold reloading supplies for rifle and shotgun and we stocked lead shot in 5 and 25 lb. bags all the way from no.8 all the way up to 00 buck and I have handled many tons of that as well, When I went fishing I crimped the split shot on my line with my teeth which by the way are still mine not false. I have shot and eaten ducks an doves as well as pheasent that were killed with lead shot. When I go to the VA for my yearly check up they tell me I am in as good health wise as a man of 20 but as I told nurse all parts dont work as good as when I was 20

. Having said that I dont think it would be wise to eat lead and I will say small children should not handle lead products, after all most of this lead thing started with lead based paint many years ago. I think I read some where that some exploriers died of lead contamited food because the tin cans were sealed with lead solder. I am now looking forward to my 76 birthday which is only a few months away. The bottom line in all this is, studys on any subject create jobs and laws which in turn make some people a lot of money and the goverment gets bigger and bigger and taxes go higher and higher well TMTCW. You must come to your own conclusions.

Deaconllb

squirrellluck · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2009, 04:55:07 PM »

I just don't understand all us medical miracles! Playing with mercury, eating paint chips and of course all that lead tainted meat. Why ain't we all dead?

Hammerspur · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2009, 12:48:05 AM »

Quote from: squirrellluck on January 30, 2009, 04:55:07 PM

I just don't understand all us medical miracles! Playing with mercury, eating paint chips and of course all that lead tainted meat. Why ain't we all dead?

How about smoking?

Been puffing since I was 11 years old... am now 55+.
Just had my annual physical Thursday (2 days ago).
Heart, blood, cholesterol, all results better than last year's!

I was doing that breathing test where you have to blow into the funnel as long as possible.
One nurse walking by while test was taking place commented
"Wow, that's a set of lungs!"

Sorry, but I believe genes are the determining factor in most of the situations involving environmental risks and whether the admonitions hold water or not.
Some people are just unfortunately predisposed to be adversely affected by low level environmental toxins and all the caution in the world won't do much to save them from being harmed.

DennyRoark · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2009, 02:29:11 AM »

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That link has an interesting presentation. That's a nice sales pitch for the Barnes triple shock bullets.

I don't think that eating copper (or any of the various metals) is good for you either.

alsaqr · « **Reply #13 on:** February 01, 2009, 07:00:26 AM »

http://www.paoutdoornews.com/articles/2008/12/04/top_news/news01.txt

alsaqr · « **Reply #14 on:** February 01, 2009, 09:08:34 AM »

This is all over the internet and it is BS. The guy who did the "study" is a dermatologist. He is also an anti hunting zealot who worked on the the CA lead ban. It amounts to more bogus horse crap peddled as "science" by the antis.

Quote from: alsaqr on February 01, 2009, 07:00:26 AM

http://www.paoutdoornews.com/articles/2008/12/04/top_news/news01.txt

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The amount of lead in the blood of the adult study participant with the highest reading still had less than enough for it to be considered a concern for a child, added the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Health officials could not verify whether that adult had even consumed game harvested with traditional ammunition, too.

Finally, the study found "an insignificant" difference in blood lead levels between participants who ate wild game harvested with traditional ammunition and non-hunters in the control group, the Foundation said.

Lane · « **Reply #15 on:** February 01, 2009, 09:43:24 AM »

Thanks for that link alsaqr!

That adds more balance to this topic!

Our family eats more deer than beef, and has since 1995

I have to say when I first saw this research, I got a sick feeling in my gut. But from what I now read, I think this lead "scare" could be more hype than fact.

Hammerspur · « **Reply #16 on:** February 01, 2009, 12:40:36 PM »

Quote from: Lane on February 01, 2009, 09:43:24 AM

I think this lead "scare" could be more hype than fact.

You mean kinda' like human induced Global Warming?

alsaqr · « **Reply #17 on:** February 01, 2009, 03:22:28 PM »

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Our family eats more deer than beef, and has since 1995

Same here. We also eat a lot of wild pig that was shot with a big muzzleloader bullet with a lot of lead.

Explorer1 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 01, 2009, 07:01:32 PM »

There are enough studies been done by supposedly good sources to prove both sides of this arguement. Right now Washington State has a bill to ban lead shot in an effort to protect the CA Condor!

More liberal BS!

Old English · « **Reply #19 on:** February 02, 2009, 02:42:18 AM »

Total BS IMHO.

Myerslake2005 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:39:14 AM »

I'd have to look for the article but there were recent studies commissioned by one of the out west states that x-rayed meat as well as tested lead levels of the people who consumed meat shot with a lead bullet in response to the CDC's concern for lead poisoning. It was found when the meat was properly processed ie. all damaged meat removed there was minimal to no lead in the meat. Actually the study showed that many of the participants who ate the meat had lower levels of lead than the control study who didn't. This was made a mute point and I believe the CDC dropped it.

I would be more conerned for lead poisoning in paint in old houses and items shipped from foreign countries than from a bullet.

mechanic · « **Reply #21 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:50:51 AM »

I handle lead, lots of it as part of my job. I also smelt lead in great quantities. I get tested once a year during my physical...no problems. The most dangerous part of handling lead, or any metal, is when it vaporizes when heated. It is readily absorbed through the lungs. All heavy metal are present in small quantities in the vegetables we eat, as well as the meat sources that fed on that vegetation.

Any metal when heated to the extreme can vaporize. The most dangerous is the galvanized plating, (zinc) on metals. These can cause metal fume fever, and in extreme cases can kill within 24 hours. Within the lungs they form sulfuric acid, which destroys the lungs. As in all things, use caution. Don't weld galvanized. Don't eat large quantities of lead. Don't get too excited about what "scientists" say. It will change in short order.