Author Topic: CZ in 7.62x39 (Read 1839 times)

hawaii50 · « **on:** January 30, 2009, 08:30:12 AM »

Would any of you have one and how do you like it?
I am thinking about the CZ or the new Ruger compact.
Are the iron sights on the CZ worth chosing over the Ruger?
Thanks to all,
5-0

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2009, 01:25:43 PM »

I've got the 527 Carbine in 7.62x39 and love it. I don't like the iron sights due to lack of vertical adjustment. A 1-1/2-4.5 power Tasco scope sits on it. I bought mine used, but I believe different front sight heights are available. It is accurate with Wolf ammo.

wareagleguy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2009, 04:13:16 PM »

I have the CZ. It handles very well the trigger is top notch (set trigger). Unlike Woodchukhntr, I would say mine isn't very accurate. Now, accurate is a matter of personal preference. Mine is shooting around 1 3/4 - 2 inch groups at 100 with Wolf. I can get about 1 - 1 1/2 groups with reloads. I know many people say this is fine but not me. I too didn't care for the iron sights and scoped it. I handled one of the Ruger compacts and it seems like a fine rifle. I would say I like the CZ slightly better. The CZ action is much better too.

xhare · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2009, 04:24:13 PM »

I had one several years ago that was a wonderful looking rifle. I too scoped it as the open sights have no elevation. However, mine was very inaccurate (4-5 inch groups) and further it missfired all the time, no matter what ammo I shot in it. Got rid of it. Years later I read in an article the some of the early rifles had chamber issues that CZ had to correct. The rifles produced after the correction are supposed to be fine shooters.

I see where Ruger is coming out with compact rifles in 7.62 x 39 and 6.8 Remington. To bad their compact rifles have shortened stocks. I am 6'2" and those stocks are too short for me.

Pinkerton · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2009, 07:06:45 PM »

I've had the CZ for 3 years now and it's been a great little rifle. I've been saying that as soon as they make one in 6.8 rem. I'll have one, but I guess ruger beat them to the punch. I like ruger rifles but prefer the micro mauser action of the cz.

jhm · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:19:01 AM »

Check your barrels to be sure you are shooting the proper dia. bullet, the 7.62X39 come in 2 diameters 308 and the 310 dia. My remington is 308 and it doesnt shoot the 310 wolf or any of the foriegn made surplus ammo. Jim PS remington factory ammo is 308 I reload with 308

xhare · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2009, 06:10:05 PM »

Pinkerton,

I agree. I would snap up one of those in a second as I prefer the CZ as well. I personally would like the 6.8 in a CZ 527 American rather than the Carbine, but would take either. Just so long as they dont try to make it a pseudo military rifle/swat rifle, I would rather have it in their standard wood.

I dont understand why CZ has not jumped all over this. I know it probably would not be their best seller, but the 527 action just screams to have the 6.8 put in it.

hawaii50 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:36:46 AM »

Thank you all for the great replies.
I too am looking at the Ruger compact in 6.8 or .338 Federal...........
It's very hard to make up my mind. I'm also thinking about the Remington 7615.
Hawaii 5-0

wareagleguy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2009, 04:11:08 AM »

I have been told that according to CZ the bore is .310

jro45 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2009, 07:45:49 AM »

I have one its the SKS 7.62X39 . I really like mine. The bore is .10

Blowtorch53 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2009, 08:13:33 AM »

Guys,

I have a Mini 30 and it is great. It is an old one and not terribly accurate, but who needs a tackdriver in this type rifle. I'm sure the CZ is better. I have a CZ in a big caliber and it is one of the best rifles I own. I had a Ruger 77 years ago in 7.62 x 39 and it was fun. I gave it to a friend of mine for his son. It's about like a .30-30. It was 2" accurate for three shots but only with the cheapest, dirtiest military ammo. you could find. Reloading this caliber was very frustrating as I remember. All the cases I used would overflow with powder with no room for the bullets at "book" maximum loads and they always shot worse than the military or "white box" stuff. I tried different sized bullets and everything but no luck. Fun caliber to shoot though. This ammo was dirt cheap back then. So was that rifle. Neither of them are now! BT

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2009, 10:47:56 AM »

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Jim PS remington factory ammo is 308 I reload with 308

would you guy's please quit repeating this myth. American made 7.62x39 is not loaded with .308 bullets. Never has been never will be.

The bore specs on my CZ527 measured .300" and .310" and it would shoot both bullet diameters with equal accuracy. In fact this has held true for all .310 bored x39's I've tested

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,127771.0.html

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2009, 12:24:57 PM »

Quote from: krochus on February 02, 2009, 10:47:56 AM

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Jim PS remington factory ammo is 308 I reload with 308

would you guy's please quit repeating this myth. American made 7.62x39 is not loaded with .308 bullets. Never has been never will be.

The bore specs on my CZ527 measured .300" and .310" and it would shoot both bullet diameters with equal accuracy. In fact this has held true for all .310 bored x39's I've tested

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,127771.0.html

I just checked my R-P & Federal ammo:

R-P #R762391, 125 gr. PSP, lot H29I C3926: .307 bullet dia.

Federal #76239B, 125 gr. Hi-Shok, lot #021788W886: .308 bullet diameter.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2009, 05:38:32 AM »

Quote from: woodchukhntr on February 02, 2009, 12:24:57 PM

Quote from: krochus on February 02, 2009, 10:47:56 AM
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Jim PS remington factory ammo is 308 I reload with 308

would you guy's please quit repeating this myth. American made 7.62x39 is not loaded with .308 bullets. Never has been never will be.

The bore specs on my CZ527 measured .300" and .310" and it would shoot both bullet diameters with equal accuracy. In fact this has held true for all .310 bored x39's I've tested

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,127771.0.html

I just checked my R-P & Federal ammo:

R-P #R762391, 125 gr. PSP, lot H29I C3926: .307 bullet dia.

Federal #76239B, 125 gr. Hi-Shok, lot #021788W886: .308 bullet diameter.

did you pull the bullets and check them below the cannelure? In the case x39 bullets measure smaller than they do in your hand. For heavens sake you can buy the .310' component bullets from rem and win

125grs SP= .3095" with both tools pictured

UMC 123grn FMJ =.310"

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2009, 01:04:56 PM »

No I just measured them above the cannelure. I just got back from the range with my 527. Considering that my hands were freezing without a glove on my right hand, the temp. being around 30, and I didn't have my sandbags for a rear rest, I was shooting 1-1/4" groups with 110 gr. V-Max bullets in front of 29 gr. of 4895 in R-P cases. Yesterday with the temp. around 40, I was shooting similar groups with the Silver Bear 125 gr. soft points.

I just measured the Federal (.309) and R-P (.307) bullets between the cannelure and the bullet base. The Silver Bear is .310.

jhm · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:13:58 AM »

Per. Remington the 799 has a 308 bore, their ammo has 308 bullets, why did RCBS dupply 2 different expander balls and instructions to measure your rifle bore B-4 reloading to be sure of the proper dia?

Jim

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:42:40 AM »

Was the barrel on the rifle in question actually slugged? As far as I've been able to determine NO production 7.62x39's made since the early 90's have had a .308 bore, and those were the very first few runs of the Ruger mini 30. Any made since have used the "correct" bore. Us Americans aren't that stupid we can and do make bullets and barrels with the correct bore demisions. Even my AR15 has a .310" bore

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=405727
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=195939

Dies come with both expanders because most .310 bored x39's will shoot the much cheaper, more common and more modern selection of .308" bullets with equal accuracy

It's my understanding that the Remington DOES NOT have a .308 bore. Why would it? It's made by Zastava in the Yugoslavia.

xhare · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2009, 11:21:46 AM »

Here is a link to a conversation on another page. He measured bullets from numerous manufacturers and their diameters were all over the place.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,149851.0.html

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2009, 10:29:16 PM »

Quote from: xhare on February 04, 2009, 11:21:46 AM

Here is a link to a conversation on another page. He measured bullets from numerous manufacturers and their diameters were all over the place.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,149851.0.html

and as I pointed out none of the projectiles were pulled and measured below the cannelure.

of course his measurements were all over the place vuritually all of a 125grn bullets bearing surface is inside the case

Tallwalker · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:05:42 AM »

I had the CZ 527 in 7.62x39 a few years ago, and have kicked myself a few times for selling it. I shot mine mostly with cast bullets, and had a lot of fun with it. They make a wonderful modern 32-20, and shoot 150 grain + cast loads well too. My first magazine didn't feed the blunt 115 grain bullets very well until I tweaked it, but CZ did correct that, and a second magazine fed them like grease. I may just have to get another one. The Ruger compact has the same action, and I believe the same barrel contour as a standard Hawkeye. The regular stocks are available through both Ruger, and Brownells. I do wish they would offer that gun an inch longer on both ends!