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Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« on: January 30, 2009, 08:47:02 AM »
I need some sound advice on a new reloader. I'm at the point where I'm gonna jump in and reload!
There are two mind sets on reloading. One says "Go slow and with the tried and tru single stage (Rock Chucker)", and the other says "If your new just get it over with and get a Dillon 550b. I wish I would have done this years ago". Well three "Buy both".
At this time I primarly want to reload 357mag for rifle/pistol and mid to Mag rifle rounds.
I have no need to crank out 200 - 300 rounds at a time of 223 like so many of the black rifle crowd do, but it may be useful for the 357mag. How good is rifle round produced in a progressive up against a single stage press?
I mean you need to pay attention and do quality control frequently, right!
I've seen several pictures of loading benchs that have 4-5 single stage presses for various functions of the reloading process and I'm still on the fence. I need to get off soon while I'm still able to buy powder, primer, and lead. Thoughts? - gary
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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 08:58:22 AM »
 I started with the Lee set that you hammer the components together. Bought an RCBS press and dies. Then MORE dies for MORE guns. I have several presses now, none progressive. Over 50 sets of dies, a bunch of molds, 3 lubrisizers with H&I dies for about 30 calibers. I am retired now and have time to enjoy them. Of course $$ is a lot tighter now so components are bought as needed, not as wanted.

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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 09:55:26 AM »
I think you answered your own question. You said you aren't wanting to do high volume, progressive presses are design for high volume. The same amount of care in loading is required by either. The reason you see pics of loading areas with all that stuff....some of us have been doing this for a long time. We acquire stuff, lots of stuff. If you were wanting to load for a high volume in a select few cartridges get the progressive, really they aren't much more difficult to use. They are however much more money. Progressive presses can load ammo that would be suitable for any purpose including match and target.

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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 10:06:25 AM »
My Dad had a reloading press and I got to use it one or two times before I got out of college.  I was helping him load his ammo.  I had a shotshell loader and loaded my shot shells for duck and goose hunting.  All rifle and pistol ammo was purchased.

I was married just before I graduated from college.  My first house was about 20 miles from Dad's so I went and purchased a used reloading set up from a nickle ad.  (That set up went to a new loader last summer.)  I got an RCBS Jr. press, Lyman scale, Lyman #55 powder measure, and a couple of funnels, trickler, loading blocks etc.  Best $50 I ever spent.  With that I press I began loading 100s of rounds of ammo.  50-100 rounds an hour was not uncommon.  

After a couple of years, I heard of the Lyman Pistol powder measure.  It had replacable dies with different powder volume.  Gee, this was great!  I could get 50 38s or 357s sized, belled, primed, and into a loading tray.  I could then hold the pistol powder measure and jump from case to case dropping the powder charge.  2 minutes max and 50 rounds ready to seat bullets.  Top the first five cases with bullets and seat.  Really sped up my pistol reloading.  I was also doing 30-30 rifle, and eventually .243 using this press.  

After a couple of years, I found a new sport, handgun silhouette.  There were matches every couple of weekends and it was easy to go thru 100 rounds.  I wanted to speed up my reloading.  Lee offered a Pro-1000 press that would do up to .223 size cases.  My 7TCU round was based on the .223 case, so I ordered a Pro-1000 progressive press.  

I learned a lot with the Lee.  First and foremost, it worked faster if I didn't use it progressively.  I could set it up with a sizing die, and with the automatic indexing, it took just a few minutes to size up 100 cases.  If I tried to size in one step and bell in the next, it actually slowed me down.  The priming system didn't work right so if I tried to seat a primer on the down stroke, sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.  I ended up buying several bullet pullers to get the bullets out of cases that didn't have primers in them, or out of cases with primers that were upside down.  Also found out the Lee powder measure would work with some powder, and not with others.  It wasn't long before the disks were gouged from powder residue and didn't want to work any more.  The press was ideal for fast resizing, fast belling, and fast bullet seating.  It was like a self indexing single stage.  I didn't have to load the case and it automatically spit it out, so I saved some time.

When trying to load the 7TCU on the Pro-1000, it didn't take long to realize that heavy bullet made the case top heavy.  Top heavy cases flip funny, don't land in the ammo tray like pistol ammo, and end up hitting the floor.  So soon I had a sore back from bending over and picking up my loaded ammo all the time.

About this time I was looking into better progressive presses.  I was making good money, so I ordered a Dillon 550.  I set that baby up to do the 7TCU ammo and within a week or so, I was cranking out 100 rounds of ammo within a half hour.  Start to finish.  Soon it was 200 in an hour.  

Well, 20 years later, I have two 550s, a Square Deal B, and an RCBS Rock Chucker.  Like I mentioned above, I sold my original RCBS Jr. press to a new reloader.  That is because my Dad gave me all of his reloading gear.  

That Rock Chucker still gets the nod on sizing .308, -06, 7mm Mag, 338 Mag, etc.  All of the heavier rifle cases get resized on the Rock Chucker.  I also make a lot of wildcat brass on the RC.  .223 into 6,6.5,or 7TCU, 30-30 to 7x30 waters, 30 herret, 357 herret, etc.  

You often hear of coaches talking to their teams and saying "it's back to the basics, we have to have the basics down."  This is true of all sports.  Get the running, hitting, catching, shooting, breathing down, and then fill in the gaps.  Same is true with reloading.  You have to get the basics down, and then fill in the gaps.  I am still using single stage press, powder scale, trickler, etc just like I started with.  When I get to some operations where the progressive can help speed up the process, I fill in the gaps.

Start out basic and work your way up.  It will bring you hours of pleasure and sense of accomplishment when you shoot tiny groups or game animals with home grown ammo.

Let the fun begin!!

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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 10:11:35 AM »
first consider volume . If 1000's of rounds are to be loaded go dillion . If highly accurate rounds are needed for rifle and a few 100 for a handgun the RC might be cost effective . I have a progressive press and never use it . Most reloading is no more than a few 100 at a time . For rifle loads i measure each load anyway so a single stge press works great .
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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 01:37:29 PM »
I doubt there are many here who have been reloading longer than me. Likely some who've loaded more rounds than me tho I'm sure my number has got to be at least a quarter million or more. I've never used a progressive and doubt I ever will. I don't even like to shoot near folks who use them as there are too many with no powder and you know if there are that many with none some have to have more than one charge.

I stay as far away from progressive press users as i can when shooting and dont' use them myself either.


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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 01:57:55 PM »
My Dad had a reloading press and I got to use it one or two times before I got out of college.  I was helping him load his ammo.  I had a shotshell loader and loaded my shot shells for duck and goose hunting.  All rifle and pistol ammo was purchased.

I was married just before I graduated from college.  My first house was about 20 miles from Dad's so I went and purchased a used reloading set up from a nickle ad.  (That set up went to a new loader last summer.)  I got an RCBS Jr. press, Lyman scale, Lyman #55 powder measure, and a couple of funnels, trickler, loading blocks etc.  Best $50 I ever spent.  With that I press I began loading 100s of rounds of ammo.  50-100 rounds an hour was not uncommon.  

After a couple of years, I heard of the Lyman Pistol powder measure.  It had replacable dies with different powder volume.  Gee, this was great!  I could get 50 38s or 357s sized, belled, primed, and into a loading tray.  I could then hold the pistol powder measure and jump from case to case dropping the powder charge.  2 minutes max and 50 rounds ready to seat bullets.  Top the first five cases with bullets and seat.  Really sped up my pistol reloading.  I was also doing 30-30 rifle, and eventually .243 using this press.  

After a couple of years, I found a new sport, handgun silhouette.  There were matches every couple of weekends and it was easy to go thru 100 rounds.  I wanted to speed up my reloading.  Lee offered a Pro-1000 press that would do up to .223 size cases.  My 7TCU round was based on the .223 case, so I ordered a Pro-1000 progressive press.  

I learned a lot with the Lee.  First and foremost, it worked faster if I didn't use it progressively.  I could set it up with a sizing die, and with the automatic indexing, it took just a few minutes to size up 100 cases.  If I tried to size in one step and bell in the next, it actually slowed me down.  The priming system didn't work right so if I tried to seat a primer on the down stroke, sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.  I ended up buying several bullet pullers to get the bullets out of cases that didn't have primers in them, or out of cases with primers that were upside down.  Also found out the Lee powder measure would work with some powder, and not with others.  It wasn't long before the disks were gouged from powder residue and didn't want to work any more.  The press was ideal for fast resizing, fast belling, and fast bullet seating.  It was like a self indexing single stage.  I didn't have to load the case and it automatically spit it out, so I saved some time.

When trying to load the 7TCU on the Pro-1000, it didn't take long to realize that heavy bullet made the case top heavy.  Top heavy cases flip funny, don't land in the ammo tray like pistol ammo, and end up hitting the floor.  So soon I had a sore back from bending over and picking up my loaded ammo all the time.

About this time I was looking into better progressive presses.  I was making good money, so I ordered a Dillon 550.  I set that baby up to do the 7TCU ammo and within a week or so, I was cranking out 100 rounds of ammo within a half hour.  Start to finish.  Soon it was 200 in an hour.  

Well, 20 years later, I have two 550s, a Square Deal B, and an RCBS Rock Chucker.  Like I mentioned above, I sold my original RCBS Jr. press to a new reloader.  That is because my Dad gave me all of his reloading gear.  

That Rock Chucker still gets the nod on sizing .308, -06, 7mm Mag, 338 Mag, etc.  All of the heavier rifle cases get resized on the Rock Chucker.  I also make a lot of wildcat brass on the RC.  .223 into 6,6.5,or 7TCU, 30-30 to 7x30 waters, 30 herret, 357 herret, etc.  

You often hear of coaches talking to their teams and saying "it's back to the basics, we have to have the basics down."  This is true of all sports.  Get the running, hitting, catching, shooting, breathing down, and then fill in the gaps.  Same is true with reloading.  You have to get the basics down, and then fill in the gaps.  I am still using single stage press, powder scale, trickler, etc just like I started with.  When I get to some operations where the progressive can help speed up the process, I fill in the gaps.

Start out basic and work your way up.  It will bring you hours of pleasure and sense of accomplishment when you shoot tiny groups or game animals with home grown ammo.

Let the fun begin!!

Steve :)


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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 02:22:04 PM »
I doubt there are many here who have been reloading longer than me. Likely some who've loaded more rounds than me tho I'm sure my number has got to be at least a quarter million or more. I've never used a progressive and doubt I ever will. I don't even like to shoot near folks who use them as there are too many with no powder and you know if there are that many with none some have to have more than one charge.

I stay as far away from progressive press users as i can when shooting and dont' use them myself either.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 02:58:33 PM »
I also have a progressive and rarely use it; it's the Lee and as said above the primer doesn't work, so I preprime and some powders won't dump right; too dry, static or too humid, sticky so with finicky powders and for best accuracy I use the single stage.  The progressive usually is for 9mm as I have a few 30round clips and like to blast away on occasion, as said above works for volume.  I use the single stage for about 90% of my reloading.

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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 03:27:35 PM »
I'm with Graybeard in that I've been reloading for close to 40 years and have yet to use a progressive machine except the RCBS Green Machine.

My observations of folks that immediately jump into high production progressive machines is not favorable.  They generally are in a hurry to make ammunition before they have mastered the basics of using a single-station system.  I am not suggesting that there is a cause-and-effect relationship, but if you study the kah-BOOM! incidents, they frequently involve squib loads and overloads and are very frequently made on progressive machines, much more so than us old dinosaurs that stay with using the old and slow single-stage systems.

Reloading is after all, a hobby, a pleasant way to spend time doing things that we enjoy.  Making lots and lots of ammunition in as short a time as possible is probably a nice thing, but not all of use need high volume production capability.
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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 03:56:55 PM »
I doubt there are many here who have been reloading longer than me.

Ya know, I been doin this stuff since "reloading" meant pouring more powder and another ball down the barrel!   ;D  Thought I knew my stuff to!   8)  But there are some REALLY knowledgeable folk on the forum!  I've learned a lot!   :)


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I've never used a progressive and doubt I ever will.

+1  Maybe I would think about it if I were a high volume shooter, but I don't believe so.  I want to see the results of each step, one step at a time.   :-\
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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2009, 04:04:12 PM »
Thanks for all your input. I think I'll go with the single stage and get to know what I'm doing first by paying attention and taking it slow. Every reloading manual I've read says not to load with any distractions. I want to keep my sight and all my digits.
I've seen several pictures of loading benches that have 4-5 single stage presses or contraptions for various functions of the reloading process.
I know Graybeard, you’re a big fan of the Hornady Lock-n-Load powder measure.

Is there a good priming tool that won't break the bank but saves time over what would come in a kit and is there a good beam scale that also comes in a kit?
The question now is to buy the kit or piece it together?
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2009, 05:32:44 PM »
Is there a good priming tool that won't break the bank

What I use for a priming tool is one of those cheap aluminum Lee C presses with one of their priming attachments mounted on it.  Works great; I can "feel" the primer seat.  Got a RC Jr. mounted next to it I use only to seat bullets.  A RC is mounted on my work bench to size brass.

If your just starting out, and money is tight, you can use that little Lee to get you into reloading.  But be advised, it won't be long before you'll be saving money for other stuff.   ;D

Just reread your original post.  If you're just reloading 357's and money is an issue, get that lee press and their dies.  They'll do, and once you get going you'll know what you want!   ;)
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2009, 05:34:24 PM »
I'd say piece it together. I have only been reloading a short time but managed to buy almost all my equipment used here, on other boards, and ebay or craigslist. I got advice about what was absolutely necessary for a beginner and looked for those items, but I think I only bought the powder measure new! I saved about 30-40% on everything and I know I got better gear than I could have afforded if I bought everything new. It suited me because I am the type of guy who likes looking for a bargain.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2009, 04:58:24 PM »
I also have been reloading since '68. I recommend one of those Lee or RCBS hand primers for everything but magnum rifle cases, They allow for the highest sensitivity and feel when seating primers, and can be had on sale from midway for 12-15 $ I use the rock chucker priming attachment for really big stuff.
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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2009, 05:41:30 PM »
I doubt there are many here who have been reloading longer than me. Likely some who've loaded more rounds than me tho I'm sure my number has got to be at least a quarter million or more. I've never used a progressive and doubt I ever will. I don't even like to shoot near folks who use them as there are too many with no powder and you know if there are that many with none some have to have more than one charge.

I stay as far away from progressive press users as i can when shooting and dont' use them myself either.
How long?

Ta be perfectly honest I don't recall how long. Since some time in the '60s but just which year I don't rightly recall. It's been way too long to remember. I graduated from high school in '63 so likely not long after that. I got married in '65 and iffen I hadn't started already I'm sure it couldn't have been long afterward. So best guesss since around '65 or '66.


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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2009, 03:24:51 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2009, 03:49:07 AM »
I started in 1960. I bought a used set of reloading stuff from a reloader that had pased away.  I still have it. Carl L.

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2009, 04:09:43 AM »
As far as priming tools go, I use the Lee Auto-prime.  Its inexpensive, and works very well for me.
I like the fact that I can really feel the primer seat, and there's not a lot of leverage pushing the primer in if there is a hang up.
I've never detonated a primer while reloading with this tool...  and hope I never do.

Good luck with your relaoding. I'm sure you'll enjoy it as much as the rest of us :)

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2009, 05:37:50 AM »
well ive been going since 1970 and have load rounds i know in the millions. I shoot alot (when im healthy) If i had to rely on a single stage press id be up all night loading just to shoot for a couple hours the next day. Im just the oposite of most here. I rarely load a round on a single stage press. As a matter of fact the last time i went to use one it took me a half hour with oil and working it to get it smooth again. I have better things to do then spend 2 hours loading a 100 rounds of ammo. I have NEVER had a squib or missfire that i could blame on loading progressive. NEVER! Id look at it two ways. A guy can allways use a single stage heavy duty press for odds and ends so it doesnt hurt to buy one and probably everyone should start loading that way. Thing is a 55o can be used as a single stage press with the advantage of priming on the same stroke as you are sizing. It is easy then if you worried about it to take the case off and charge it by weighting a charge. You can do it this way if your awful bored and have nothing better to do with your time. A press ANY PRESS loads ammo just as safe as the operator of that press. Progressive presses dont cause accidents idiots do!! Ive got 6 dillon presses set up and if i had to get rid of them alot of guns would go along!
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2009, 07:37:10 AM »
"I think I'll go with the single stage and get to know what I'm doing first by paying attention and taking it slow. Every reloading manual I've read says not to load with any distractions."

VERY wise decision. 

It's given that most, if not all, of us who follow these web sights are avid shooters and reloaders.  It often seems some of us have long since lost our objectivity for being new and reccommend equipment that far exceeds the real needs of the newbie.  Fact is, almoist all of us started on single stage presses and they allowed us to learn what was happening at each stage of the process much better than we ever would have on progressives.  Another fact is, few of those coming into this game will ever have any justification for a progressive.

IF you ever reach the point of needing, or even wanting a progressive, get it then, not now.  You will still have plenty of use for a good single stage so it's no waste at all.

The Hornady LnL is a good press of its type.  Ditto the Redding Boss, Lyman Orange, Rockchucker and Lee Classic Cast.  They are so equal in performance that it won't make a bit of difference to your reloading, there's really no advantage between them.  Seems many of us give far to much emphesis to our choice of presses but they are quite simple devices, with no secrets to how they are made, so there's precious little difference between them. Pick one and be happy with it, you can't go wrong.

Ditto with dies, all are good and your ammo will never know how much or how little you paid.   Lyman and Redding have perhaps the best handgun dies because of their unique expander plugs.  (Redding has copied Lyman's excellant "M" die) 

Understand that digital scales are no more accurate than beams, they just cost more and are much more finicky.  Get a good manual powder measure - Redding, Hornady, Lyman or RCBS.  That and a trickler - Redding, Hornady - will make a nice combo to handle your powder charges. 

Try the spray case lubes for the handgun stuff and use finger tip applied lubes for rife cases - Lee , Hornady's Unique, Redding's Die Wax are all very good.  And put a stuck-case remover - RCBS - on your first list, you will need it later.

Get a good manual or two.  Start with a Lyman, maybe add a Hornady, Sierra or Lee.  They are all quite useful books, no one prints a bad manual.

All that's a bit more than you asked but it seems relivant for where you are now.  Good luck!



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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2009, 08:31:15 AM »
Lots of great stuff here for a newbie! I've seen several reloading "outfits" in the nickel ads. My pal bought one several years ago. Happened to be an RCBS Master Reloading Kit with the addition of a neat case tumbler, 3 sets of dies, thousands of primers, hundreds of cases and bullets, and several boxes of loaded ammunition - all for $185. That was in 2002. In powder measures, I have a Lyman 55 and a couple RCBS. I find the RCBS to be easier to adjust. Actual usage is the same. In powder scales, I have replaced the old 'undampened' balance beam for a Hornady "magnetic dampened" balance beam. I love it! Enough that I bought another for my Dad! However, I do long for a Lyman 1200 DPS3....Christmas is coming.....

Steve P - I love the "my Dad had"..... That's how I started, sitting at Dad's knee back in 1957, and I have everything Dad had back then, with the addition of a decent powder scale and a neat powder measure.

Wnnchester - Great analysis and thought progression.

Lloyd - when I was shooting IHMSA in Wyoming, I was envious of the guys with their progressive loaders just from the "time" factor. I had a brood of small kids and diapers and such took my "play" money for, well, until now! My youngest just started college. I may still get a Dillon 550b as I read about them every time the "Blue Press" hits my mailbox. Meanwhile, that old Herter's Super 3 just keeps on cranking....

One of my pals was the local club president and state director for IHMSA. This particular state match he was getting his stuff put together to go to the line, and he found his ammo wouldn't fit. His progressive was set for one gun and he was using another. Both were single shots, but the one he normally used was longer throated and the stuff was too long to fit the 'gun of the day'. I had an extra box of the same caliber and bullet (I had cast them using his mold for both of us), just a tad different load to match my revolver. He went on to outshoot me by 2 targets and won the High Revolver and High Overall for the match. When he went to Alaska to handgun hunt for bear, I helped him develop a load for his 10.5" Super Blackhawk with a bullet from a 304gr SSK mold. It shot like hotcakes and he brought home 2 trophies. I don't usually feel handicapped by not having a progressive loader, and having a single stage press has allowed me to do some intense load work over the years. I stopped counting at 10,000 rounds and that was 20 years ago. I've gone from shooting several hundred rounds a week to less than a hundred rounds a month. Some of my fonder memories include the mother of my grandson shooting a "lightly" loaded 357mag at 3 years old, and later taking 2nd place state IHMSA at 8 years old, with a TC 22lr.
Handloading without distraction is a must. My life is a distraction, so it doesn't work for me, so I have to take extra caution to make sure the primers are right side up and each case has the right amount of powder and all that. When the kids were small, one sat on my knee and worked the press handle. I inserted the primer, charged the powder and placed the bullet for seating and crimping. 2nd child wiped any residue off the completed case and passed it to 3rd child for "counting" and placing in box. This didn't happen every time I needed to make some ammo, but quite often and took total concentration to keep all the ducks lined up - and then I discovered the "Land Before Time" video series. Then the only distraction was their laughter and the TV.

Get set to enjoy one of the greatest hobbies ever contrived by mankind. Stay alert, relax, and keep it safe.

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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2009, 11:44:12 AM »
I spotted a nice turret (Redding) press in a new Cabala's reloading catalog. Anyone own one?
Is this type of press considered a progressive or single stage press?
Is there an advantage to this type of press over (Rock Chucker) in having to only needing to dial
the turret to the next station when another reloading step is needed?
Is this press as strong as a RC?
Is a stronger press needed for deprimming/case sizing process or bullet seating?
I'm just wondering if not going with a few single press be a better option?


Thanks for all you input. I know there there is knowledge base here to be tapped and want to
buy smart the first thime.
Thanks again for answering my basic reloading questions. -gary
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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2009, 01:14:51 PM »
The turret press is neither fish nor fowl. It's not a single stage or a progressive, though it has elements of both. I've not used the new ones, but I did have the use of an old Lyman turret press and it was as good as a single stage, IF used like a single stage. It held all the dies for a particular caliber, like a progressive, but it did not have any kind of indexing to move the turret to the next station. Therefore, it took manual moving of the turret, and it did not move easily. Like I said, it was an "old" press and maybe just needed cleaning and lubrication. I don't know. It was a one day project at a friend's house and it worked for him, so I didn't mess with it. I will say that rotating that turret was easier than swapping out dies for each station - and cleaned and lubricated it might have been a cinch to rotate it and allow 'progressive' style handloading. Makes a good single stage - IF - the price was workable to the budget. My Dad does 30-06 full length resizing on an old RCBS Jr without any wheezing on his part or the press's (I have his old Herter's Super 3). These 'smaller than rock chucker' presses can be found at shows and on EBay and other auction sites in the $20 and up bracket. Lloyd might wear one out, but I doubt you or I ever would.

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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2009, 01:28:52 PM »
Gary,

I'm extremely happy with my Lee Classic 4-hole turret press, I use it as a single stage press, it works very well and is built like a tank with all steel linkage and cast iron base, extra turrets which are machined aluminum about an inch thick are $8-$9 each, once you have the dies set in each turret, it's just a matter of swapping turrets for each chambering which are preloaded with a die set. I load for a LOT of chamberings, have 33 turrets loaded with dies, so if you do load for more than just a few chamberings it's real nice not having to set the dies up each time they're used and you can switch back and forth between operations by just rotating the turret if you need to without removing a die from the press.  ;)

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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2009, 01:50:37 PM »
I feel like a youngster since I've only been doing it 33 years. Lee handloaders at first then the RC. I'm on my second RC for the past 6 years and got a Lock-N-Load a year ago only because the multiple touches with a single stage wore out my thumb forcing me to have a joint reconstruction in Dec.
I load enough volume of some cartridges to justify the progressive but like someone else mentioned I have little confidence in whether the powder dropped or not and the uncertainty of guessing when you're out of primers, and the process of recharging the primer tool is a pain in the butt. The priming mechanism is also very susceptible to jamming. I love Hornady products and the LNL seems to be very well built but the priming process is a built in defect as far as I'm concerned. I'm kind of sorry I got it and all you Dillon guys can pounce on me all you want but I can't afford to change.

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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2009, 01:59:05 PM »
I back Quick on the Lee cast press Its a tank so is the new single stage Lee cast press, I would put a dime to a dollar it equals or out dose a RC, and the primer catcher is first rate.
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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2009, 02:06:01 PM »
I forgot to mention priming and depriming, I use the Lee universal depriming die so I don't run dirty brass through my sizing dies and don't have to clean cases before depriming, the spent primer disposal tube on the Lee press is nice too. I don't prime on the press, use the handheld Lee Auto prime, have two of them, one each for small and large primers.

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Re: Reloading Question - Opinions Please
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2009, 04:16:20 PM »
Thanks guys. I really appreciate you all taking the time to respond.
Quick, I liked the attachments in your post. Very informative. -gary


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