Author Topic: I HAVE NOT TURNED COAT----BUT (Read 2711 times)

williamlayton · « **on:** February 04, 2009, 12:55:06 AM »

I havn't turned to the democrats but I have seen some signs of things I like.
I do like Obama's seeming, at this point, openess.
I do like the fact that he is appointing some Republicans too his cabinet.
I have found some amount of appeal to his honesty.

Wheather or not all or any of this is real is something I reserve judgement on.
Have any of you seen anything else that shows a shift in his thinking.
Now I don't expect him too go off the chart too the right, BUT
Blessings

Swampman · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:14:11 AM »

Like Bill C., I expect he will do whatever the polls say is good for his numbers. He's wise as a serpent. The loss of our 2nd Amendment Rights is the only thing I really care about anyway.

Mikey · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:24:28 AM »

Why William - I believe you may be correct. I too have seen some shift in his thinking. I think he shifted right into high gear with his appointments of holder for ag and whatzhis name, emanual something or another for that other office, not to mention his full intent to establish a permanent awb, his proposed establishment of a $800 billon fund for world something or another, to just mention a few.

And while you may not be turning dumbocraptic I fear there is something amiss as I have detected some 'librulizin' inna yu thought process. It seems you are concerned about open carry in that you worry about what the libs and the weak will say. And, you have not mentioned much of anything about those states proposing legislation that would limit federal government intrusion into state authority or Vermonts desire to seceed from the Union, and here ya are from Texas by Gawd, and you just got yourself a nib colt made 38 Super that you have to refine.

Ah William, I do fear there is something amiss. Now Texas, by gawd, has a lot of cattle, doesn't it? That means a lot of cattle schmidt, doesn't it? You know, after years and years of that stuff building up, it can dry up and become airborne and you can breathe that stuff in and become 'cattle-brained', or 'cattled' possibly, either of which requires immediate assistance. Have you seen your Veterinarian lately?

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LONGTOM · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:51:12 AM »

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Have any of you seen anything else that shows a shift in his thinking.

This is not a reply to try and start an argument but yes I have seen a shift in his thinking.
Mostly in what he campained on.
That being to name a few-
I don't recall names so please forgive me for not stating them.

"There will be no lobbyist in my cabinet"-and he appoints one.
"There will be a tax break of $3000.00 to small businesses for every new employee he hires to a new job"-no longer offered.
"We must all stand behind our military in this troubled world in which we must live"-THEN HE SNUBS THEM BY NOT ATTENDING The Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball.
He talks about transparency in government but the only thing transparent is his words and actions.
Why the American public couldn't see through him is beyond me.

I will not go on as I stated "THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO START AN ARGUMENT".

These are just my views on him so far.

LONGTOM

jgalar · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:52:12 AM »

The reason he wants Judd Gregg is so the Democrat governor of NH can appoint someone who will not side with the Republicans. Therefore the Republicans can't filibuster and Obama will control Congress and have 1 party rule.

With all the posters, t-shirts, and daily propaganda I put Obama in the same class with Kim Jong-il and Hugo Chavez.

magooch · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:06:57 AM »

The Obamanation is still a Dumbycrat, still a flaming liberal, still a halfrican, still a damned liar and still never going to get my support for anything. Going squishy will only get ya squished.

Heather · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:57:40 AM »

Quote from: LONGTOM on February 04, 2009, 02:51:12 AM

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Have any of you seen anything else that shows a shift in his thinking.

This is not a reply to try and start an argument but yes I have seen a shift in his thinking.

"There will be a tax break of $3000.00 to small businesses for every new employee he hires to a new job"-no longer offered.

LONGTOM

I also not wanting to start an argument just pointing out that there is still a tax break for small businesses that hires new employees, but it is only $500.00.

Heather

wgr · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:03:07 AM »

APOINT republicans to his cabinet post then he can controil them replace them with democrats have controil of the sen.not hard to see

alsaqr · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:18:18 AM »

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The reason he wants Judd Gregg is so the Democrat governor of NH can appoint someone who will not side with the Republicans. Therefore the Republicans can't filibuster and Obama will control Congress and have 1 party rule.

Yep, Judd Gregg took the bait. Gregg is pretty much a liberal anyway. He voted to extend the AWB.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00024

leesecw · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2009, 05:19:24 AM »

Just because he appointed republicans doesmnt mean diddly. Look at the records of these republicans that he appointed. They are liberal-moderates and not conservative

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2009, 05:56:57 AM »

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He's wise as a serpent.

+1....Makes me shudder

LONGTOM · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2009, 06:07:47 AM »

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I also not wanting to start an argument just pointing out that there is still a tax break for small businesses that hires new employees, but it is only $500.00.

Thanks Heather:
I stand corrected!

Might as well be none.
That won't even pay last months electric bill.
Even if it was triple that $1,500.00 it still wouldn't pay my hospital premium for one month.

Heres something you migh find interesting also.
This was emailed to me a little bit ago by a friend in lower VA.

Stimulus Payment Explained

This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that can be explained using the Q and A format:

"Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment? "
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

"Q. Where will the government get this money? "
A. From taxpayers.

"Q. So the government is giving me back my own money? "
A. Only a smidgen.

"Q. What is the purpose of this payment? "
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.

"Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ? "
A. Shut up.

Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:

If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China .

If you spend it on gasoline, it will go to the Arabs.

If you purchase a computer, it will go to India .

If you purchase fruit and vegetables, it will go to Mexico , Honduras , and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).

If you buy a car, it will go to Japan .

If you purchase useless crap, it will go to Taiwan .

And none of it will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America . You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer (domestic ONLY), or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.

LONGTOM

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2009, 06:55:07 AM »

If he appoints republicans out of the senate which has a democrat governor, that puts more democrats in the senate for a fillibuster proof senate. One party rule, executive, legislative. Just hope the 5 conservative SC judges hang in there through this.

Heather · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:06:04 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton on February 04, 2009, 12:55:06 AM

I havn't turned to the democrats but I have seen some signs of things I like.
I do like Obama's seeming, at this point, openess.
I do like the fact that he is appointing some Republicans too his cabinet.
I have found some amount of appeal to his honesty.

Wheather or not all or any of this is real is something I reserve judgement on.
Have any of you seen anything else that shows a shift in his thinking.
Now I don't expect him too go off the chart too the right, BUT
Blessings

IMO what Obama is doing right now is trying to get the people on his side. I think he does and says what he thinks we want to hear to make us think he is a good man. I personally don't trust him. I believe he has evil intentions, but that is just my opinion.

Heather

briarpatch · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:19:25 AM »

I said it before. There will be many that will lean toward the left hook and go down for the count with this bozobama. He will, like the serpent of old, make you think he has the answers and when you part take. What will follow?
Dont worry William there are plenty of seats on his train. Climb aboard and ride. He may even let you blow the whistle but if you will just look far enough down the track you will see........ This is yours william you finish it.

torpedoman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:41:36 PM »

He earned my respect when he proved to be man enough to say "I screwed up" may not like him or his policies but i do have more respect for him now.

Sourdough · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:53:26 PM »

I agree with you Torpedoman, but I am still leary of his coming actions. I'll give himk the benifit of a doubt right nowe, only time will tell if it was worth it. Rog

45-70.gov · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:57:53 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 04, 2009, 01:14:11 AM

Like Bill C., I expect he will do whatever the polls say is good for his numbers. He's wise as a serpent. The loss of our 2nd Amendment Rights is the only thing I really care about anyway.

pretty much the way i see it all the republicrats are liberal

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Quote from: torpedoman on February 04, 2009, 01:41:36 PM

He earned my respect when he proved to be man enough to say "I screwed up" may not like him or his policies but i do have more respect for him now.

then why doesn't he with draw his previous appointments

like swampy said....he just says what he thinks you want to hear

never trust a democrat or muslim........and when a man is both.........

Dee · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:11:37 PM »

I double posted. Sorry.

Dee · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:13:08 PM »

If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, I'd be willing to bet the damn thing can swim too. GW Bush turned into one of the biggest socialist presidents in HISTORY.
This sold out sob Obama, will make him look like a Sunday School Teacher. Good grief, gentlemen, this putting on of the good face is why we're in the shape we're in as a country. Are you all really that GULLIBLE?
Are you secretly thinking that if you go along with this jackass, you won't have to give up your present comfort zone? He is a wolf, and didn't even bother with the sheep's clothing. He is going to rip you from stem to stern, and make no mistake about it. Good Lord you guys are push overs. A few warm and fuzzy moments, and your all back in line with the program. I expect this kind of crap from william, but. Hell never mind.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:14:14 PM »

I could care less if BHO died. He isn't my president and I am hoping that the country splits. I want nothing to do with the liberal scum. They are wrong in every way and compromise with them is only compromising with evil.

Hopefully someone will come forward to lead and the revolution begins.

torpedoman · « **Reply #21 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:40:50 PM »

Quote from: Dee on February 04, 2009, 02:13:08 PM

If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, I'd be willing to bet the damn thing can swim too. GW Bush turned into one of the biggest socialist presidents in HISTORY.
This sold out sob Obama, will make him look like a Sunday School Teacher. Good grief, gentlemen, this putting on of the good face is why we're in the shape we're in as a country. Are you all really that GULLIBLE?
Are you secretly thinking that if you go along with this jackass, you won't have to give up your present comfort zone? He is a wolf, and didn't even bother with the sheep's clothing. He is going to rip you from stem to stern, and make no mistake about it. Good Lord you guys are push overs. A few warm and fuzzy moments, and your all back in line with the program. I expect this kind of crap from william, but. Hell never mind.

It pays to know your enemy watch them carefully and if you fail to respect them when they get it right you will underestimate them.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2009, 03:45:00 PM »

Well lets just piss you off some ,ore.

Today:
Smoke them while you can afford them.
New Cigarette TAX $.62 a pack.
Even with this extra tax the boy said they would still need 24 million more NEW smokers to pay for the program this tax is for.

The Senate just bumped the stimulus package up to $920 billion with over 18,000 programs.
You would laugh your %#& off if you saw what some of this money is going for.
$1.5 million to help out whores! (HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT

)
The list is so long and the talk show was naming them so fast I can't even begin to remember what they were.
GOD our government is so #^^%*@ up it we will never get out of this mess!

LONGTOM

Dee · « **Reply #23 on:** February 05, 2009, 12:56:42 AM »

Quote from: torpedoman on February 04, 2009, 02:40:50 PM

Quote from: Dee on February 04, 2009, 02:13:08 PM
If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, I'd be willing to bet the damn thing can swim too. GW Bush turned into one of the biggest socialist presidents in HISTORY.
This sold out sob Obama, will make him look like a Sunday School Teacher. Good grief, gentlemen, this putting on of the good face is why we're in the shape we're in as a country. Are you all really that GULLIBLE?
Are you secretly thinking that if you go along with this jackass, you won't have to give up your present comfort zone? He is a wolf, and didn't even bother with the sheep's clothing. He is going to rip you from stem to stern, and make no mistake about it. Good Lord you guys are push overs. A few warm and fuzzy moments, and your all back in line with the program. I expect this kind of crap from william, but. Hell never mind.
It pays to know your enemy watch them carefully and if you fail to respect them when they get it right you will underestimate them.

Then I suppose "you" will let me know when they get it right? I don't respect them, and haven't for years, and won't be underestimating them either. I expect the WORST, from them and hope for the best. So far the FORMER is all I have seen.

Mikey · « **Reply #24 on:** February 05, 2009, 01:24:39 AM »

Dee: You're right with one exception. He is not a wolf, wolves have some redeeming qualities. He is a snake - a cold blooded pos whose favorite food is the warm blooded American taxpayer.

LongTom - $1.5 million to help prostituties - howz he gonna do that??? Well, let's see now - a couple for elliot spitzer (oh wait, he had his already), maybe a few for jesse jackson, or fat al sharpton, or rangel the assemblyman from nyc who maintains 3 or 4 apartments in a rent control district, and let's not forget some for emanuel whazzis name, and a few for that commie holder, etc. So, as you can see, at the spitzer discount price of only $5K per hour that amounts to only 300 trysts. I suppose that might be enough to maintain the average guy over a 4 year period but it sure doesn't do much for all those power hungry democraps..............and we're payin' for it too.....

williamlayton · « **Reply #25 on:** February 05, 2009, 03:29:39 AM »

Those are the comments I expected---therfore I am not dissappointed.
Still, if you read my commentary, I stated things I liked that he IS doing.
Do I trust him? NO, not at this point.
Am I optomistic of a 180 degree change? Heavens NO.
I said I liked some of the openess and honesty, and I do.
Do I believe there is hidden agenda? There always has been from all of these clowns.
We got where we are because of the Congress. You boys don't read too well. IT IS NOT the President it is the Congress and America keeps sending these slugs back for more. You guys are doing this, as am I.
The Southern boys started this way back when. When they found that they could gain more influence by sending the same ones up there, they gained seniority and power and power and power and they were Democrats.
You still do the same thing.
Let's elect them one time and get some new wheels after that.
I still am not completely optomistic about him but I like the things I presented.
Blessings

LONGTOM · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2009, 04:10:15 AM »

I must beg to differ.
We do read quit well.
No where in your OP did you say anything about congress.
Heck we all know that it is that bunch on life long politicians that have screwed things up, but you asked about the boy in particular.

You like his openness.
What is so open about the fact that he won't release his papers from college?
What is so open that he will not put to rest the questions about his true citizenship?
Why won't he present his original birth certificate?

You find some appeal in his honesty.
A $3000.00 tax break to small businesses for each new employee hired-now it is down to $500.00.
There will be no lobbyist in my cabinet-straight out lie!
I will bring the troops home-lie, they are not coming home, they are being redeployed into AFGANASTAN or where ever!
I will protect the US and it's flag-HELL HE WON'T EVEN SALUTE THE FLAG!!!

I am sorry but you must be seeing a different part of him than I am.

LONGTOM

myronman3 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2009, 04:17:49 AM »

i am with you william. i still dont trust him, and i will watch him like a hawk. many here are partisan and cant or just wont keep an open mind- and it is their right to do that. but...it does the country no good. i am by no means a convert, but i do know that God has a plan and while i may not like the direction the world is headed, i take comfort in the fact that i am in God's hands.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #28 on:** February 05, 2009, 04:40:51 AM »

myronman3

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many here are partisan and cant or just wont keep an open mind

I know you did not specifically say me so don't take this as me dumping on you.

Every thing I wrote is fact and can be backed up.
That is not partisan or closed minded, it is truth.

LONGTOM

myronman3 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:20:28 AM »

i can respect you position, please dont take what i said as me putting anyone down. i guess the only other thing i have to add is that you shouldnt believe everything you recieve in an email. there is alot of stuff floating around that if you start looking into it, it doesnt hold water. i aint in love with the guy, but like it or not he won the election. and there isnt much at all anyone can do right now about it.