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Offline Malicious Intent

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Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« on: February 04, 2009, 06:13:58 AM »
Hello all,
       Well to get right to the point i'm getting that feeling again. You know the kind that makes you look at that fat tax return and say "hey I think it's time for a new hunting rifle". And any avid sportsman/ firearms owner knows; you can never have enough guns. I am seriously looking at getting a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4. in .303 British. My grandfather had two of them in his lifetime and he swore by them. They seem to be a great rifle and I want to get one into good condition to take deer hunting next year. I see alot of ads on Gunbroker listing Lee Enfields but they are all pretty well banged up and I personally pride myself on two things when it comes to firearms. Skill with the firearm and care of the firearm. Every firearm I own I have in immaculate condition. I was just wondering if anyone knew of any Lee Enfield stock replicators in the Northeast area. Myself i'm from Gloversville (the real upstate), NY. I can re-work the action and get the barrel cleaned and such myself but the tools and skill to replicate a wood stock is where I (censored word) up and lose it like Kurt Warner in a superbowl game. :o Any help would be great. Thanx in advance.

Casey
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Re: Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 03:17:47 AM »
Casey,
 I think if you're going to hunt with a military surpus rifle your choice of the Lee-Enfield is one of the best. See this thread for my reasons http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,145607.0.html

The rifle you're looking at is a No.4 Mk1. I both collect and hunt with LEs so here are my thoughts.

First, you're not going to find a LE in pristine condition less than several hundred dollars. It will only have that value as a military collectible and any changes you make to it would reduce value. You would be much better off spending the same amount of money on a commercial hunting rife. You would end up with something more accurate and better suited to the task.

If you buy an average condition full military configuration Enfield you will pay around $250. If you  sporterize it, that is cut the wood, cut the barrel or add a scope you will reduce the value. In fact pretty much anything you do to a military surplus except cleaning it will reduce the value, that includes adding a new stock, even if it is military, refinishing the metal etc.

Sporterized military rifles hit the hunting scene just after WWII when there were a bazillion of them around and you could buy them for nothing. J.C Penny's used to sell LEs for $14.95. That's not the situation any more. A military suplus rifle in collectible condition seems to appreciate in value about 5% a year. Sporterized ones do not appreciate at all. If you sporterize a collectible you will never get your money back.

If you buy a LE that has already been sporterized you will pay in the $50-$150 range and someone else may already have gone to the expense of putting scope mounts on it for you. LEs have been used in Canada for years as hunting rifles and quite a few sporterized ones have made their way south. Being in NY you shouldn't have much trouble at all finding one that has already been sporterized in good condition. There are after-market synthetic stocks available. Replacement military wood is available from Springfield Sporters or Numrich but it will require a good bit of fitting especially to achieve any sort of accuracy.

There was an outfit called Santa Fe Arms or Golden State Arms that sporterized bunches of LEs in the 60's. They show up on GB and other such sites fairly often. Parker-Hale also sporterized LEs and you might find one of those, although it will be priced like a commercial hunting rifle.

My suggestion is to haunt the pawn shops, gun shows and watch the newspaper for estate sales and auctions to find a sporterized LE. A No4 Mk 1, 1* or 2 or a No.1 MkIII or III* will all work. The * after the number indicates minor production changes that won't make any difference to you.  You might also post a ad on any of the LE forums. Gunboards and Canadiangunnutz would be good starting places.

If you want to hunt with a full military configuration rifle, buy the best looking one you can find for your price range (serial number on bolt and receiver should match, numbers on other parts don't matter), clean it but nothing more and get to the range and practice. The sights are set for a 174 grain bullet. There are plenty of 174/5 and 180 grain commercial loads out there that will work well.

Hope this helps and let us know how you make out.

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Re: Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 06:57:46 AM »
Look around for one of the Sante Fe/ Golden State LEs, they look good and shoot good.
I have one I bought about a yr. ago in excellent condition for (I doubt you'll find one this cheap) $20.  Sights were dead on at 100 yds. with RP factory ammo.  Has a 5 rnd. mag. instead of the usual 10 rounder. Great little gun.
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Re: Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 05:25:26 PM »
Here's my Sante Fe/Golden State lee Enfield.  Not bad for 20 bucks.

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Re: Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2009, 05:30:44 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean to post that pic 3 times.  just learning a more direct way of posting.
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Re: Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 02:48:21 AM »
nice looking rifle hank08.
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Re: Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 01:45:16 PM »
Thanx again for all the info. Cottage Hill Bill I do own quite a few commercial hunting rifles. I myself own two Ruger Mini's (one in 6.8Rem SPC, and the other in 7.62x 39mm), as well as a Remington Woodsmaster in 35 Whelen, and numerous slug guns and equipment for them and that's just to name a few. But I find that I like to use non typical cartridges to hunt and shoot with. I do enjoy my right to own firearms and to go out into the woods and have an all around good experience with every gun I own. I do not seem to care so much about the resell issue with sporterizing an LE and would rather focus on the ballistic capabilities and "huntability" with the LE. Alaround great info thanx alot.

Casey
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Re: Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2009, 03:30:37 PM »
Casey,

I guess the argument I was trying to make was "Please don't chop up a LE that's in original configuration, they're not making them like that anymore. Besides where you live you can easily find one that is already sporterized and will shoot just as well as one you would chop up. That way you can hunt with a .303 and no collectible rifle gets destroyed." The 303 is an excellent hunting round. If price isn't the main concern I'd look around for one of the Santa Fe/Golden Arms rifles. They were well done conversioons for the most part.

Good hunting.

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Re: Help rebuilding a stock for a Lee Enfield No1. Mk4.
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2009, 01:16:08 AM »
 Someone may point you to Boyds for an Enfield replacement stock. I have one of their stocks on my Garand, and it's excellent.

 However, a few years ago I bought one of their SMLE stocks. It looked like it was made by a kid in junior high school wood shop. Total junk that I returned ASAP. Stay away from them unless they've gotten better at making them.
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