Author Topic: Carrierless 209 Breech Plug for Huntsman/Sidekick, Blackhorn 209 Compatable! (Read 29824 times)

petemi · « **Reply #30 on:** February 10, 2009, 03:02:05 AM »

Nick and Bob, Thank you!!

The plug came in yesterday. Super fast service. Thanks also for the "O" rings. I'm going to send this thread to everyone I know with Sidekicks or Huntsmans. I hope you do well with them.

Pete

davey · « **Reply #31 on:** February 10, 2009, 05:08:20 AM »

good tests - how was the barrel clean-up ? did you wet/dry patch after each (bullet test) couple shots ? which bullet/powder combo would be less drop and/or best group at (200 yds)? 200 gr.shockwave?
-----2004 sidekick wood/blue----

bubba · « **Reply #32 on:** February 10, 2009, 02:49:18 PM »

after email contact with Nick, I am sending out a money order in the morning for two 7/8 plugs. I do not plan to shoot bh209, but I am looking forward to good ignition with triple 7 loose. In one of my guns I use the 25 acp, but the factory plug in the other. I have not had any ignition problems with either one, but this plug looks much better in my opinion

petemi · « **Reply #33 on:** February 11, 2009, 02:07:09 AM »

Got my 209 plug yesterday. Put a new trigger guard and hammer spring in and cleaned the rifle this morning. I hope to shoot it this afternoon if the wind stays down. Filled the bolt hole in the stock with #4 shot and wadded it with a couple of cleaning patches to keep it tight and put the butt pad back on. Will post a range report after I get to shoot it. Thanks to everyone here

Pete

petemi · « **Reply #34 on:** February 11, 2009, 07:52:19 AM »

Im having problems with the camera and the computer. Anyhow, can't post pics now, but I fired 6 rounds of Winchester 777 209 primers and two 50 gr. Tripple Seven pellets under .50 cal. Hornady Lock 'n Load sabots. Shot the sabots just to get rid of them. I normally shoot cast bullets. ABSOLUTELY NO BLOWBACK!!!!!

I LOVE IT!!! It's wet and nasty outside. When it dries out a bit I'll group it on paper with my cast bullets.

The whole setup works like an extractor. I don't know if it is the "o" ring or what, but the primer is right there to pull out. I thought that might be a problem, but it's not. Very quick and easy.

One happy Camper,

Pete

Nick Allen · « **Reply #35 on:** February 11, 2009, 10:08:23 AM »

Glad to hear it Pete. Thanks for posting your findings.

Nick

MSP Ret · « **Reply #36 on:** February 11, 2009, 01:03:59 PM »

I called Nick today and ordered a 5/8" breechplug and he was great. Thanks for the heads up on this fine and needed improvement to the H&R ML's....<><....

petemi · « **Reply #37 on:** February 12, 2009, 04:05:33 AM »

I tried posting a single pic of two 209 primers shot yesterday to show how clean all of them were. This site told me the file was too large to download. I don't understand that, but believe me, they looked unfired. Busta and Nick, you guys done good

I just pushed a guy in this direction in the classifieds wanting to buy a .25 plug. I think this plug has it all over the .25 'cause you don't have to reload brass, and it WORKS.

Pete

john keyes · « **Reply #38 on:** February 12, 2009, 03:03:59 PM »

lets hear it for Metrics Unlimited!

I got my two plugs this evening. Excellent service!

I'm so glad I never got the 25 acp stuff, I was so close.

I still don't understand why H&R/NEF couldn't do this in the first place.

lefty41 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 12, 2009, 03:09:30 PM »

I received my 5/8" plug today. Very quick service from Nick. Thanks Nick, looks good, now to find the time to burn some powder. Busta, your work on this very usuful to the H&R ML group and our thanks to you for all the testing and reports.
Now to find some sights for my Huntsman. Weaver #82 rail is all I have, front sight gone completely and rear sight just has the base. Would like to keep open sights, either firesight; or better yet, a peep sight.
Good up the good, no, great work guys!

bubba · « **Reply #40 on:** February 12, 2009, 03:28:29 PM »

lefty,

let me look through my stuff. I have a set of firesites that came off my sidekick and an older set off my huntsman if I can find them. They will not go back on my gun so if I can find them, I will let you know and you can have them.

lefty41 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 12, 2009, 03:31:44 PM »

Quote from: bubba on February 12, 2009, 03:28:29 PM

lefty,

let me look through my stuff. I have a set of firesites that came off my sidekick and an older set off my huntsman if I can find them. They will not go back on my gun so if I can find them, I will let you know and you can have them.

Thanks Bubba, That would be very helpful.

jrkrk · « **Reply #42 on:** February 12, 2009, 05:36:26 PM »

What size O ring do I need? Where do you buy them?

Busta · « **Reply #43 on:** February 12, 2009, 07:21:01 PM »

Quote from: jrkrk on February 12, 2009, 05:36:26 PM

What size O ring do I need? Where do you buy them?

Nick is using a 1/8" I.D. x 1/4" O.D. x 1/16" thick o-ring. I picked up a few of these today and it does look as if they will be the easiest to install/remove. The ones I had were actually too large for easy installation, but It would compress and worked very well.

I have been trying to educate myself on o-rings, I didn't realize how many different types of material these are made out of. There are at least 8 different materials stocked by this vendor. They have different temperature ranges and range in price from $1.88 for 100 to $37.37 for 1.

Holy smokes, that one must go on the Space Shuttle or to NASA.

In this application, I would expect to replace mine every 25 shots or so. IF those el-cheapo $1.88 for 100 pieces ones hold up that long, that would only add about 2 cents to a blowback free range session. I will be ordering a few different types for experimentation. No matter how you look at it most of these are way cheaper than the leaky old primer carriers. I am also sure that there may be different life expectancies of the different materials when used in their intended application, our application is a torture test of heat/pressure/time, the three ingredients to erosion failure. We will eventually figure out the best material for this purpose, and it may indeed be one of the less expensive shoices, or the 2 cent per piecce ones for that matter.

If anyone knows wht material would be best for this torture we are putting them through, please speak up.

Check these out, you can get more information by clicking on the type you want to check out. It will give you the intended temperature ranges. Of course we are exceeding that, but we can just change it out after it is shot out for just pennies. Also check the quantity. Let me know what you guys think.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000084731608

carbineman · « **Reply #44 on:** February 13, 2009, 05:20:05 AM »

Quote from: Busta on February 12, 2009, 07:21:01 PM

Quote from: jrkrk on February 12, 2009, 05:36:26 PM
What size O ring do I need? Where do you buy them?

Nick is using a 1/8" I.D. x 1/4" O.D. x 1/16" thick o-ring. I picked up a few of these today and it does look as if they will be the easiest to install/remove. The ones I had were actually too large for easy installation, but It would compress and worked very well.

I have been trying to educate myself on o-rings, I didn't realize how many different types of material these are made out of. There are at least 8 different materials stocked by this vendor. They have different temperature ranges and range in price from $1.88 for 100 to $37.37 for 1. Holy smokes, that one must go on the Space Shuttle or to NASA.

In this application, I would expect to replace mine every 25 shots or so. IF those el-cheapo $1.88 for 100 pieces ones hold up that long, that would only add about 2 cents to a blowback free range session. I will be ordering a few different types for experimentation. No matter how you look at it most of these are way cheaper than the leaky old primer carriers. I am also sure that there may be different life expectancies of the different materials when used in their intended application, our application is a torture test of heat/pressure/time, the three ingredients to erosion failure. We will eventually figure out the best material for this purpose, and it may indeed be one of the less expensive shoices, or the 2 cent per piecce ones for that matter.

If anyone knows wht material would be best for this torture we are putting them through, please speak up.

Check these out, you can get more information by clicking on the type you want to check out. It will give you the intended temperature ranges. Of course we are exceeding that, but we can just change it out after it is shot out for just pennies. Also check the quantity. Let me know what you guys think.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000084731608

Maybe a group buy or maybe Nick at Metrics Unlimited can sell them to us (for a profit on their part of course) after the experimentation is complete.

I am somewhat confused on the O Ring. Does it sit at the bottom of the interior of breechplug or around the primer and up against the top of the breechplug opening?

Nick Allen · « **Reply #45 on:** February 13, 2009, 06:49:15 AM »

The o-ring goes in the primer pocket in front of the primer.

I hope that clears things up

Nick

Busta · « **Reply #46 on:** February 13, 2009, 07:15:11 AM »

That link I posted previously doesn't work, sorry. I did a search on the site for all of the 1/4" O.D. x 1/16" Thick o-rings and it shows all of them, but it won't work as a link. Go here and click on the outside diameter (1/4" .250") and the thickness (1/16" .0625") drop downs and it will give you all the different materials. Click on the picture box for that item and it will give you more information.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/O-rings/O-rings-&-Accessories/Raw-Materials/s0000001926.HTML

Here are the cheap ones.

http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1797349&PMT4NO=0

MSP Ret · « **Reply #47 on:** February 13, 2009, 08:44:49 AM »

IIRC Nick told me the O-rings are a #60 and you can get them in the plumbing section at Lowes. I am not sure what material they are made of but for the price they are a great deal....<><....

P.S. - I will not be using the one for $37.37....<><....

john keyes · « **Reply #48 on:** February 13, 2009, 01:08:38 PM »

Look for the demand and price of Huntsmans and Sidekicks to go back up.

Busta, I just got my two plugs and havent shot yet, I want to be VERY cautious not to bugger up that hex nut removing a stubborn post-firing plug. I see a half inch works, any tips for us, I REALLY do NOT want to round one of my new plugs off!

Thanks!

Keith Lewis · « **Reply #49 on:** February 13, 2009, 01:26:20 PM »

I noticed that the hex is sort of shallow which also concerned me. I think I will find the socket that works the best and grind the front surface flat to eliminate the round edges of the sockets as they are usually made. That would increase the bearing surface on the shallow hex.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #50 on:** February 13, 2009, 03:56:19 PM »

That was a concern I had when I looked at the pictures of them but let it slide after all the great comments about them. Perhaps they can be changed a bit and the hex portion can be made a bit deeper/thicker. Hopefully with the absence of fouling they will unscrew easier and there will be no problems stripping the bearing surface where the socket rests. Mine should be enroute and I will check it out in person soon!!!...<><....

Busta · « **Reply #51 on:** February 13, 2009, 06:30:27 PM »

I shoot Blackhorn 209, never even come close to a stuck plug with that. If you shoot 777, you might want to use a good anti-sieze grease or the teflon tape like I do. The hex is shorter than most, just make sure you have your socket straight and a good purchase before cranking on it.

Kieth is all over it with the ground 1/2" socket idea. Some of the sockets have 1/8" of lead before you get to the flats. If your socket is like that, you may want to get one with less lead or grind it for maximum purchase.

I do know you want a socket with six flats, don't use one with the 12 pointed star pattern. I don't even need a socket wrench with mine and BH209, I just use a 1/2" nut driver.

jcal73 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 14, 2009, 05:03:58 AM »

My plug came in last week while I was working in SC.

I would like to say thanks to BUSTA and NICK and all the folks at Metrics Unlimited.

I bought two 10 packs of the #60 Orings at Lowes last night for $1.97 a pack, not to bad.

I was wanting to shoot it today, but we have rain in my part of AL.

Thanks again,
Jeff

Busta · « **Reply #53 on:** February 14, 2009, 08:11:13 AM »

Jeff,

That is the other added bonus of the o-ring, it seals the breech and keeps your powder dry.

That rain won't hurt you now!

You guys can take a used primer, paint it orange, red, or another bright color for identification to place in your rifle when not in use. This will keep the breech sealed and keep moisture from contaminating your powder.

carbineman · « **Reply #54 on:** February 14, 2009, 09:17:07 AM »

Quote from: Nick Allen on February 13, 2009, 06:49:15 AM

The o-ring goes in the primer pocket in front of the primer.

I hope that clears things up

Nick

Sure does. Thanks Nick

lefty41 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 14, 2009, 12:46:13 PM »

Quote from: Busta on February 14, 2009, 08:11:13 AM

Jeff,

You guys can take a used primer, paint it orange, red, or another bright color for identification to place in your rifle when not in use. This will keep the breech sealed and keep moisture from contaminating your powder.

Busta, I like that idea. Will do that for sure.

bubba · « **Reply #56 on:** February 14, 2009, 12:54:36 PM »

Lefty,

I have searched high and low for the sights with no luck. I may have already given them away. My apologies. I will keep looking but not holding out hope now

lefty41 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:40:34 AM »

Quote from: bubba on February 14, 2009, 12:54:36 PM

Lefty,

I have searched high and low for the sights with no luck. I may have already given them away. My apologies. I will keep looking but not holding out hope now

No problem, thanks for looking

walmpus · « **Reply #58 on:** February 18, 2009, 06:53:31 AM »

I would be willing to get in line for a 7/8" breech plug. The 5/8" looks pretty nice so they know how to make quailty work. Especailly for the price of the 5/8".............thats a deal hard to beat.

Walmpus

whitetailmaniac · « **Reply #59 on:** February 18, 2009, 12:30:20 PM »

I got my 209 plug today. Fine product!!! Fits perfect. Thanks Nick and Busta