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What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« on: February 06, 2009, 04:54:38 AM »
I was watching some news coverage on a variety of stations last night, and couldn't believe what I was hearing.  Phrases like "16 senators huddled in a corner,"  "making inapproiate back door deals right there on the senate floor," and my personal favorite was "the majority of people doesn't want this bill, the majority of congress doesn't want this bill, we will just have to wait and see if they can make enough deals to get this bill passed."  If this package is so good for our country, why does everyone hate it?  Why are they having to make deals on the floor to get it passed? BTW for those who don't know this is an at the current 9 HUNDRED BILLION DOLLAR stimlus and recovery plan on top of the 7 HUNDRED BILLION DOLLAR bailout!

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 05:17:32 AM »
I am sticking with Peter Schiff and Jim Rogers on this one. They say no, I say no. They called the collapse and were heckled because of it. Now who is laughing...no one, because no one listened to them back in 2005 - 07.

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 05:43:54 AM »
I was against the 1st bailout.  I was against the auto bailout.  I'm against this one as well.

Now, should the govt want to give us, the people, 900 billion, more power to them :D
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 05:48:59 AM »
I was against the 1st bailout.  I was against the auto bailout.  I'm against this one as well.

Now, should the govt want to give us, the people, 900 billion, more power to them :D

Very well said. A little off topic but related to what you said. We could have used some of the 170 million for obamas innogeration 2.
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 05:52:20 AM »
I heard the other day that some Senator had ask that 50 million that was
ear marked for the "endowment of the arts" be put in highway funds and was shot
down. What are they going to spend it on, if is some thing that does not create
jobs then it is wrong. I have no problem with the arts but don't think that
is on top of my list, when folks are loosing their jobs.
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 06:01:32 AM »
Too many people loosing thier jobs. My friend 21 years old just had a newborn baby. He was with the same company since he was 17. Just got laid off. He has tried day in and day out to get a job so he can support that little baby girl(who happens to be my god daughter). Its ashame. This country has been slowly going down hill. Now its like they strapped some roller blades on because now they are flying down that hill. I am a very lucky in the aspect that the company i work for is over 100 years and made it through the first depression. SO my job is safe for the most pat(probably because my family owns it). But i feel so bad for all these people like my friend. Lucky for him he picked a good god father and i will help him anytime for that little girl. But it is sad. Get new jobs out there.!!
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 09:31:03 AM »
Politics as usual-

Which is exactly what Obama promised WOULDN'T HAPPEN.

Haven't seen a thing in the "stimulus plan" that I think will help anyone.

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 09:38:45 AM »
I make another new .45-70 out of it.
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 10:21:05 AM »
I was watching some news coverage on a variety of stations last night, and couldn't believe what I was hearing.  Phrases like "16 senators huddled in a corner,"  "making inapproiate back door deals right there on the senate floor," and my personal favorite was "the majority of people doesn't want this bill, the majority of congress doesn't want this bill, we will just have to wait and see if they can make enough deals to get this bill passed." 

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 10:44:30 AM »
1.  Nobody wants to vote for this pig unless they get something out of it.
2.  Nobody actually knows what to do or if it will work.
3.  Nobody wants to be identified as the guy who did nothing while Rome burned.
Quite a conundrum. The only sure thing is that WE will pay for it.

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2009, 11:14:54 AM »
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If this package is so good for our country, why does everyone hate it?

Because everyone knows that it won't work and the only way they can pay for it is by raising taxes, our taxes!
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2009, 11:19:49 AM »
  Heather;
  More than half the items are not stimulus and should only be considered in the regular budget. The whole package is just the "big government" types using our money to buy more government power..which they can use to restrict/remove our Constitutional rights.
  A big, fat NO..trhe way I see it.
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   I am in "the arts" http://possumtrot0.tripod.com/  and for several reasons, I have always been against any public money being used to support the arts. Here are some of them:

  1) A person should be in the arts because they would do it even if they made no money at it.

  2) If an artist cannot make anything which people are not willing to plunk their hard-earned money down for, then the artist should
   either. A) Quit doing the art, since nobody greatly values it ..or B) Stay with the art of one's choice, but GIVE the product away.

  ..And perhaps the primary reason why the Government shoud "butt out" of the arts:
     Grants are awarded by a few politically appointed individuals and we can see the result. We have seen crucifixes suspended in vats of urine, piggish women covering their bare bodies with chocolate syrup and portraits (supposedly depicting Mary) smeared with elephant dung.
  How many in the public would willingly pay a couple thou$and for that ? Such art, paid for with taxpayer's funds seem to be more a political statement by political appointees.
   Let the public indicate (with their wallets & checkbooks) just what will be our artistic culture..not a small clicque political hacks !
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2009, 11:29:41 AM »
I got a couple of pieces of art that I bought along with a bunch of other stuff at an auction for $4. REAL art. Oil paintings. Think I could get a couple of million $ from Obama for 'em.

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2009, 01:37:50 PM »
buy the way anyone ever ask were this cash is coming from? you cant cut taxes and spend billions at the same time i smell a skunk
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2009, 03:08:44 PM »
just bend over.   More money down a rathole, no new jobs created , the infrastructure projects will be under 10% but that's what it is suppost to be about the social programs funded will buy 2 or 3 more elections.
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2009, 03:29:48 PM »
The bill includes condoms for the poor, reseeding the capitol lawn......I beieve we have a bunch of loonies running the nation.

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2009, 04:05:47 PM »
I beieve we have a bunch of loonies running the nation.

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2009, 04:14:35 PM »
IT  IS  ONLY  MONEY

with  so much of it being thrown around
it can't be worth much
it's  just there for the asking  ...why work for  it

i  see  minimum wages   going  up to offset inflation
the poor  will rejoice in  how  they are looking out for the little people
but this will add to further inflation

this  is all  good for  me and  others  that are playing  the system
i  owe the bank a lot of money  for rental property
with  inflation  and  the  new minimum wage
I  CAN  RAISE  RENTS  on poor  people
i  will still  owe  the bank  the same amount of money  [minus a little from payments]
and  it will  be harder for them  to buy  a house  after  inflation    keeping  them paying  me

like  they  say  the rich keep getting righer  and the poor keep getting poorer

this  whole  economic  thing really confuses  me
the bottom  line  is  that  OBAMA  and the democrats
want  you dis armed  and vulnerable
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2009, 04:16:54 PM »
The inmates are running the asylum!

God is the only one that can help us now! Unfortunately he is not allowed in a lot of places in this country! He may feel like OB1's preacher !
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2009, 04:33:22 PM »
Nancy Pelosi is the definition of dumb. I watched Katie Couric interview her and when Couric started drilling Pelosi about the pork in the bill, Pelosi just started stuttering, babbling, and back peddling. Pelosi looked worse than Palin during Palin's network grillings.

Pelosi is from California and she represents her State well. California....the land of Fruits 'n Nuts, followed by a few bottles of wine.

It's just unbelievable.

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2009, 04:45:17 PM »
From the way she talks and her head shakes it appears Pelosi may have Parkinson Disease. Medication that fights parkinson also scrambles the brains.

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2009, 04:17:10 AM »
Well, I for one have great faith in Nancy, Harry and Barry.  That would be Nancy Jones, Harry Smith and Barry Black.  They aren't running the country. 

The Nancy, Harry and Barry who are running the country are well on their way to running it into the ground.  That was a given.  The people who I hold the most animosity toward at the moment are the three RINOs who are assisting in this venture--Sen. Snow, Sen. Collins and that Specter from Pa.
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2009, 06:35:43 AM »
Did anybody ever find it curious that there was no significant opposition, from either party, for the 122 Billion for bailing out AIG .... but consider the uproar over just 15 billion for the auto industry

Why did the republicans roll over on that bail out and get their panties in bunch now

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2009, 07:46:57 AM »
Interesting article in the December 'o8 Newsweek magazine about the "politics" of the auto industry bailout. It's always "about me, me, me" but I found this interesting to read how our foreign "investors" have such a big influence in our American political system...and our political spending.

This snippet from the Newsweek article:

"A second auto industry has emerged: nonunion, Southern-based and foreign-owned. Large plants, with names of Asian and European carmakers emblazoned upon them, now dot the Southern landscape alongside civil War memorials. By moving aggressively into Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, Georgia and Texas, foreign manufacturers--call the the "Little-Eight"--have transformed the economic geography of the nation's auto industry and the political debate surrounding its future."

"To hear the rhetoric wafting down from Capitol Hill of late, you'd think that Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, and the rest are as all-American as Mom and apple pie. And, in many ways, they now are. Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky made an impassioned plea on the Senate floor for his colleagues to oppose the $15 billion aid package the house of Representatives had approved for General motors, Ford and Chrysler. "Labor costs need to be brought on par with companies like Nissan, Toyota and Honda--not tomorrow, but immediately," he said. By the weekend, McConnell and fellow antibailout Republicans like Richard Shelby of Alabama and Bob Corker of Tennessee had stopped the bailout bill in the Senate. The southerners seem to have chosen an especially precipitous time to pick their fight with the Detroit Yankees....."


So, it would appear that those predictions from decades past that we beat the Japs on the war front, but they would come back and beat us on the economic side are slowly coming to be true. It's like a sad case of cancer. But the American public seems to sit back and continue to smoke the cigarettes and tell everyone how wonderful it is. BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO NOTICE THE INFLUENCE THAT THE JAPANESE HAVE ON OUR OWN REPRESENTATIVES!!! THE PEOPLE THAT WE ELECT TO RUN OUR COUNTRY!!! Talk about having your head in the sand!!!!

Bankruptcy is always an option for the Big 3. But I don't really know if the average guy on the street understands the ripple effect of a major U.S. automaker bankruptcy. All of the "little suppliers" that the automaker owes....those guys....they are the ones who don't get paid. And those little guys employ lots of people too. And when they don't get paid, their employees don't get paid. And it goes on, and on.

Well, I'll keep buying my Chevy's and Fords. No one can convince me that the Nippon cars are of better quality. I've owned American for the last 25 years and have been very satisfied. A minimum of 100K per vehicle before I sell them to a relative (one now has 260K on it). 

Meanwhile, the foreigners are taking over our Government. Like a silent case of cancer....and we see it....but we choose to ignore it, and we keep buying their products that allow them to fund it. Go figure?

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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2009, 08:57:04 AM »
  Goater;
  The republicans were s-l-o-w to catch onto such stupid spending, but eventually they did..Now we are waiting for the Democrats to "get it" ...if they ever will... :D
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2009, 09:19:55 AM »
The bailout the way it is will not help the economy.  Too much pork that will not provide actual jobs.  As far as the auto industry.  The average Toyota worker in Kentucky makes about $24 an hour.  The average GM worker makes about $26.  Adding in benefits.  The average Toyota worker makes about $42 an hour, the average GM worker makes about $46.  However adding in the GM benefits to retirees, it goes up to $96 an hour for GM and about $62 for Toyota.  Full medical benefits with no co-pays, pensions, etc, are killing American companies.  They need to at least go to co-pays on insurance, and make the workers work longer before retireing.  Like 58 or 60.  Also, the top management needs to take some cuts and give up some perks also. 

I think the bailout needs a combination of tax cuts and selected spending. 

Spending:
1) Roads, bridges, and infrastructure improvements. 
2) Have pharmicutical companies make stockpiles of vaccines for potential terriost bacterial threat.  Don't stop until enough is made for everyone in America.
3) Spend money on research.  For instance NASA was working on a way to make natural gas out of Martian atmosphere for people to use if we ever go to Mars.  This has a side effect.  Make it out of earths atmosphere, would pull carbon dioxide out and use it to make synthetic natural gas. 
4) Build the fence on the border with Mexico. 

Tax Cuts
1) For utilities to build wind, solar, nuclear power plants.
2) For building synthetic gas and diesel fuel plants making fuel from coal. (we have an 800 year supply)
3) Cut capital gains for investments in stocks and bonds.  (Would help this to boom and restore 401(k) plans and IRA's for people saving for retirement.
4) Remove per gallon tax off domestically produced fuel.

New Taxes
1) Foreign imports in competition with American industry especially if they get subsities from their governments (like Airbus of France competing with Boeing)
2) Tax each barrel of imported oil in place of the per gallon tax above. 

Regulations:
1) Reinstall banking regulations that were removed in 1998-99 that led to the mortgage breakdown recently.
2) Remove restrictions on domestically produced energy, like on government land, offshore, etc. 

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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2009, 01:40:23 PM »
Its a joke. Nothing more than a spending bill full of mostly pork barell socialist program garbage.Its all designed as Obama's payback to the unions and other social program contributors. I find it amazing that most of the bills spending won't even happen intill 2011.... very interesting since that when Obama starts his campaign for his second term. ::)
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2009, 02:29:46 PM »
I wonder, if the politicos in our government bankrupt our great country, will their retirment funds be gone also?
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2009, 02:38:25 PM »
Na, they'll retire fat and happy... Smoking cigars, drinking fine brandy and watching "average" americans on the 6 oclock news eating the soles of their shoes for nutrition...  :-\
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Re: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2009, 02:45:50 PM »
yep  they are manipulating the economy to their advandage

congress  and  soros are  in it together

they  will  just print  all the money they need
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