Author Topic: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan? (Read 2765 times)

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 07, 2009, 05:57:28 PM »

Like I said I was willing to give him a chance to show me that he was different and things would be different....well he showed me alright. He showed me in the first 7 days.... GOD!

Just another of the same old same old..but with a socialist slant and cost beyond comprehension. Greed is alive and well in the White house and congress nothing changed.

Also, like I said he had the chance to go down in history as one of the greatest Presidents we ever had. He could have shown once and forever that a black man is capable.

Yet he lacked the courage to stand up to the extremes on both the left and the right. He could have demanded only what is needed and only things that indeed create or keep jobs. In other words he could have stood up for what is right for the Nation he was supposed to lead.

Had he done that the people of this Nation would have rallied behind him and gritted their teeth to bear the bad times to come. If he had just showed us that he was trying and doing all he could for the good of this country as a whole. We would have had respect for him as a leader and we would understand that some things were going to be bad and a lot of people were going to be hurt. Yet we would make out the other side stronger.

Now we do not respect him, we know he is not interested in the Nation first only in paying political debts and swelling the pocketbooks of the Democrats and their relatives with PORK FATTER THAN THE FATTEST PIG EVER.

It is a shame, it was in his grasp, yet he let Polosi and Reid and others blow it. In 6 months you will not find too many people that will admit voting for him and the Nation as a whole will be on the edge. When they realize just how far into a socialist state we are.

The Republicans can not take the blame on this one, the Democrats will pay dearly. However, it may be too late...

mauser98us · « **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2009, 06:05:42 PM »

As Rush Limbaugh states "The Porkulous Plan" Pretty much sez it all

goater · « **Reply #32 on:** February 08, 2009, 03:56:19 AM »

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As Rush Limbaugh states "The Porkulous Plan"

Rush suffered a moment of projection while he looked into a mirror

45-70.gov · « **Reply #33 on:** February 08, 2009, 04:03:53 AM »

bush had a stimulus plan.........called it iraq and afganistan

but the people trying to control all this money blame him for his stimulus plan
as the cause of the mess '' we are told'' we are in

magooch · « **Reply #34 on:** February 08, 2009, 04:35:34 AM »

If the goal is really to create jobs, all that is necessary is to get the illegals out of here. Actually there probably aren't enough real Americans to fill all the jobs that would open up.

My daughter and son-in-law just had a new house built and there couldn't have been more than about three of the peole involved in the job who could even speak english. The foundation people were all Mexicans; the framers were Mexicans, except for their lead guy; the roofers were Mexicans, except for the lead guy; the finish carpenters were Russians, or some such thing--couldn't speak two words I could understand; the electrician and plumbers were Americans. Oh yeah, the painters were Americans and weren't worth a shirt.

Needless to say, my daughter and her husband weren't real happy with the company that they contracted with to build the house. If they had known that most of the subs would be Mexicans and commies, they would never have signed the contract.

Tommyt · « **Reply #35 on:** February 08, 2009, 04:46:17 AM »

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: What do you guys make of the Stimulus Plan?

I don't like it a Bit too work it will Need a lot of work

BUT why hasn't full(any

) attention been Given to the Insurance and Oil Company's that are Raping us Daily

I feel they caused a big Bang in the pocket of the American Public
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patriotpa · « **Reply #36 on:** February 08, 2009, 04:49:31 AM »

Borrowing money to spend your way out of a hole doesn't work. All this will do is devalue the dollar. This bill is nothing but expansion of government, feel-good spending and PORK. DingleBarry needs to step down NOW and let someone who knows what to do take the reins.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 08, 2009, 05:06:57 AM »

To create jobs:

Cut the personal federal income tax rate. Put more money in working people's hands. They need it to pay bills and hopefully have some left over to spend on consumer type items. Retail is in the dumper and the only thing that will help retail are consumers.

Cut the corporate/business income tax rate: We have the highest corp tax rate in the world.1 of many Key reason why corporations offshore jobs.Business needs an incentive to no layoff workers. More cash in their pockets will help keep people employed.

Cut the corporate/business capitol gains tax. This will provide incentive for companies to reinvest in capitol type purchases. Things such as new machines or retooling/upgrading a production line. Adding an addition on to their warehouse, buying a new fork lift, buying more or replace old trucks in their fleet, buy a new bull dozer, etc, etc.

Cut the capital gains tax rate on individuals. People with money need an incentive to start investing their money again. This will help small business find capitol & cash to help fund their business from non-bank sources. It will also help public corporations gain capitol from the markets.

No tax rebate unless you pay taxes. Giving cash to people who don't pay tax is welfare.

We do not need a massive spending bill. The Obama/Democrate plan is nothing more than payback to the big unions and home town pork projects designed to kick in when we starts his run for his second term. Its a joke.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 08, 2009, 05:19:54 AM »

Cabin you have really hit the nail on the head there.

This stimulus package will do nothing but create some very short term jobs and very long term dept. Cutting taxes will create job growth and production in permanent jobs.

Road and bridge building, while very necessary are not a job that creates a gain in the trade deficit. What we need in America is more producing of durable goods to be sold both here and abroad. Mining, energy, and farming are probably the most important businesses in making gains on the trade deficit. Taxation and regulation of American industry is only making American industry less competitive with the world.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #39 on:** February 08, 2009, 06:48:32 AM »

Damn Cabin.....I like the way you think!!!!!

Here's another one to throw out there......For ALL Large Publicly held Corporations: No corporate income tax AT ALL.....as long as the Corporation pays out AT LEAST 50% of it's annual profits to it's shareholders!!!!

Then the shareholders will pay the tax on the dividends. But that will leave the corporations half of the annual profits to re-invest into equipment and infrastructure! And that will create business spending and JOBS!!!!

And the dividend payouts will put money into the economy, tax revenue into the States and back to the Fed's...and provide those who hold the stock with money to either re-invest into the market (and thus drive the market back up so that those who's retirement plans went to crap will come back) or they will spend it and drive the economy back to a positive slide.....not a negative slide!

Dave

Cabin4 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2009, 07:02:16 AM »

One other point I forgot:

All sectors of government must cut spending especially those expenditures that are "non-producing". Such as teachers and teacher retirement funds and anything else that not convert to product or service purchases. This needs to be done at the state , local and federal level. Sucking tax dollars from the public to spend it on things that don't multiply, are a pure waist and do little to nothing to stimulate the economy.

The economy won't be stimulated by non-producing or non-multipling spending. Leave the cash in the private sector and keep it out of political rangenling by career politicians who's only purpose is to spend your money so they can get reelected.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 08, 2009, 07:28:12 AM »

We are turning into a country where there is so much overhead, our products cannot compete in the world.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #42 on:** February 08, 2009, 10:27:08 AM »

Quote from: cabin4 on February 08, 2009, 07:02:16 AM

One other point I forgot:

All sectors of government must cut spending especially those expenditures that are "non-producing". Such as teachers and teacher retirement funds ....

Way off base on this one. So.....let's see....the Japs are way far ahead of us as far as educating their children vs us educating our children, and you are proposing to cut expenditures in education.

Well, how do you reconcile that one?

Dave

Cabin4 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 08, 2009, 10:56:01 AM »

Schools, teachers and their enormous pension plans all need to tighten the belt just like the rest of the country. I am absolutely opposed to bailing out teacher pension plans because of the market and banking crash. If their pension plans get bailed out, what about the rest of the people who suffered the same fate in corporations, small business or what about those people who's 401k is now a 201k? They should get bailed out as well then...

Cutting back on funding for education does not mean cutting back on education for kids. Teachers pension plans are the problem with the public school system.

ironglow · « **Reply #44 on:** February 08, 2009, 11:01:19 AM »

Cutting expenditures for "education" doesn't necessarily mean cutting education. It may be the school may not get the astroturf football field or that the teachers would not retire with double the statewide average pay. There is no need in kidding ourselves, in many schools there are plenty of places where savings can be had without much if any, pain. My home school district is very wasteful..and still ready to take up any chance to soak the taxpayers even more.
  Here in the SRNY (Socialist Republic of New York).. the teachers get a very lucrative retirement for the most part of $80,000 or better, the statewide average pay is something like $41,000. The crooked politicians, who owe thair jopbs to the teachers & other unions..have agree that if the teacher's retirement fund came up a bit short and couldn't pay the full $80,000 or better...why, we the taxzpayers would make up the difference. If my retirement fund comes up short..that's just TS..but I have to make good the teacher's retirement out of my reduced funds.. No crocadile tears here..

   Cabin 4;
   You are just the kind of man the prez should have in his cabinet and stimulus advisory committee ..but he'd never call you, you make too much sense!

  Chances are you would be ineligible to serve at a cabinet level ...you have proibably paid your taxes..

billy_56081 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 08, 2009, 11:07:58 AM »

Exactly IG, I have to say our kids deserve the best in education. That said, when I look at our schools now I see a completely foreign affair from when I was in school. School psychologists? School social workers? Lifestyle councilors? ESL teachers? All at the expense of our kids education. American schools are being turned into a social engineering experiment and actual true education has taken a back seat to tyring to indoctrinate our children into a a different way of life.

epanzella · « **Reply #46 on:** February 08, 2009, 01:26:12 PM »

The FIRST thing they have to do is to get non-productive spending in check.
Take total revenue and subtract essential services like police, fire, sanitatation, education, ect.
What's left is the money available to spend on politicians. The more politicians they have the less each one makes. If they want a raise, they just have to decide how many politicians they are going to fire and split their pay among the survivors.

I know one thing, if you're hurting from getting hit by a hammer, it's unlikely that getting hit by a BIGGER hammer is going to make it all better.
Ed Panzella

Davemuzz · « **Reply #47 on:** February 08, 2009, 03:15:21 PM »

Well guys......there are some fundamental economics here. Look at my previous post concerning the stock market. There are some avenues that can be taken to kick the stock market back up. That will help decrease the need to make the BIG funding for these plans to meet their current obligations.

The market goes up.....the benefits can be met, the current funding needs will go down.

Dave

Oldshooter · « **Reply #48 on:** February 08, 2009, 03:49:45 PM »

The problem is is that it is a done deal. there is back room deals being made the ob1 says it is a must to save the economy and the fools in washington are buying that crap!

What should scare the hell outa everyone is the fact that he is saying it is a rush or loose deal hell most of the true stimulus wont happen for years(when he is running for re-election)

Its a "I'm gonna reward the bros that got me here package"

The bottom line is we may never get through paying for it!

CannonKrazy · « **Reply #49 on:** February 08, 2009, 03:56:39 PM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on February 08, 2009, 03:49:45 PM

Its a "I'm gonna reward the bros that got me here package"

The bottom line is we may never get through paying for it!

You are correct. "WE" wont ever pay for it. Our great grand kids will still be paying on this. Chances are that something else will happen before this is paid and the country will be in the same mess again in just a few years. This stimulis package is only a bandaid fix for a short term. This thing is going to bite us again in the near future.

1Longbow · « **Reply #50 on:** February 08, 2009, 04:39:29 PM »

Why would anyone believe that that idiots that got us into this mess ,could come up with a plan to get us out of it! I read that for every job this wonderful bill creates,it will cost the tax payers $300,000 . Gee I wonder if the small business in this country could do a better job than that. NOTHING will change in this country until we take our government back! That means voting them ALL out,and starting over. 1Longbow
P.S - Part of the bill also calls for money to help wine growers,funny Nancy Pelosi;s husband happens to be in that line of work

Oldshooter · « **Reply #51 on:** February 08, 2009, 05:31:36 PM »

dont get me started on california or Nancy Pelosi

Do ya think we could get somebody to buy it and close it down. I keep hoping for the big quake to make arizona ocean front property! Not much of value on the left coast IMHO!

Davemuzz · « **Reply #52 on:** February 09, 2009, 12:55:02 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on February 08, 2009, 05:31:36 PM

dont get me started on california or Nancy Pelosi

Do ya think we could get somebody to buy it and close it down. I keep hoping for the big quake to make arizona ocean front property! Not much of value on the left coast IMHO!

Well.....the quake will only be a Godsend if Nancy is standing in her grape-field when it happens.

OLDHandgunner · « **Reply #53 on:** February 09, 2009, 01:46:15 AM »

Same OLD crap in Washington. Only this time there not only taking our money they are going to try to take our guns.
WHO VOTED FOR THESE'S PEOPLE ?

Questor · « **Reply #54 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:16:19 AM »

What do I think of it? It's name is exactly the opposite of what it will do.

ironglow · « **Reply #55 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:23:06 AM »

Dave, the stock market would go up if the govt would do just two things;

1) Scrap the stimulus/porkulus package.

2) Cut taxes..across the board.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #56 on:** February 09, 2009, 04:01:43 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on February 09, 2009, 03:23:06 AM

Dave, the stock market would go up if the govt would do just two things;

1) Scrap the stimulus/porkulus package.

2) Cut taxes..across the board.

Pork?

Would Nancy have Pork in her package??

The sad part is you and I can Bi$^c about this all day. It won't do anything except (1) raise our blood pressure or (2) lower our blood pressure. Either way, Nancy will twist that in some fashion to promote national health care at a cost of trillions. And hey.....look at how good they care for our veterans!!!

Grrrrr.

Dave

ironglow · « **Reply #57 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:06:25 PM »

Sadly, you're correct Dave..

LONGTOM · « **Reply #58 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:24:52 PM »

It won't work with all the crap they have in it.
China tried it 10 times since 1990 with out all the crap that is in ours and it still didn't work.
Not only is our government so stupid that it can't learn from their mistakes, it can't even learn from other nations mistakes!

If we can hold out this long then vote them all out in 2 years and lets try again with all new people.

LONGTOM

magooch · « **Reply #59 on:** February 10, 2009, 02:58:41 AM »

Quote from: LONGTOM on February 09, 2009, 05:24:52 PM

It won't work with all the crap they have in it.
China tried it 10 times since 1990 with out all the crap that is in ours and it still didn't work.
Not only is our government so stupid that it can't learn from their mistakes, it can't even learn from other nations mistakes!

If we can hold out this long then vote them all out in 2 years and lets try again with all new people.

LONGTOM

The only way that works is if the voters of this country wake up to the fact that the Dumbycrats are really socialists who are not living in the real world and whose policies will wreck the country. It's clear to me that the majority of voters have no clue about what is really going on and will go along with whatever propaganda is being spread by the media.

The only thing that might save us is if a leader steps forward from the right and makes a clear case for smaller government and sound fiscal policy.