Author Topic: Bernard Madoff (Read 2887 times)

dukkillr · « **Reply #30 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:25:07 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on June 29, 2009, 12:32:57 PM

DK...No tin hat here, just earnest discovery by asking questions. As you well know Truth fears no investigation or questions. You do know that, right?

OKay__Appeals...? You probably know better than I, but I'll take a stab at it. Harshness of the sentence. Technicalities on arrest, detaining, investigation, procedural, rights, and government involvement particulars >>it may be possible to pass this off on government not doing its job in part.. Racism issues. Where Bernie finally gets incarcerated. And then there is Client disclosure affadavits advising of potential loss/performance in investments. This will be bolstered by all the good Bernie did for the community over the years.

BTW...my point about those Bernie investors being quiet all those years making 15% plus when everybody else was going down or holding at 2 or 3% is that it defies logic....quiet when in the sunshine--singin the blues when it rains. If you commit a murder and come to my house and I know you committed a murder or know about or involved in a murder, but I give you safe harbor and/or keep my mouth shut about you; what does that make me?

..TM7

I asked the question for a specific reason. I'm sure you know that when you plead guilty you lose your right to appeal most issues. You knew that right? So I assumed that the inevitable answer would be 1)crazy and wrong or 2)crazy, wrong, and pulled directly from some nut-job consipracy web site. You very clearly stated that you were excited to watch the appeals process so I wondered what aspect you found so interesting?

My personal guess? There will be no signficant appeals in this case.

BBF · « **Reply #31 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:52:20 AM »

He screwed members of his own tribe, I don't think there will be much forgiveness there.

Greed has its own way of biting you in the a$$, this time it got a good and deep grip.

Questor · « **Reply #32 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:42:56 AM »

Madoff deserves some credit: at least he had a sound financial reason for ripping off his victims. Our executive and legislative branches really don't have such sound reasoning behind their actions.

1marty · « **Reply #33 on:** June 30, 2009, 03:41:59 PM »

The beauty of this scheme was that he paid consistantly 9%-10% each year whether the market went up 20% or down 20%. The people who invested with him were looking for a conservative investment which he advertised and delivered. I believe they should reduce his sentence to 10 years with the proviso that the victims be allowed to cut off any "organs" on his body they wish.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 30, 2009, 03:49:08 PM »

It is pretty obvious, Bernie is taking the fall. He plead guilty so unless he can show he was cohersed or mentally ill, there is no appeal. Now they cannot force him to testify or offer him any incentives.

I bet his wife and kids are missing him all the way to the bank. Heck I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he has a terminal disease and will die soon.

GeneRector · « **Reply #35 on:** June 30, 2009, 10:41:50 PM »

Howdy! I am glad Madoff got the 150 year sentence. He deserves it. However, I am just curious about the possibility of a "pardon" down the road a few years from now. Who has the power to grant it? Is it the governor or the president of the United States? Or, some other official? What Madoff ought to do with his time in prison is write a few "best sellers" books. All of the income generated could be given back to the people who lost their life savings. I have no idea how this would be distributed and who would get what. It all still makes me wonder how his Ponzi scheme could have gone on for so long and nobody ever catch on to what happened until recently. Madoff could possibly live to age 88 to 93. However, his last few years will be plagued by old age diseases, etc. Anyone have any thoughts to share on these topics? Your views appreciated! Thanks!

dukkillr · « **Reply #36 on:** July 01, 2009, 05:37:04 AM »

Federal crime so he would need pardoned by the President. It's not going to happen.

These days its pretty standard for unsatisfied debtors to get the rights to any media that may come from the incarcerated defendant. For their sake I hope he makes books or movies but given his age I sorta doubt it. They are currently in a pool that will distribute the money recovered from Madoff's estate, I suspect media money would go into that pool.

The courts do sometimes let people out of jail before they die. It shifts the burden to pay for their care... but in this case... who knows? Probably depends on what he gets... a short term lethal disease? Maybe. A long term chronic disease? Probably not. Of course with the strong emotions and press coverage I wouldn't be surprised if they simply ship him to a Federal Prison Hospital to die in custody.

TM7 - Astute observation. The conspiracy stuff does get under my skin so does talk about aliens but that's a topic for a different place(I'm so happy you have your own section to post in though)... But I can promise you that no part of my day is spent helping the establishment. In fact the opposite is true.

BBF · « **Reply #37 on:** July 01, 2009, 06:53:50 AM »

His wife gets to keep a a miserly 2.5 Million $. Oh woe is her,how is she going to cope,make ends meet

Cement Man · « **Reply #38 on:** July 01, 2009, 01:37:52 PM »

TM, It looks like they have an inmate locator here.

http://www.bop.gov/locations/index.jsp

Of course it might be not be trustworthy...................

dukkillr · « **Reply #39 on:** July 02, 2009, 08:38:10 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on July 02, 2009, 01:06:08 AM

Good to know Cement....just have to truth test it in reality when the time comes. Of course, there are many many that believe most everything the gov says or writes;;;except the pres of course, and their congressman, and a bunch of cabinet officers, other than that it's all pretty up and up....

..TM7

Actually this is a great example of why the whole crazy conspiracy thing gets under my skin. This subject will cease to operate under any semblance of reality soon. You can even see it coming. Before long some nut-job will write that Elvis, Hoffa, the Mafia, JFK, Area 51, Bigfoot, and the KGB all banded together to bribe the guards into switching out Madoff and replacing him with an alien body double. This is why he asked the question about tracking. He’s planting the seeds of the crazy tree.

I can't speak for TM7's personal experience, but I have been to Federal Prisons. People don't leave. They don't sneak out. They don't get body doubles to do their time for them. You can track inmates online. Madoff will be there any day you want to look for him, online or in person. But they won't look for him. Instead they'll make s#$t up about how he's already out. No amount of logic, facts, or evidence will change anything. Why? Because logic, facts, and evidence that disagree with the pre-determined nut-job thesis are dismissed as being, "part of the establishment".

So the end result is the classic nut-job mantra: The system never works and people should never trust it. A situation like this where most people agree that justice was done is precisely the type of thing they fear: the system worked. That's why it's so obvious that crazy is just over the horizon and coming this way...

Nothing is always right, and nothing is always wrong. Sometimes the system really does suck. Sometimes the bad guy buys his way out of justice. But sometimes the bad guy goes to jail for life because the system works... The system worked here.

Cement Man · « **Reply #40 on:** July 04, 2009, 08:22:50 AM »

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&FirstName=bernard&Middle=&LastName=madoff&Race=U&Sex=U&Age=&x=72&y=12

Looks like the locator works pretty well. I know, for us gullible folks that believe it......

The part I get a kick out of is the release date. 2139!

Maybe the computer doesn't register high enough. I thought it should be 2159.

Maybe the real Bernie and Ken are deep sea fishing on a yacht in the Carribean with Elvis.

dukkillr · « **Reply #41 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:18:30 PM »

Quote from: dukkillr on June 30, 2009, 05:25:07 AM

Quote from: TM7 on June 29, 2009, 12:32:57 PM
DK...No tin hat here, just earnest discovery by asking questions. As you well know Truth fears no investigation or questions. You do know that, right?

OKay__Appeals...? You probably know better than I, but I'll take a stab at it. Harshness of the sentence. Technicalities on arrest, detaining, investigation, procedural, rights, and government involvement particulars >>it may be possible to pass this off on government not doing its job in part.. Racism issues. Where Bernie finally gets incarcerated. And then there is Client disclosure affadavits advising of potential loss/performance in investments. This will be bolstered by all the good Bernie did for the community over the years.

BTW...my point about those Bernie investors being quiet all those years making 15% plus when everybody else was going down or holding at 2 or 3% is that it defies logic....quiet when in the sunshine--singin the blues when it rains. If you commit a murder and come to my house and I know you committed a murder or know about or involved in a murder, but I give you safe harbor and/or keep my mouth shut about you; what does that make me?

..TM7
I asked the question for a specific reason. I'm sure you know that when you plead guilty you lose your right to appeal most issues. You knew that right? So I assumed that the inevitable answer would be 1)crazy and wrong or 2)crazy, wrong, and pulled directly from some nut-job consipracy web site. You very clearly stated that you were excited to watch the appeals process so I wondered what aspect you found so interesting?

My personal guess? There will be no signficant appeals in this case.

NEW YORK (Reuters) – Arch swindler Bernard Madoff will not appeal the 150-year prison sentence he received for masterminding a global multibillion-dollar investment fraud, his main lawyer said on Thursday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090709/ts_nm/us_madoff

dukkillr · « **Reply #42 on:** July 11, 2009, 07:36:35 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on July 11, 2009, 12:46:40 AM

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NEW YORK (Reuters) – Arch swindler Bernard Madoff will not appeal the 150-year prison sentence he received for masterminding a global multibillion-dollar investment fraud, his main lawyer said on Thursday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090709/ts_nm/us_madoff

So, I though he couldn't appeal having plead out...? Apparently there was some avenue of appeal...? Which would re-open the case and to more discovery.
In any case, they/he have been consistent on their position, which is Bernie not talking and resigned to his fate. Fox News had a piece a while back that a team of lawyers are on the case to find the 'proper' prison for Bernie to serve his sentence. Sentences over xx years automatically get maximum security detention; not too pleasant and actually what Bernie is mandated to get. The team is 'appealing' for a medium or light duty facility and the one in upstate NY is predominately jewish....at least that is what they are shooting for. Good-bye Bernie...!

..TM7

When you plead guilty you lose the right to appeal *most* issues. If you look above that's what I said. You still retain limited appeals rights, most of the time if you are going to appeal something you stipulate the result to preserve the appeal. Since he didn't do that you could assume there would be no significant appeal.

As to what jail he gets? Here the procedure is determined by a board at a central prison facility. My understanding is that a similar system will sentence him based on points for several things including violence of the crime, length of the term, likihood of in prison, etc... my understanding is that he is actually projected at medium security but i've not really spent any time studying it...

billy_56081 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 11, 2009, 09:07:52 AM »

I think Bernie is coming to MN.

But you know what, if I were a betting man I would bet that Bernie has been diagnosed with a terminal disease and will die soon. I kinda like the idea of a terminal person taking a fall. I'd like to see it happen to take care of some other issues.

ms · « **Reply #44 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:38:28 AM »

There going to fake his death in jail get him out of the country.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 12, 2009, 05:28:45 AM »

"Yes, Bernie may get smuggled out and away; that potential exist which is why I was wondering how to tract him...trust but verify. I doubt that will be possible however."

Tm you once again crack me up again. That is one of the best knee slappers you have told in a long time. The invite is still open to you.

1marty · « **Reply #46 on:** July 15, 2009, 04:02:16 PM »

this blog seems to surface all the anti-semites. Funny, their are only 13 million Jews in all the world and they represent less than 3% of the US population.

BBF · « **Reply #47 on:** July 16, 2009, 07:46:40 AM »

I dont know about the numbers and percentages marty and you will find them in the most sensitve and influential positions in Govt. Business and Entertainment working towards a common goal which is not for the good of the common folks and not only in the USA.

1marty · « **Reply #48 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:40:52 PM »

You've been reading Mein Kamph too much.. The math I gave you is correct-look it up.
One of those "Jews" risked his life to save mine back in 1969. I'll never forget that as long as I live. Perhaps you should take a trip to the holacaust museum in DC and you might have a different perspective on things.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #49 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:53:29 PM »

AH HAH ! A CANADIAN AND AN ANTI-SEMITE! WHATS TO LIKE?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 18, 2009, 04:35:25 AM »

I am glad we have free speech. It allows the antisemited to show themselves. Also free speech allows people to point out hate mongers.

Bernard is going to prison until he dies. He is not going to be secreted out or die a fake death. This is the real world not the X files.

I do suspect Bernie knows he has a terminal illness and is taking the fall to protect the otherds in his sceme. The theiving he did is unforgivable, but I have to hand it to him for not being a coward and ratting out his cohorts.

BBF · « **Reply #51 on:** July 18, 2009, 11:03:05 AM »

Keep drinking the Mogen David

BBF · « **Reply #52 on:** July 19, 2009, 03:18:41 AM »

There must be something wrong with my monitor, I keep hearing a little chirp out of the lower left hand corner........ ooh, I found it. It is a very small image of an Armadillo scurrying around.

Re Reading "Mein Kampf" I've read it in two languages also "Das Kipital" and others.
Re visiting that Meuseum in DC. Isn't Washingtom one of the highest crime places in the the USA?

Anyway I put it on my places to vist right after a pilgrimage to Mecca.

TM7 The indoctrination and brain washing runs deep. I don't think there is a cure for it in time.

gypsyman · « **Reply #53 on:** July 19, 2009, 03:33:37 AM »

I remember seeing this Amy Goodman on a video clip years ago. Does anybody really watch this woman? I think she has the attitude that if somebody gave her a pound of gold, she'ld complain about carrying it to the bank. gypsyman

1marty · « **Reply #54 on:** July 20, 2009, 02:25:22 PM »

there's some people in this world who hate everyone since their own lives have been failures and it fills them with hate. They therefore blame everyone else for their failures.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #55 on:** July 20, 2009, 03:13:49 PM »

Quote from: 1marty on July 20, 2009, 02:25:22 PM

there's some people in this world who hate everyone since their own lives have been failures and it fills them with hate. They therefore blame everyone else for their failures.

Well said Marty, its sad how some can be so envious of others success. We have some here who even blame the Jews for all that is wrong.

BBF · « **Reply #56 on:** July 21, 2009, 06:14:44 AM »

tm7

I wouldn't be surprised if some or all of the big looser in fact will get their money back, courtesy of the taxpayer whose permission wasn't asked or even informed.

1marty · « **Reply #57 on:** July 21, 2009, 04:00:19 PM »

tm7 it was diected to people who say every jew is like Bernie. Bernie was a crook which goes against every religous faith on this planet.