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Offline Swampman

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Re: Most rugged action
« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2009, 10:32:02 AM »
Cast metal is not as strong as bar stock.
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Re: Most rugged action
« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2009, 10:51:54 AM »
that would depend on metal type , and processes used in both cases . Also in making a gun strength is only part of it , some metal machines better , some will expand or flex instead of breaking etc. so it would seem both have and do work quite well . The forged bar is poured and compressed while the bar is still plastic in many cases . the cast part is poured under pressure while still liquid . It would appear more room exist for a problem with the forged part . We would need to know also the grade of steel used in each case to say which was stronger in the gun .
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Re: Most rugged action
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2009, 02:15:19 AM »
The Ruger is just so cheaply made.  I can't get excited about a cast metal receiver.

Thre is nothing weak about a Ruger receiver and to claim there is, as you have done elsewhere in this thread, merely demonstrates ignorance on the part of the claimant (that would be you).  As others have pointed out, the metal alloy and processes used do more to determine the strength of the part than does whether a part starts out as a casting or a piece of bar stock.  In addition, bar stock tends to have maximum strength in the linear direction while castings have equal strength in all directions.  You proudly proclaim Remington receivers will withstand 100,000 PSI pressures but I have news for you - even Ruger revolvers, using cast frames and cylinders, have been tested to higher pressures.  And they have less metal in them than the Ruger MKII actions.

While it does cost less to machine a part that is cast close to final tolerances than it does when starting with bar stock that has to be hogged out to get close to final dimensions, there is nothing "cheap" about the Ruger receiver.  Bill Ruger's philosophy was that "not a penny" should go toward features that don't add function.  The result of that attitude was an excellent design that many consider the best commercial implementation of the Mauser concept but lacked cosmetic frills. 

If you want a fancy stock, get a Remington CDL.  If you want a reliable, accurate and durable rifle (read "bolt handles that won't break off, extractors and ejectors that won't break or fail due to ice or dirt and scope bases that are stronger than anything else available), get a Ruger. 


 
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Re: Most rugged action
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2009, 02:51:58 AM »
The new Ruger stocks are nice copies of the CDL.  I just don't have any faith in cast metal.  Have you ever busted an old lawn mower block and looks at the grain structure?  More air than metal.
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Re: Most rugged action
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2009, 07:18:46 AM »
yes i have busted a pot metal lawn mower , I have also broken forged tools and machine parts that would not take a hit because of a internal flaw . whats your point ?
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Re: Most rugged action
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2009, 06:25:23 PM »
The new Ruger stocks are nice copies of the CDL.  I just don't have any faith in cast metal.  Have you ever busted an old lawn mower block and looks at the grain structure?  More air than metal.

There is a very considerable difference between the cast iron used in some lawn mower engines and the cast steel used by Ruger for their firearms.

But you already know that so your comment is just another in a long string of foolish comments.
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Re: Most rugged action
« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2009, 02:19:51 AM »
I have Rugers with nice stocks that were made before the cdl . But then i have never liked white spacers and dimonds on a stock . BUT THAT"S JUST ME !
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