Author Topic: rural defense (Read 1526 times)

jamaldog87 · « **on:** February 10, 2009, 08:14:13 AM »

i was reading Gun and ammo and there were talking rural defense guns. Have you ever hear of rural defense and they talked about having smoke bombs and other things like that so you could get help if they cut you lines. so what are rural defense guns and what would yours be??

i would have a 98k(i am a very good shot for some reason with that gun, maybe i was German in a pass life

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590 shotgun(9 rounds is better then 7)

AK47 or sks

a used 458win,375 H&H, or a lever gun in 45/70( these rounds can stop a gun with the right loads)

and glock in 357Sig

rparsons934 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2009, 08:22:57 AM »

For home defense since I live in a four family home. I have a 12.ga pump. I would load it with bird shot. But the round that would come out first would be a riot salt round. This would be the first to leave the barrel for 2 reasons. Its one hell of a warning shot. salt chunks flying at you at around 1500fps. And if something like an accident happend in my sleep it would be loud enough to wake me up but no leathal enough to cause damage or go through the walls. I However only have a few bird shot so i sleep with Remmington 3" magnum buck shot.
now that will change when I can own a handgun. ( I am only 20). I would probably get a 1911, or a .45.

BBF · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2009, 04:44:11 AM »

I beg to differ. Don't count on salt especially coarse grain, not to be lethal at close range.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2009, 04:50:51 AM »

If its leathal well that person shouldnt be in my home. And my step dad when he was younger watched a friend get shot with one at a close range. And besides salt embidded in his skin and the super burn he survived. But then again maybe he was lucky. It also wouldnt go through walls from my understanding correct me if im wrong.

John R. · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2009, 05:19:53 AM »

Go to boxotruth.com, and you can see for yourself how crappy a defense load salt is. If they're worth shooting at all then you need more than salt!!!

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2009, 05:31:34 AM »

i used to keep rubber buckshot for the first round for my 12ga and the rest were steel buck shot. also one thing about salt i have hear is that it makes really bad wounds(like smaller shot at close range).

John R. · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2009, 05:40:07 AM »

It would have to be point-blank range, and I don't want any intruders getting that close if I can help it. Like I said, if a person requires shooting then they need to be shot with the best you have to offer, otherwise they probably didn't need to be shot at all. JMTCW. Warning shots and rock salt have no place in self-defense situations.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2009, 05:58:36 AM »

I understand your thoughts. But its is a piece of mind to my girlfriend that if any accidents happen,(yes i know they are rare but they occur) to the shotgun in the closet next to the bed. She feels better knowing the first thing to come out of it is salt and not lead or steel. If the right round was misfired say the shotgun falls in the closet and decides to fire in the direction of my bed i also would rather salt be fired first. Its a pump gun so after that salt is fired theres some POWER commming right after. SO i dont see how it couldnt be a good thing. If some one gets shot with salt at that speed it is going to stop them meven if it is for only a second. Which in that time it could be followed by some buck shot or bird shot.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2009, 06:12:50 AM »

Athough bird shot in a shot gun is a good defense round indoors at close range. When talking rural defense I say heavy buck shot if your not sure of your aim or its dark or a good semi auto rifle in a man stopping round like .45, 357 or 44 mag. MHO One should always shoot for center mass in defense situations!

BBF · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2009, 06:21:30 AM »

How far is the closet from your bed/girlfriend?

Take a piece of 3/8" plywood, set it up at the same distance and shoot at it with that salt load. I'd be interested in the result.

BTW. I did say "coarse salt" in my original reply.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2009, 07:02:04 AM »

I will try to get this test done if i ever get the chance. I live in a big city not to many places to shoot without going to jail because im close to the "hood". But if i can talk to my guy at the range or see if i can find a nice patch of woods I will do this test and post my results. And i dont have these rounds but my GF likes the idea. As i stated before i Have Remmington 3" magnum buckshot in it now. But i would also be intrested in this test As i have never fired one of these rounds. I am just going off of what my step dad told me. He is no gun expert but he is an honest man and his friend was shot with one of these at a very close range. My step dad is 6'8" about 375lbs. His friend was even bigger than him and it dropped him to the ground and made him cry.

John R. · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2009, 07:46:40 AM »

The shot wad might go through but the salt won't. Go to boxotruth.com and you can see the dismal results with salt. If she's scared about the shotgun falling and going off (very unlikely) then leave the chamber empty and load the rest with buckshot.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2009, 07:49:16 AM »

Quote from: John R. on February 11, 2009, 07:46:40 AM

The shot wad might go through but the salt won't. Go to boxotruth.com and you can see the dismal results with salt. If she's scared about the shotgun falling and going off (very unlikely) then leave the chamber empty and load the rest with buckshot.

Thank you for the advice:). Im not scared of it going off and i tell her it wont but shes a little bit of a worry wart.

just tried to go to the site are you sure you posted it correct. I copy n paste took me to a search engine.

Got it now. its www.theboxothruth.com Thnks ill check it out.

John R. · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2009, 08:05:10 AM »

Type in boxotruth.com not boxoftruth.com. You should still be able to get to it through a search engine. I pulled it up a minute ago. They do penetration tests with just about every thing imaginable, including rock salt.

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2009, 09:43:23 AM »

by rural defense in the G&A thing. there were talking about somewere were the cops could be 100s of miles away and you would have to make your stand aganst some well armed and about 5-10 people. I don't think that would happen but it was in G&A so who knows

as for shotguns going off, i have drop my old noble 12ga lots of time and it has never gone of but i do keep the chamber empty and just pump it when i was ready to shoot when i was hunting. still rubber buck shots a good way to go, i have used it to run off hog so it works well.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 11, 2009, 09:48:10 AM »

Ok i misunderstood the forum. And for that I apologize. If I were hundreds of miles away from people being attacked by 5-10 people I would much enjoy a fully automatic weapon. I agree with you on the Ak.

I also checked out the boxotruth site. Intresting very intresting. Makes me change my mind about the salt most definatly. Or even bird shot. Ill just stick with what im doing now keep the buck shot in there.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #16 on:** February 11, 2009, 11:35:12 AM »

T-38 from a russian millitary surplus store. I have cobbled on some reactive armour, as well as have had the machine guns rechambered to .50. One thing I still have to get around to is changing the powerplant over to a 3208 CAT as it is much more reliable than the commie piece of junk currently installed, parts availability is very good on the CAT as well. The smoke generator works much better on used transmission fluid and I heartily recommend that to everyone. I can generally get this at the salvage yard in 30 gal drums no questions asked.

Some crazy Russian took it upon himself to ruin the breech on the main gun. Right now I'm loading it from the muzzle with a blackpowder load I've worked up. A two pound coffee can filled with concrete fits the bore like a glove (leave it to those commies to think ahead to a time of need) and will penetrate an Allis Chalmers combine and tool shed no problem, ask how I know. This muzzle loading thing is just a stop gap measure, if anyone here has a plasma cutter to lend... Email me.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2009, 12:24:00 PM »

Quote from: Empty Quiver on February 11, 2009, 11:35:12 AM

T-38 from a russian millitary surplus store. I have cobbled on some reactive armour, as well as have had the machine guns rechambered to .50. One thing I still have to get around to is changing the powerplant over to a 3208 CAT as it is much more reliable than the commie piece of junk currently installed, parts availability is very good on the CAT as well. The smoke generator works much better on used transmission fluid and I heartily recommend that to everyone. I can generally get this at the salvage yard in 30 gal drums no questions asked.

Some crazy Russian took it upon himself to ruin the breech on the main gun. Right now I'm loading it from the muzzle with a blackpowder load I've worked up. A two pound coffee can filled with concrete fits the bore like a glove (leave it to those commies to think ahead to a time of need) and will penetrate an Allis Chalmers combine and tool shed no problem, ask how I know. This muzzle loading thing is just a stop gap measure, if anyone here has a plasma cutter to lend... Email me.

T 38 as in tank.......................you took not using bird shot to the extreme, but rural defense is rural defense in the eye of the beholder I guess.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #18 on:** February 11, 2009, 01:28:58 PM »

Rereading the thread got me to thinking. Soon as I get some more coffee cans emptied (hardly getting any sleep now) I'm gonna fill a can with some rock salt as a canister load for use against massed hippy infantry. These jaybirds are always coming around the country stirring for trouble. Tryin' to get folks to plant crops without chemicals and other such nonsense. You'd think we were using some of their chemicals as worked up as they are getting.

charles p · « **Reply #19 on:** February 11, 2009, 03:01:41 PM »

Why would rural defense be much different that in town defense or big city defense. If we are talking about shooting someone in our home, I fail to see why a rural load would be any different than a big city variety.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 11, 2009, 03:29:01 PM »

Whats that T38 got for a main gun? I'd think it would be great with a can full of .45 round balls at close range. Only thing bad about it is being a rifled barrel it will spray the shot in a large donut shaped pattern from the centrifugal force. But yes an awesome close range hippie round.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #21 on:** February 11, 2009, 03:41:45 PM »

before i got my AR
it was a rem 742 in 308 with 5 ten round clips

next choice is ithaca 12 with buck
any buck........ but like number one......in honor of my father[his favorite]

AtlLaw · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2009, 03:45:18 PM »

I like you boy!

Quote from: Empty Quiver on February 11, 2009, 11:35:12 AM

T-38 from a russian millitary surplus store. I have cobbled on some reactive armour, as well as have had the machine guns rechambered to .50. One thing I still have to get around to is changing the powerplant over to a 3208 CAT as it is much more reliable than the commie piece of junk currently installed, parts availability is very good on the CAT as well. The smoke generator works much better on used transmission fluid and I heartily recommend that to everyone. I can generally get this at the salvage yard in 30 gal drums no questions asked.

Some crazy Russian took it upon himself to ruin the breech on the main gun. Right now I'm loading it from the muzzle with a blackpowder load I've worked up. A two pound coffee can filled with concrete fits the bore like a glove (leave it to those commies to think ahead to a time of need) and will penetrate an Allis Chalmers combine and tool shed no problem, ask how I know. This muzzle loading thing is just a stop gap measure, if anyone here has a plasma cutter to lend... Email me.

John R. · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:07:13 AM »

Yeah the boxotruth opened my eyes to some things also. As far as the rural setting, an AR or AK (which is not much different from my city defense, they're always close by) would be great.

Skunk · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2009, 04:09:38 AM »

Yep, a T-38. I like that too.

dukkillr · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2009, 07:33:24 AM »

Quote from: Empty Quiver on February 11, 2009, 11:35:12 AM

T-38 from a russian millitary surplus store. I have cobbled on some reactive armour, as well as have had the machine guns rechambered to .50. One thing I still have to get around to is changing the powerplant over to a 3208 CAT as it is much more reliable than the commie piece of junk currently installed, parts availability is very good on the CAT as well. The smoke generator works much better on used transmission fluid and I heartily recommend that to everyone. I can generally get this at the salvage yard in 30 gal drums no questions asked.

Some crazy Russian took it upon himself to ruin the breech on the main gun. Right now I'm loading it from the muzzle with a blackpowder load I've worked up. A two pound coffee can filled with concrete fits the bore like a glove (leave it to those commies to think ahead to a time of need) and will penetrate an Allis Chalmers combine and tool shed no problem, ask how I know. This muzzle loading thing is just a stop gap measure, if anyone here has a plasma cutter to lend... Email me.

Pictures? Perhaps with you giving us the peace sign?

AtlLaw · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2009, 07:37:47 AM »

More likely half a peace sign... $:-\$

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2009, 02:53:45 PM »

Main gun is smooth bore, well it is now anyway. As far as the .45 balls go that sounds good but I'm on a low budget around here. If I could come up with that much lead I'd be building batteries so's I could get off'n the net for good. Right now it's all going to crappie jigs.