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« on: February 11, 2009, 02:13:25 PM »
The courts should never allow such as this to get past the front door.  Do Americans have any rights to protect their property? >:( >:( >:(
 
16 illegals sue Arizona rancher
Claim violation of rights as they crossed his land

Monday, February 9, 2009

Buzz up!An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border. Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home. His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally. Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday. The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog. Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape. The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women." In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks." The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998. In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens. Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home. Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water. Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running. He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.  
ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie. His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch. "This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."  

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 02:26:20 PM »
That is hogwash. I hope that he has counter sued. At the very least, he is owed court and defense cost.

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 02:36:21 PM »
This case should have never made it to court.The lawyers that took the case should be disbarred. The judge should be forced to resign. Unfortunatly, in this day and age, and with the federal gov't being in the back pocket of the Mexican gov't, the poor guy will not only lose the case, probably have to give up his ranch to the illegals, and pay the lawsuit. Next time he should try the 3 S's. gypsyman
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 02:39:06 PM »
The government should be giving this guy an adward instead. Dale
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 02:50:11 PM »
the judge that  didn't throw it out
each lawyer representing  the illegals
the Mexican government
and  the 16 bringing  the case claiming to be victims

should be ordered  to pay this man $10  EACH
for  each of  the 12,000  illegals  he has captured as  his reward

THIS MAN  IS A NATIONAL HERO

  roger  if  your reading  this  dead trespassers don't  sue 
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 02:56:10 PM »
Violating their rights????>:( >:(. THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS. They are trespassers, illegals, invaders, felons. Should be treated as such. I could never live along the border, don't have the temperment for it. I'd be in jail the first week at the most. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 02:57:53 PM »
I agree completely, crap lawsuits like this are just encouraging him and others to use the "3 S's" method of protecting their property...can't say I blame him. Maybe Sheriff Joe will deputize him.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 03:05:07 PM »
Violating their rights????>:( >:(. THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS. They are trespassers, illegals, invaders, felons. Should be treated as such. I could never live along the border, don't have the temperment for it. I'd be in jail the first week at the most. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

maybe  we  can take up a collection  and buy a peice  of that range  for  you

end  of problem

then  we can  have  you guide us onillegal  hunts
where  is  myronman on  this.........these  are  lower  than pirates
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 03:21:31 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 10:06:44 AM »
We recently had a case that was tried in a federal court here in Texas where the land owner lost his land and spent some time in jail for detaining a couple of wetbacks. 

My concern, when is common sense going to take over and lable these folks as they should be labled, tresspassers, invaders and illegal aliens.

I am afraid if we don't stay in congress' case Obama will open the door and let them move in whoever's house they want to.  I have a friend who owns a ranch south of Alpine, TX.  He said he can catch them almost ever day.  He caught what he could but didn't waste time looking for them until they killed a $25,000 breeder bull, cut the backstrap out and left the rest for the coyotes.  He now drives over his property several times each day and tries to detain everyone he finds until the Border Partol officers can make it to his place. (He lives a few miles North of a Border Partol check point that is not always open.)

Maybe we should start a legal fund for people like Roger Bartnet.

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 10:20:48 AM »
Gentlemen, what SHOULD BE HAPPENING, instead of suing and counter-suing is, the lawyers whom filed this suit, and the lawyer judge that allowed this case in court should be SWINGING FROM THE NEAREST TREE.
Lawyers are EXACTLY what has screwed this country to death in the first place. We now have a LAWYER PRESIDENT, and he will follow his training, and try and finish us off.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 10:25:05 AM »
Gentlemen, what SHOULD BE HAPPENING, instead of suing and counter-suing is, the lawyers whom filed this suit, and the lawyer judge that allowed this case in court should be SWINGING FROM THE NEAREST TREE.
Lawyers are EXACTLY what has screwed this country to death in the first place. We now have a LAWYER PRESIDENT, and he will follow his training, and try and finish us off.
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And we have a winner. Lawyers are ruining this country. But dont be fooled the judges have a lot to do with it. Look at the woman who sued mcdonalds for millions of dollars because she was dumb and spilled coffe on her self. That judge should be in the tree as well. A Diffrent example of how lawyers are screwing things up is the OJ case.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 10:26:27 AM »
Since when is it a violation of someones civil liberties to prevent them from committing a crime on your OWN land???  

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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 10:26:53 AM »
Go back and read my post. I included the judge whom is also a lawyer.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 10:28:49 AM »
Go back and read my post. I included the judge whom is also a lawyer.

Sorry I did. Well at least we both realize that judges in this country are not credible.
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 10:31:40 AM »
After 20 years of L.E. (retired) I have came to the conclusion that anyone with a law degree isn't credible. That's my opinion and I'm stickin to it. ;)
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 11:15:55 AM »
After 20 years of L.E. (retired) I have came to the conclusion that anyone with a law degree isn't credible. That's my opinion and I'm stickin to it. ;)
I am the opposite of Will Rogers in that respect. I never met a lawyer I liked. ;D

I will share that opinion with you. I have only met one lawyer that I like. Thats because He got me off. But that is a bias reason.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 11:22:27 AM »
I ran across this on another site. He should get a medal and a parade.
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 11:48:29 AM »
Lawyers become politicians. That is the root of the problem
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 12:16:09 PM »
Lawyers are just out of work politicians. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2009, 12:52:41 PM »
In my opinion lawyers are just like any other group of people.  Some are good and some are bad.  Yes a lot of lawyers are corrupt pieces of scum.  At the same time there are some lawyers who spend the majority of their lives as upstanding citizens guilty of nothing except defending the constitution and your rights. Grow up guys.  This isn't grade school.  You don't judge an entire group based on actions of some of the people in it.

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2009, 01:05:07 PM »
Heather with all due respect I grew up a long time ago. I spent 20 years watching lawyers make deals that were far from respectable.
Anyone whom can defend a person that is guilty as sin, and try and make the VICTIM look like the perp, is trash.
You need to spend some time in a court room. On this subject it will take you about 20+ years to catch up. I have been there and done that. You have not yet been. ;)
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2009, 01:09:04 PM »
In my opinion lawyers are just like any other group of people.  Some are good and some are bad.  Yes a lot of lawyers are corrupt pieces of scum.  At the same time there are some lawyers who spend the majority of their lives as upstanding citizens guilty of nothing except defending the constitution and your rights.

I agree with you Heather. To place all Lawyers into the catch-all Lawyer dumpster is just wrong. I've known Lawyers that if the client didn't have the money to pay them, yet had a good cause, did the litigation Pro Bono for the good of the client and the public. Or look at some of the Lawyers right here on this forum: AtlLaw and DuckKiller. Although I don't know them personally, those two do not hit me off as the type being depicted above.
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2009, 01:10:49 PM »
Too bad I am not on the jury.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2009, 01:19:54 PM »
In my opinion lawyers are just like any other group of people.  Some are good and some are bad.  Yes a lot of lawyers are corrupt pieces of scum.  At the same time there are some lawyers who spend the majority of their lives as upstanding citizens guilty of nothing except defending the constitution and your rights. Grow up guys.  This isn't grade school.  You don't judge an entire group based on actions of some of the people in it.

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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2009, 02:01:29 PM »
Dee,
  I really like you and agree with most of your post, but the last one is the exception.  I understand that you have seen SOME corrupt lawyers.  I also see how your experiences have clouded your judgement on this issue.  According to you your reason behind thinking all lawyers are all bad is because of your 20 years of experience of meeting lawyers, all of whom you saw as corrupt.  Following you logic, if I only met men with beards, I should believe that all men have beards.  Just because you have never met a "good" lawyer doesn't mean they don't exist.  I know of a local attorney who does pro bono work to any woman trying to get a divorce from an abusive husband.  Most lawyers are corrupt just like most priest are good.  Some priest are child molesters and some lawyers are decent people. 

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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2009, 02:16:42 PM »
Dee,
  I really like you and agree with most of your post, but the last one is the exception.  I understand that you have seen SOME corrupt lawyers.  I also see how your experiences have clouded your judgement on this issue.  According to you your reason behind thinking all lawyers are all bad is because of your 20 years of experience of meeting lawyers, all of whom you saw as corrupt.  Following you logic, if I only met men with beards, I should believe that all men have beards.  Just because you have never met a "good" lawyer doesn't mean they don't exist.  I know of a local attorney who does pro bono work to any woman trying to get a divorce from an abusive husband.  Most lawyers are corrupt just like most priest are good.  Some priest are child molesters and some lawyers are decent people. 

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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2009, 02:28:27 PM »
Too bad I am not on the jury.

i  have sat on the grand jury  2 times
heard over 15 cases

the judge  and laweres  would  make sure  you and other jurrors  did not know they were  illegals
you would note   to confict  this  gum  slinging animal abuser

becaus  you as a jurroe will  not  know the REST OF THE STORY
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2009, 03:21:40 PM »
You guys have it your way. I don't like lawyers of any kind. ;)
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2009, 02:48:44 AM »
As for lawyers, do ya'll know why a shark won't eat a lawyer? ........................."professional courtesy!"