Author Topic: MN 91/30 Sporter (Read 2682 times)

Spanky · « **on:** February 11, 2009, 04:22:04 PM »

Who has sporterized their MN's with the ATI stock, scope mount and bolt handle?
Is the stock really "drop in" and does it improve upon the fit and handling of the rifle?
How does the bolt handle work with only the one screw in it and is the scope mount any good?

I have two MN's.
One is a pristine 91/30 with laminated stocks and the other is a previously sported 91/30 with a cut down 18"barrel. I plan on getting the ATI setup for the sporter.

I have spent hours and hours polishing the tool marks out of the 18" barrel and smoothing the receiver.
The barrel and action are now smooth as glass and have been reblued. I would like to make a decent looking sporter out of it.

Any info on the kit would be nice.

Spanky

cbxboy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2009, 03:40:41 AM »

Spanky,

Not a complete answer but I do have an M-44 in a ATi stock. I bought it that way from FAC in MN befroe they went out of bus.

I like the way it handles and shoots. It was sold as a "sporter"-scout set up but the 44 in her was a VERY nice all matching (cept stock) Romanian missing rear site. I built it back to original and kept it in the ATI stock. I do enjoy the handling of the Monte Carlo stock and I have had it in and out a few times. Seems to go in and out well.....I can see where pplastic has been removed-reshaped to fit.

I have no info on a bent bolt, ease of use or operation. I have used the "scout style" set up in any of my scoping options as I prefer to always be able to bring back to original. I am sure someone will have experience with this though as there are many bent bolt options and conversions.

I have my Old ironside Ugly old 1930 something Mosin 91/30 which shoots like a dream and looks plain old worn out. I think its a blast.

Have fun...... I did inherit an M44 with about a 16.5 inch barrel if I recall correctly....dang near under barrel and overall length. You can roast hot dogs 4 feet away with the muzzle flash on that thing!!! Never got around to putting it on anything though!

Spanky · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2009, 05:59:03 AM »

Thanks for the info buddy.
I appreciate it.

Spanky

30-30man · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:10:49 PM »

First of all the internet is full of people with MOA Mosins....I never believed them because I had to go through several before I found one that would do it. It was a 1943 reound Izzy that I ordered from Century. It had a pristine bore and the barrel looked almost new. It was nothing special as far as a collectors piece, so I decided to give the ATI mount a try. The mount was solid when istalled with my drill press. Follow the directions very closely or you will drill into the chamber. A big NO NO! The ATI bolt was junk, it is only held in place by being wedged in a nook and with one bolt. It looked like it wouldn't last. I've seen some people weld them, but I'd rather have somebody make one for me. I sent mine off to a fellow on Ebay and had it bent to match the ATI mount. I haven't seen his work on ebay for a while but he does good work. I then took the old stock and couldn't part with it. I just love the wood and hate plastic stocks. I refinished it and hand carved a groove for the bolt handle to drop into. I then bedded the stock with JB weld and left it alone. It would put 3 S&B 180 grainers in a 1.5" group at 100 yards. I have completed a .002 trigger mod to lighten it up a bit, next I will cut a new crown to see what that does. I think 1" groups are possible with the right person behind it. Please remember though, this rifle is not typical. I had to go through several to get one I thought was accurate enough to hunt with.

In the end, I'd probably never do it again. I could have bought a Mossberg for the money I spent on this $99 Mosin. It does tend to draw attention at hunts and at the range though. People can't believe such an old rifle can shoot that accurate.

Spanky · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2009, 04:06:31 PM »

I went ahead and ordered the whole ATI kit today.
Camo stock with scope mount and bolt handle.

Thanks for the info 30-30man.

I think the bolt looks kind of cheesy too.
I did see the guy on ebay who does the bent bolts... it might be worth looking into.

The barrel on my sporter has very deep rifling and no pitting so I'm hoping it will make a good shooter.
My full length 91/30 shoots very very well. If the sporter shoots 1/2 as good I'll be happy.

I'm glad to hear that the scope mount is pretty solid. I was curious as to how it would be.

If the stock fits well and the scope mount is solid... that's 2/3 of the battle.
As for the bolt handle... we'll see when it gets here.

Spanky

Spanky · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2009, 10:56:12 AM »

I got my camo ATI stock this morning and set the barreled action into it.
There were a couple of tight spots that had to be relieved with my dremel tool, other than that it fit good.
The rifle fits me alot better now and recoil seems lighter.
The camo finish is good looking but it seems like it might chip or scratch easily.

Apparently they forgot to send me the bolt handle and scope mount. I had to call and ask them about it.
They are "very sorry" and the parts will be here in 3-5 days.

Oh well.

So far, so good... at least with the stock.

Spanky

torpedoman · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:40:06 AM »

I did the whole thing and used their bolt handel and welded it then dressed everything up and polished it and it looks good and works and WILL NOT fall off in the woods.

zacharoo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:17:18 PM »

Did one of the bolt kits and had a welder silver solder it in. Works fine put a 1.5 to 4.5 scope on it. Talk about a hog gun with remington 180 gr. .310 dia. core locks and my loads. Fast and hits like a mule!!

Zacharoo

auk1124 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:15:59 PM »

I sent my 91/30 bolt to Jim the Boltman (Google him, he's all over the net) and had him redo it for an ATI stock and bead-blast it. Looks great, works great, no complaints.

S.S. · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:38:20 PM »

make sure to slug the bore for the correct diameter.
anywhere between 308 to 316 are pretty common.
load the proper diameter bullet and most mosines
will shoot more accurately than the person behind them.

Lon371 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2009, 10:50:52 PM »

Mine is the M44. I have always liked the swept style bolt. I had a friend modify mine for me. Then modified the stock to fit. I had the top mount put on by a gun smith. I had to use the tall rings to clear the rear site. I am going to get a smaller scope and lower rings. The tall one looks funny.

The one below is my $20. special. Came with the ATI stock. It is real comfortable to shoot. I gave it a rattle can paint job. Added the elcheapo bipod. At the moment it is on coyote duty at a neighbors

Lonny

Spanky · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2009, 06:36:43 PM »

That camo job is awesome

I'm still waiting for my scope mount to show up

The bolt handle finally showed up but no mount.

I don't really like the bolt handle... I think I'm gonna go with something different.

Spanky

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2009, 03:46:00 PM »

Interesting winter project that turned a tomato stake into a scoped rifle.
I ended up with some the 1990's era Finnish import flood arms(parts guns $10 ea) had several stripped down barreld receivers I peddaled off all but the worst, I was gonna make a drive bar outta it, but took pity on it instead. was a londg process and lots of parts purchased in the end have a P-27 with ATI stock and scope & bolthandle mod with barrel backed up to 25" (muzzle was screwd up)

Old Fart · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2009, 12:06:07 PM »

A little off topic but I put one of the ATI stocks on an old enfield I had.
Someone had tried to turn it into a jungle carbine and had pretty well screwed it up.

I looked around for parts and got frustrated and went the synthetic route.
The old thing slipped right in and after a little Dremmel time for fine tuning everything worked out.

I have to admit I was a little hesitant to go this way but I'm happy with how it turned out.
I've got a scope mount coming. Bubba grinded the sights off the top in the process.

Soon I'll have a nice brush gun.

OF

Spanky · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2009, 12:50:33 PM »

Quote from: Old Fart on February 26, 2009, 12:06:07 PM

A little off topic but I put one of the ATI stocks on an old enfield I had.
Someone had tried to turn it into a jungle carbine and had pretty well screwed it up.

I looked around for parts and got frustrated and went the synthetic route.
The old thing slipped right in and after a little Dremmel time for fine tuning everything worked out.

I have to admit I was a little hesitant to go this way but I'm happy with how it turned out.
I've got a scope mount coming. Bubba grinded the sights off the top in the process.

Soon I'll have a nice brush gun.

OF

I would like to get an Enfield.
My local dealer has one that is pretty beat up... would probably make for a good sporter project.
The action on the Enfield is smooth and I like the .303 round.
The ATI stock looks good on them too.

Spanky

MGMorden · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:18:36 AM »

Quote from: Spanky on February 26, 2009, 12:50:33 PM

The ATI stock looks good on them too.

Maybe I just got a dud, but I put a set of ATI stocks on an Enfield I had and wasn't really impressed. The plastic was smooth (whereas I'd prefer a bit of stippled texture), and there were very obvious mold lines down the middle. The "checkering" was also clearly separate insets that were glued in. Didn't have a recoil pad - just a plastic rear to screw on that was made of the same stuff as the rest of the stock.

Now, I do see it as an improvement over the original bubba'd stock that the gun had, and I only paid $18 for the stock set used off of an auction site, but I will admit that I'm still keeping my eyes out for a nice walnut forend+butstock for that gun. Sadly it doesn't seem like anybody makes them anymore (Numrich has forends but not stocks - and I'm leary of buying just that piece without a matching stock as the colors may be off if I find just a stock later on).

Spanky · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2009, 04:54:50 PM »

Sometimes you can find stock sets on Ebay.

Might get lucky there.

Spanky

troy5775 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2009, 04:14:17 PM »

does any one make a walnut stock for the nagant?

MGMorden · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2009, 04:59:14 AM »

Quote from: troy5775 on March 18, 2009, 04:14:17 PM

does any one make a walnut stock for the nagant?

Boyd's makes them:

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Replacement-Stocks-for-Mosin-Nagant-s/68.htm

Richard's Micro-fit (http://www.gun-stocks.com) also inlet any of their stocks for them for an additional $13 setup fee.

I've used stocks from both companies (though for a Mauser, not a MN) and my basic opinions:

The Boyds stocks require less work. They are already sanded and shaped pretty good. They're cheaper if you factor in paying extra for a pad on the Richard's stock. On the negative side, the inletting that they had already done on my Mauser stock was sloppy, with some gaps between the wood and metal that I didn't like. And even the sloppy inletting still didn't keep me from having to do a little more inletting work of my own where there was too much wood left.

Richards: takes a LOT more work. Stock is roughly shaped. You'll have to do some inletting work yourself but what they have done is a good starting point rather than something that's going to look back. Lots of sharp corners and wide areas to smooth/thin down. The stock will probably cost a bit more too. On the plus side though, you have a lot more options as to wood type, grade, stock style, etc.

YMMV, but between the two I prefer the Richards.

troy5775 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2009, 05:39:03 PM »

Thanks for the info, I have been thinking of buying one and sporterizing it but I really don't like the sythetics. The finished sporter on boyds site looks pretty good.
I have a m27 but it is staying the way it is.

troy5775 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 22, 2009, 05:49:24 AM »

I found one on numrich
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=875240&chrSuperSKU=&MC=