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House shoots down federal gun controls
« on: February 15, 2009, 03:46:41 AM »
House shoots down federal gun controls

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By KAHRIN DEINES
Associated Press Writer
 
HELENA, Mont. (AP) -- Montana lawmakers fired another shot in battles for states' rights as they supported letting some Montana gun owners and dealers skip reporting their transactions to the federal government.

Under House Bill 246, firearms made in Montana and used in Montana would be exempt from federal regulation. The same would be true for firearm accessories and ammunition made and sold in the state.

"What we need here is for Montana to be able to handle Montana's business and affairs," Republican Rep. Joel Boniek told fellow lawmakers Saturday. The wilderness guide from Livingston defeated Republican incumbent Bruce Malcolm in last spring's election.

Boniek's measure aims to circumvent federal authority over interstate commerce, which is the legal basis for most gun regulation in the United States. The bill potentially could release Montanans from both federal gun registration requirements and dealership licensing rules. Since the state has no background-check laws on its own books, the legislation also could free gun purchasers from that requirement.
 
"Firearms are inextricably linked to the history and culture of Montana, and I'd like to support that," Boniek said. "But I want to point out that the issue here is not about firearms. It's about state rights."

The House voted 64-36 for the bill on Saturday. If it clears a final vote, the measure will go to the Senate.

House Republicans were joined by 14 Democrats in passing the measure.

"I would hope that our U.S. Supreme Court would begin to retreat from what I think is an abusive interpretation of our interstate commerce clause," said Rep. Deborah Kottel, a Democrat from Great Falls who supports the measure.

That clause in the U.S. Constitution grants Congress authority to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the states. The Supreme Court has handled cases seeking to limit the clause's application in recent years. In 2005, the court upheld federal authority to regulate marijuana under the clause, even when its use is limited to noncommercial purposes - such as medical reasons - and it is grown and used within a state's borders.

The Montana bill follows fears here and elsewhere that the election of Barack Obama as president will trigger more gun regulation. In the months before Obama's inauguration, Montanans rushed to stock up on guns, pushing gun sales beyond normal benchmarks despite the recession.

Opponents of the measure worry lax regulations in the state could lead to a similar surge in both gun sales and gun manufacturing.

"Who are we bringing in and is this the kind of business we want to have in this state?" asked Rep. Sue Malek, D-Missoula. "I want our state to be recognized as a state that cares about people, and that cares about the environment."

The bill is one of a number the Legislature is considering that may extend gun rights in Montana.

Earlier in the week, the House passed another measure, HB228, that would let Montanans carry concealed weapons in city limits without having permits.

On Saturday the House Judiciary Committee narrowly passed a resolution that affirms Montanans' right to carry weapons in national parks and wildlife refuges.

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Re: House shoots down federal gun controls
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2009, 06:06:05 AM »
Opponents of the measure worry lax regulations in the state could lead to a similar surge in both gun sales and gun manufacturing.

"Who are we bringing in and is this the kind of business we want to have in this state?" asked Rep. Sue Malek, D-Missoula. "I want our state to be recognized as a state that cares about people, and that cares about the environment."

I like the way this legislative session is stacking up, but the quote disturbs me, granted it is from a Missoula representative, but what the heck?  How are firearm manufactures and gun sale inherently bad and how does she make the leap that gun owners don't care about people nor the environment?  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2009, 06:19:28 AM »
Interesting indeed. Will make for some good debate  since State law cannot over ride Federal law.  I predict not much will come of this. But the ensuing case law would be interesting.  Especially since it would have to go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to be validated.

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Re: House shoots down federal gun controls
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 06:16:48 AM »
Interesting indeed. Will make for some good debate  since State law cannot over ride Federal law.  I predict not much will come of this. But the ensuing case law would be interesting.  Especially since it would have to go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to be validated.

Well I hate to say it, but Montana has more than once told the Federal Government where to go... ie the Real ID Act http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/montana-governo.html  Montana has proven before to tell the Federal Government where to go, so if this has to go to court, Montana was well aware of what to do before and threatend sovereignty and many other states are doing the same right now.

Montana is telling them that we as a State are better suited running our affairs, and not the Federal Government running our affairs.

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Re: House shoots down federal gun controls
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2009, 06:22:15 AM »

"Who are we bringing in and is this the kind of business we want to have in this state?" asked Rep. Sue Malek, D-Missoula. "I want our state to be recognized as a state that cares about people, and that cares about the environment."


The usual Leftist sheep-like bleating. The next thing they will say is "it's for the children."
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2009, 06:31:37 AM »
Yes the old "for the children" saw.

The real ID law is idealistic and  on the surface a good idea. But like most idealistic ideas, it is ripe for abuse.  I don't trust those who would implement such ideas, and I use to be one of those persons. 

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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 07:30:12 AM »
The Alaska legislature is in its regular session and has a resolution, SJR 6, that is aimed at this federal legislation; http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/get_bill.asp?bill=SJR%20%206&session=26

It can be found on line easily if that site doesn't work.  Anyone might also want to look at SJR 3 as it shows strident support for concealed carry.  Anyone who can legally have a gun can legally carry one concealed in Alaska, including nonresidents.

Last week there was a protest of this federal legislation in Fairbanks which drew 100 people according to the Fairbanks Daily New Miner.

This Thursday the Alaska Legislature has its annual reception with the NRA.  Next month the Alaska Legislature holds its annual 3-gun (plus archery for extra points) shoot.

I hope other states are similarly engaged in pro-gun efforts.  I will not be surprised at all if the Obama people try to direct attention to gun ownership so that the media focus less on the economy, Iraq, etc.  Facts about crime, CCW, etc. will not matter to these Obama people. 

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Re: House shoots down federal gun controls
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 11:29:17 PM »
Montana Rejects Real ID Mandate, Joins Rebel Forces
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/04/montana_rejects.html#previouspost

HB287 signed into law regecting Implimintation of the Real ID Act
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/files/hb02871.pdf

Montana will not allow any federal law to restrict the citezens of Montana, or over ride Montana's State Constitution.  There are many other states that are following this same path.

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Re: House shoots down federal gun controls
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 02:39:25 AM »
As a retired Law enforcement officer with a 30 year career, I see the need for the the real ID  The problem isn't the ID, I don't trust those who would administer the law. It scrares me. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2009, 05:49:10 PM »
And I hope more states follow this line of defense.  DP
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2009, 12:49:31 AM »
Now I have found a worthwhile project to actually do something meaningful. Wyoming should be in the lead on this kind of activism, we are more conservative than Montana. I haven't seen any indication of it though. I think States telling the Feds to follow the US constitution or else may be the most viable way we have to hold off the communists in Washington.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 09:39:53 AM »
Just another reason to love Montana.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2009, 10:08:24 PM »
I was born in Columbus, MT, lo those many years ago... I hope to move back this year, permanently...

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 05:02:39 AM »
Bill , sounds like retirment  ?   If not be prepaired to bring own money and or your own job  . :>)
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 05:14:24 AM »
Montana does seem a place to retire,do they take in refuges from the peoples republic of N.Y.?
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2009, 07:00:07 PM »
Hey Bill, I was in Columbus for almost 2 years back in the 80's.  GM of the Town Pump complex by the Interstate till I got promoted and went on the road for em.  StillWater Mine just laid off almost all of the people in Nov. so lots of people looking for work there now.  I live in Billings now.  DP
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2009, 07:02:30 PM »
Kitchawan kid, if they act normal we let em stay, if not they get to hold the targets. ;D  DP
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Handi's:22Shot, 22LR, 2-22Mag, 22Hornet, 5-223, 2-357Max, 44 mag, 2-45LC, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08, 280, 25-06, 30-30, 30-30AI, 444Marlin, 45-70, AND 2-38-55s, 158 Topper 22 Hornet/20ga. combo;  Levers-Marlins:Two 357's, 44 mag, 4-30-30s, RC-Glenfields 36G-30A & XLR, 3-35 Rem, M-375, 2-444P's, 444SS, 308 MX, 338Marlin MXLR, 38-55 CB, 45-70 GS, XS7 22-250 and 7mm08;  BLR's:7mm08, 358Win;  Rossi: 3-357mag, 44mag, 2-454 Casull; Winchesters: 7-30 Waters, 45Colt Trapper; Bolt actions, too many;  22's, way too many.  Who says it's an addiction?