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Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« on: February 18, 2009, 09:13:52 AM »
I sure wish they did know where he was. Do you think he will ever be caught? Here is the story. Dale

Fugitive terrorist Osama bin Laden is most likely hiding out in a walled compound in a Pakistani border town, according to a satellite-aided geographic analysis released today.
A research team led by geographer Thomas Gillespie of the University of California-Los Angeles used geographic analytical tools that have been successful in locating urban criminals and endangered species.

Basing their conclusion on nighttime satellite images and other techniques, the scientists suggest bin Laden may well be in one of three compounds in Parachinar, a town 12 miles from the Pakistan border. The research incorporates public reports of bin Laden's habits and whereabouts since his flight from the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan in 2001.

The results, reported in the MIT International Review, are being greeted with polite but skeptical interest among people involved in the hunt for bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader behind 9/11. Bin Laden's whereabouts are considered "one of the most important political questions of our time," the study notes.

"I've never really believed the sitting-in-a-cave theory. That's the last place you would want to be bottled up," Gillespie says. The study's real value, he says, is in combining satellite records of geographic locations, patterns of nighttime electricity use and population-detection methods to produce a technique for locating fugitives.

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Essentially, the study generates hiding-place location probabilities. It starts with "distance decay theory," which holds that the odds are greater that the person will be found close to where he or she was last seen.

Then the researchers add the "island biographic theory," which maintains that locales with more resources — palm trees for tropical birds and electricity for wealthy fugitives — are likelier to draw creatures of interest.

"Island biographic theory suggests bin Laden would end up in the biggest and least isolated city of the region," Gillespie says, one among about 26 towns within a 20-mile distance of Tora Bora.

"To really improve the model, you would need to include intelligence data from 2001 to 2006," Gillespie says. "It has been eight years. Honestly, I think it is time to be more open. This is a very important issue for the public."

The study also makes assumptions that bin Laden might need:

• Medical treatment, requiring electricity in an urban setting.

• Security combining few bodyguards and isolation that requires a walled compound.

• Tree cover to shield outdoor activities from aircraft.

"Of course, it all depends on the accuracy of the information on most recent whereabouts," Gillespie says. "I assume that the military has more recent information that would change the hiding place probabilities."

Says geographic-profiling expert Kim Rossmo of Texas State University in San Marcos, who has worked with the military on adapting police procedures for finding criminals to counterterrorism: "It's important to think outside the box, and this is an innovative idea worth more pursuit. However, the authors are much too certain of their conclusions.

"The idea of identifying three buildings in a city of half a million — especially one in a country the authors have likely never visited — is somewhat overconfident."

The researchers contacted the FBI with their findings, and USA TODAY asked Defense Department officials for reaction, before publication of the study.

"The combination of physical terrain, socio-cultural gravitational factors and the physical characteristic of structures are all important factors in developing an area limitation for terror suspects," say John Goolgasian of the federal National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency in Bethesda, Md. His spy satellite agency "looks forward to reviewing the article once it is published."

Gillespie is an expert on finding endangered species on remote islands, typically birds. A co-author, UCLA's John Agnew, is an expert on satellite-based population estimates. The study grew out of an undergraduate seminar on applying geographic profiling to real-world problems.

"We are all wondering where bin Laden is hiding," Gillespie says. "We just wanted to offer the techniques we have to help."

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-02-17-osama-geography_N.htm?csp=23&RM_Exclude=aol
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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 09:47:54 AM »
Hell they know exactly where he is. After all he is on the CIA payroll and they likely arrange for his regular treatments needed. They send him money regularly so certainly know where he gets it don't ya think.

He is not wanted in the manner they want you to think that he is he is wanted as a stooge for them to blame things on so they can keep up the war on the US public that is being labeled as a war on terror.


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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 09:55:39 AM »
Hell they know exactly where he is. After all he is on the CIA payroll and they likely arrange for his regular treatments needed. They send him money regularly so certainly know where he gets it don't ya think.

He is not wanted in the manner they want you to think that he is he is wanted as a stooge for them to blame things on so they can keep up the war on the US public that is being labeled as a war on terror.

We were the country who supplied al quadea or how ever the hell you spell it, with Weapons and training. And yes osama was on the cia payroll. From my understandings as well any ways.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 10:05:00 AM »
I just think it is crazy how our government funds these militias to fight wars that are in our best interest at the time. We give them the training and weapons. Then some years later they turn out to our enemy. Is that what they mean by that saying that goes, The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I never did quite understand that saying.  ::) Dale
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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 10:06:49 AM »
I just think it is crazy how our government funds these militias to fight wars that are in our best interest at the time. We give them the training and weapons. Then some years later they turn out to our enemy. Is that what they mean by that saying that goes, The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I never did quite understand that saying.  ::) Dale

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2009, 10:19:22 AM »
would hate to be him if ya'll are right !
they would have to exterminate him so the story wouldn't get out !
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2009, 10:20:57 AM »
would hate to be him if ya'll are right !
they would have to exterminate him so the story wouldn't get out !

Cant kill him. What if they need to lower our population again then who would they go to.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 10:25:29 AM »
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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 10:38:28 AM »
He's DEAD.

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2009, 11:09:00 AM »
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LOL. Mines well every thing else went to them.
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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2009, 11:16:04 AM »
I read an article awhile back that said Osama was on dialysis for his kidney's.  That was several years ago.  I would think if anything, that would have killed him by now. 
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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2009, 11:28:11 AM »
He's DEAD.

He maybe it's immaterial really and even if the KNEW for sure he was they'd not share that with us. They need a scapegoat to blame bad things on and for us to hate rather than the folks in DC who are the real terrorists.


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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2009, 12:16:05 PM »
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 Last I heard , Osama was picked for some cabinet position by Obama! He's in D.C. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2009, 01:55:22 PM »
Maybe that's the reason the boy wouldn't give up his blackberry, so no one would know who he was talking to.

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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2009, 02:13:36 PM »
Maybe that's the reason the boy wouldn't give up his blackberry, so no one would know who he was talking to.

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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2009, 03:01:50 PM »
He's dead, been dead a long tme in fact. No reason to let the world know, it would make him a martyr amongst the muslim animals and would have weakened the American resolve to kill muslims if this was a widely known fact. JMO
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2009, 03:06:50 PM »
alive and well in the penthouse of a french hotel were the iatolla of iran hid for years.
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Re: Where's bin Laden? Science may hold the answer.
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2009, 03:20:17 PM »
It seems to me I heard he came out with some new tapes a few months back. In them he talked about current events. The experts say it is him. Dale
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2009, 03:25:12 PM »
NEWS FLASH: Obama signs Executive Order giving Bin Laden a cost of living increase on his CIA pay check.

 
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