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Offline cherokee75

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.45-70 load for 1895G
« on: February 18, 2009, 04:21:44 PM »
I have reloading supplies coming for my 1895G.  I have some Remington 300 grain bullets in .458 coming so I intend to start out with those.  As of right now, the loads will strictly be for target shooting.  I am looking for loads using IMR4895.  I am sure there are better powders but I have just under a full can I want to use up before I buy new powder.  So I would like to hear some loads for the above bullet and powder combination as well as what is a better powder for my next purchase?

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 02:03:07 AM »
According to the Hodgden reloading manual, H4895 and Varget produce fairly good velocities while creating the least pressure, which is what I am looking for. They also include IMR 4895 is some of their data. That being said, so far I have only used IMR 4198 in my 45-70, but will be using and trying H4895, since I just purchased my Obama 8lb. Keg.

Sorry, but in other words, I don't know of any loads for IMR 4895 other than what Hodgden Lists.

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 08:01:49 AM »
Try this,.....
300 gr Jacketed Bullet
over
63 grains H335,
Winchester LR primer....

Fast with obnoxious loud boom !!
Will truly impress your friends with this one !!!

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 08:13:18 AM »
You could achieve almost the same velocity at just 200 cup higher pressure with
55.0 gr of H4198 and more then likely less fouling in the barrel.
BTW. Using an 8lb rifle you will have 30 to 33 ftlb of recoil energy to deal with. Not for me !
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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 09:34:56 AM »
Go to http://data.hodgdon.com Hodgdon's web site and work your way to the 45-70 loads for "Trapdoor Rifles". They have a few loads listed there using H-4895 and 300 grain Lead and HP bullets.

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 02:16:35 PM »
I'll chime in on loads when I can get to my books.

For your next powder, you might consider Varget, especially if you will be loading for any other rifles.
I decided to try Varget after everyone was out of every other powder that was suitable.  I'm sure glad I did.  When I load to the upper level of trapdoor loads and the lower level of 1895 loads, I get great accuracy.  I don't have a chrono, but I'm guestimating that I'm moving a 405 gr cast bullet at around 1650 fps.  Highly accurate, and I'm sure it will work great for hunting.

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 02:14:37 PM »
A Hornady 350gr. Interlock FP over some Benchmark seems to be the best in my rifle. I think that its listed in the Lyman manual.

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2009, 07:16:00 AM »
Lyman#48 Page 300 lists Benchmark for the 350 gr. Speer bullet.

Suggested Start is 51.0 gr 1743 fps from a 24" barrel  cup is 27,100
MAX load              57.0 gr 2025 fps   "    "  "     "         "   " 36,600

Cases: Rem   Primers Rem 9 1/2   OAL 2.710
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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 11:00:13 AM »
50.5 grains of IMR 3031 with Remington's 405 grain HP is tack driver in my partner's GG.

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2009, 01:23:53 PM »
Gotta +1 to Castaway on this one.
50.0 gr IMR 3031 in my 1895 GS is 1" @ 100 yards for 3 rounds using a Scout scope(Burris).

Absolutely knocks the stuffing out of whitetails-DRT for the 2 I took with it this year.

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2009, 02:27:57 AM »
57 grains of IMR3031 and a Remington 300 grain shoots just over an inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards in my 1895ss.  This is a 22 inch barrel, not a guide gun.
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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2009, 06:43:04 AM »
Cherokee75, for just shooting targets try 40 grs. of 4895 with your 300 gr. bullet.  You can go up to 50 and more but 40 will be accurate and a good load to get used to the rifle.  have fun.
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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2009, 02:50:37 PM »
The 300 gr. bullet is designed for deer-sized animals with relatively thin skin. Don't ponder using it for elk, bear, moose or where a lot of penetration is needed.
I bought my Marlin 1895 in 1977. Been reloading for it since. It's a wonderful rifle but I would urge you to resist the temptation to Magnumize it with high-pressure loads.
Millions of deer, buffalo, bear, moose, elk and other critters have fallen to the old, .45-70 load of a 405 grain lead bullet at 1,250 feet per second, or thereabouts.
With a bullet this big, and this heavy, high velocity isn't needed to make a clean kill. What is required is good bullet placement. Marksmanship cannot be substituted with velocity.
I would also urge you to view all loads on the internet suspiciously. I've seen loads posted for the 1895 Marlin that, if not gun-wreckers, were surely straining the gun so much that they were time bombs.
Why people have to eke the last few feet per seconds out of the .45-70, and strain their gun doing so, is beyond me.
These same maniacs would try to create +p loads for the Browning .50-cal for hunting chipmunks!
When I visit my cabin in British Columbia, Canada, I bring my Marlin 1895 loaded with the Lyman 457193 flatpoint cast bullet at about 1,600 fps. I have no doubts that it will protect me from any grizzly, black bear or moose that poses a danger. Boosting that same bullet to 1,800 fps causes fearsome recoil and may prevent me from getting a quick, second shot.

Okay, the ol' grumpy cat will get down off his soapbox.

As for using the 300 gr. jacketed bullet and IMR 4895:

Some folks on here have listed loads for Hodgdon 4895, not the IMR 4895 that you listed. Here's what the IMR Powder folks recommend for a 300 gr. jacketed bullet in lever-action .45-70 rifles:

Starting Load
Bullet: 300 gr. jacketed HP
Bullet diameter: .458 inch
Powder: IMR 4895 - 58.5 grs.
Velocity: 1,800 fps
Pressure: 19,900 Copper Units of Pressure (CUP)
Overall Cartridge Length: 2.525 inch

Maximum Load
Bullet: 300 gr. jacketed HP
Bullet diameter: 458 inch
Powder IMR 4895 - 65.0 grs. (Compressed Load)
Velocity: 2,087 fps
Pressure: 30,000 CUP
Overall Cartridge Length: 2.525 inch

Note: IMR 4895 and Hodgdon 4895 are NOT the same powders. Pay attention to this fact when researching loads. Both powders are now marketed by Hodgdon, and loads for both are listed separately on the Hodgdon website.

Also, pay particular attention to the overall cartridge length for your Marlin.
Original and reissued 1886 Winchesters will accommodate longer cartridges than the 1895 Marlin, so ensure you're not using an overall cartridge length suggested for the 1886 Winchester.
Loading an over-long cartridge into the Marlin will tie up the gun, requiring time and effort to remove it. Ample cussing is usually required too (the voice of experience here).

I don't use either 4895 in my own 45-70. IMR 3031 is one of the finest powders to use in this cartridge, when used in the Marlin. I've decided that the Maximum load in my own Marlin is 50.0 grains of IMR 3031 under the jacketed 400 to 405 gr. bullet. Any more than this, and tell-tale signs of too much pressure are evident.
The late Elmer Keith used to recommend 53.0 grs. of IMR 3031 for the 1886 Winchester, under a 405 gr. jacketed bullet, but that was more than 50 years ago. The volume of cases, primer strength (brisance) and IMR 3031 powder itself have changed slightly since Keith was reloading. Avoid his classic load.

The .45-70 is a very easy cartridge to load. It's accurate and incredibly versatile.
Down the road, if you get in a playful mood, you can load three .457 inch lead balls in a single case, for a multiple projectile load that's fun to shoot at close range.
Or you can create shotshells using .45-caliber felt Wonder Wads or gas checks, or a combination of both. These are good loads to have in your pocket if you're hunting and run across a grouse or rabbit at close range.
Seat a hollow-based, factory .45 Long Colt 250 gr. conical lead bullet in the .45-70 and you'll have a fun plinking and small game load.
A caseful of FFFG black powder and a couple of Wonder Wads seated firmly on top creates a good, booming blank for Fourth of July or New Year's Eve. Just remember to clean your rifle and the case right away, to avoid corrosion from the salts in black powder.
The .45-70 cartridge is a marvelous round. You're going to love it.  ;D
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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2009, 12:50:26 PM »
For a very mild plinker/hunting load you can start with 24.0 gr of 2400 up to a maximum of 30.0 gr Muzzle velocity is  1400 to 1700 fps for a 300 gr jacketed bullet.
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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2009, 06:40:29 AM »
50.5 grains of IMR 3031 with Remington's 405 grain HP is tack driver in my partner's GG.

i  see 50 g 3031 posted  a lot   seems  to be the one  most popular  load
just from my reading [no real world experience]  this seemed  like the load  i want to work  towards
or should  i just start  here  and then decide to go up or down??

what velocity do you get?  i have 3 lbs of 3031 and a 405 WFN from LBT


this seems like  the power level  i want  but  have not yet loaded for the 45-70
and  have only fired factory  trapdoor loads

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Re: .45-70 load for 1895G
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2009, 10:47:45 AM »
If you want a quick 'n cheap source for 45-70 load data, pick up one of these LoadBooks. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=694314  These contain data from most bullet mfg. & powder Mfg.'s for most popular bullets.

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