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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2009, 10:40:05 AM »
So are the loading dies made with the 311 or 308 dia. bullet in mind or can you get both as was the case with the 762x39 .
Can you order dies to load the 311 bullet or do you need a M die to step up to the 311.
I see Lee has dies and the russian rifles rifles both bolt and Auto,s are becoming common place .
I have wondered what one might be getting into . If your bore size is to the 311 bullet why then would you want to load the 308 thirty cal bullet ?

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2009, 07:46:38 PM »
Lee dies come with a .308" sizer ball. I bought a .311" sizer ball for the .303 Brit dies and swapped them out.

I did it because not 1 of my 10 Mosins miked out less than .310"

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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2009, 10:40:37 AM »
slug the bore.

the 1897 Tula model 91, I had had a .310 bore
the Chinese T53 I had had a .312 bore
the Finnish P-27 has the tightest bore .309............go figure?

Save you time in bullet selection, one rifle will shoot light ball just fine and one (P-27) will shoot well with bullets over 174gr weights the P-27 loves the wolf 205gr soft point ammo.

the one great thing is that I have a Enfield #4, 1891 Argentine Mauser, the only Moisn Ive saved was the old tomato stake P-27  parts gun that was too thrashed to sell (silk purse outta a sow's ear gun)
all like the same bullet but at different velocitys.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2009, 12:26:11 PM »
from what I'm reading here, it would seem that being in my position of not being able or even know how to reload ammo it would'nt be worth it to buy a mosin nagant 1942 type of rifle. It looks cool but I dont want a gun that I cant shoot. Its bad enough I cant even find 22 lr, 9mm, 40 cal. or 7mm weatherby mag rounds in CA. other than a yard sale. :o
Any thoughts on weather I should buy the mosin unregistered & for 50 bucks?
What would it be worth to you?
do you even have to register these old guns?

I dont mean to thread jack, I am just curious if you all think it would be worth buying it?

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2009, 12:41:38 PM »
from what I'm reading here, it would seem that being in my position of not being able or even know how to reload ammo it would'nt be worth it to buy a mosin nagant 1942 type of rifle. It looks cool but I dont want a gun that I cant shoot. Its bad enough I cant even find 22 lr, 9mm, 40 cal. or 7mm weatherby mag rounds in CA. other than a yard sale. :o
Any thoughts on weather I should buy the mosin unregistered & for 50 bucks?
What would it be worth to you?
do you even have to register these old guns?

I dont mean to thread jack, I am just curious if you all think it would be worth buying it?


If you live in the USA you usaully don't have to register any firearm None of mine are. As for buying and shooting a Mosin, Go for it I really like to shoot mine and surplus ammo is cheap for them, I reload my own also and will prolly hunt wuth it next year,( Tat depends cuz I've got so many choices. ::) :o)  Mosins are genrally wel worth the dollars spent. 8)

At least ammo is easy to get here in Kentucky
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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2009, 05:07:04 PM »
from what I'm reading here, it would seem that being in my position of not being able or even know how to reload ammo it would'nt be worth it to buy a mosin nagant 1942 type of rifle. It looks cool but I dont want a gun that I cant shoot. Its bad enough I cant even find 22 lr, 9mm, 40 cal. or 7mm weatherby mag rounds in CA. other than a yard sale. :o
Any thoughts on weather I should buy the mosin unregistered & for 50 bucks?
What would it be worth to you?
do you even have to register these old guns?

I dont mean to thread jack, I am just curious if you all think it would be worth buying it?


If you live in the USA you usaully don't have to register any firearm None of mine are. As for buying and shooting a Mosin, Go for it I really like to shoot mine and surplus ammo is cheap for them, I reload my own also and will prolly hunt wuth it next year,( Tat depends cuz I've got so many choices. ::) :o)  Mosins are genrally wel worth the dollars spent. 8)

At least ammo is easy to get here in Kentucky

Ya, california isnt realy part of this country anymore if you hadnt noticed. LOL
Theres so many laws & restrictions to remember that I dont bother paying attention anymore.
I think CA. law says all firearms manufactured after a certain date have to be registered if I have it in my possesion outside my home. none of mine are registered either. ;D
I have old guns that dont even have cerial numbers stamped on it, only make, model & what ammo it takes.


Anyway,
762x54R, thats a new round in my book of knowledge. very interesting. I heard a story that the russians made this caliber so the enemy couldnt use their ammo. Is there other non russian guns that shoot 762x54R?

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2009, 05:15:39 PM »
i load mine like my 303 brit.(same powder charge and bullet) and it works great too
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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2009, 05:51:49 AM »
[quote.
Anyway,
762x54R, thats a new round in my book of knowledge. very interesting. I heard a story that the russians made this caliber so the enemy couldnt use their ammo. Is there other non russian guns that shoot 762x54R?
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Well you can "hear" about anything and most of it is BS, as in this case. The Mosin-Nagant was developed in Russia at about the same time all countries were making the change from big bore black powder rounds to the new small bore high velocity rounds. Most were looking at calibers between 7mm and 8mm but most countries wanted their own unique development. I think that was driven by nationalistic pride rather than any concern that another country might use their ammo. Many countries which lacked the capability of producing their own rifles settled on the Mauser rifle in 7x57 or 8x57 just because they could buy the Mauser rifle and ammo from Germany. They didn't seem to worry that the country across the boarder was using the same rifle in the same caliber. Just look at how many countries today use the AK-47 rifle and 7.62X39 ammo.
 I had a fellow insist that in Nam the VC could use our ammo but we couldn't use theirs, as if we'd want to. I think perhaps one can fire our 7.62x51 NATO ammo in a Mosin-Nagant as a singleshot, knocking the fired case out with a cleaning rod--- But I sure wouldn't want to try it!
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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2009, 10:46:56 AM »
Slug your bore to see what diameter bullet you need. Use a .315 muzzle loader ball driven down the barrel. Measure the high spots, that will be the groove diameter. If it comes out .310 to .3105 use .311 diameter bullets. If it comes out .3105 to .3115 use use .312 bullets. If it measures larger than .3115 get rid of it and get you another rifle if you want to shoot jacketed bullets.

This is the most accurate load that I have found that is a tack driver in every M/N I have used it in and that is a bunch.

50 grs Accurate Arms 4350, Graf/Prvi or Lapua case, CCI 200 primer, for rifles that need .311 bullets use the Sierra 174 gr Match King for paper punching or their 180 gr SP for hunting. OAL 3.000 for Rifles that need .312 bullets use the Hornady 174 RNSP OAL 2.790 and use a Lee Factory Crimp Die on all loads.

This load is one full grain below max load given by Accurate Arms.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2010, 10:29:25 AM »
99.9% or the Russian rifles are .311 bore. Most all shoot the .312 bullets great, but alot of them will shoot the .3105 and .311 good also. The 123 grain fmj and sp bullets for the 7.62x 39 are fun for plinking and shoot pretty well. I have a  large supply of the 123 grain V-Max bullets that do quite well also. Try the .308 diameter also, case my SKS with .311 bore shoots them without loosing much for accuracy. Hornady and Sierra both list them in there load manuals.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2010, 09:02:22 PM »
I have found that the brass for this caliber is as high as reloadable Wolf or S&B ammo.  So, I buy the ammo with intent to reload later. 

 My local gun shop has primed 7.62x54 brass for 50 dollars for 100 cases. Im in the process of getting the dies I need. The one mosin slugged is 0.312". I just got a new laminate stocked one with pristine rifling that I havent slugged yet. Ive been told that 0.311 or 0.312 bullets that are sold for 303 British are the best to use,at least for those that are the right size. They say the Finnish ones are really 308 though.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2010, 09:03:43 PM »
Slug your bore to see what diameter bullet you need. Use a .315 muzzle loader ball driven down the barrel. Measure the high spots, that will be the groove diameter. If it comes out .310 to .3105 use .311 diameter bullets. If it comes out .3105 to .3115 use use .312 bullets. If it measures larger than .3115 get rid of it and get you another rifle if you want to shoot jacketed bullets.

This is the most accurate load that I have found that is a tack driver in every M/N I have used it in and that is a bunch.

50 grs Accurate Arms 4350, Graf/Prvi or Lapua case, CCI 200 primer, for rifles that need .311 bullets use the Sierra 174 gr Match King for paper punching or their 180 gr SP for hunting. OAL 3.000 for Rifles that need .312 bullets use the Hornady 174 RNSP OAL 2.790 and use a Lee Factory Crimp Die on all loads.

This load is one full grain below max load given by Accurate Arms.

 I used a piece of unplated 00 lead buckshot.  I cut off a piece of 5/16 dowel to get it started (it stuck in the bore,so dont try to actually insert it into the bore,just use it to get the ball started) I then drive it through with a 1/4" dowel.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2010, 06:18:46 PM »
from what I'm reading here, it would seem that being in my position of not being able or even know how to reload ammo it would'nt be worth it to buy a mosin nagant 1942 type of rifle. It looks cool but I dont want a gun that I cant shoot. Its bad enough I cant even find 22 lr, 9mm, 40 cal. or 7mm weatherby mag rounds in CA. other than a yard sale. :o
Any thoughts on weather I should buy the mosin unregistered & for 50 bucks?
What would it be worth to you?
do you even have to register these old guns?

I dont mean to thread jack, I am just curious if you all think it would be worth buying it?

 You can get setup to reload for 100-150 easy. Not only will you be able to reload for a mosin,you can reload for all your other guns too. A set of reloading dies costs about 30 bucks. I consider that price as part of the cost whenever I buy a new gun now.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2010, 06:47:26 AM »
If you had one or two hundred brass, you can reload them about 10 time before they split.  Just buy 1,000 primers, powder, and bullets.  It is cheaper than buying 1,000 rounds of ammo.  However Russian and S&B ammo is available and fairly cheap compared to American ammo, and S&B is brass, so it can be reloaded.  Buy a spare bolt and firing pin and the rifle should last at least your lifetime.  

$100 rifle,
$100 worth of handloading equipment
$100 worth of brass
$100 worth of primers, power, and bullets, and you can reload about 100-200 rounds.

You have a $400 set up basically, and a couple hundred more dollars and you can reload 1,000 rounds.  

This is less expensive than an American rifle, and you have also begain your set up for reloading other calibers.  Only dies, and bullets probably would have to be bought to reload for another caliber.  

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« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2010, 06:58:48 PM »
Well, I bought 2500 pulled .311" 147 grain FMJBT projectiles from Wideners for $152 bucks shipped. I should be set for a while.

Good thing I grabbed 'em, because I think they sold out! 8)

 Thats about 6cents each. You would have a hard time casting for that. Nice find.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2010, 04:46:55 PM »
I was Pretty lucky and scored 800 rounds of the CDNN JMS bras cased Boxer primed stuff a few years back.  Good stuff and reloadable brass....I recall being upset I paid .25 a round delivered, thought I was getting ripped off!!   ;) ;)



I also scored about 500 of that JMS stuff from Smokewagon Gear. It was 5 bucks for a bag of twenty. I also have Lapua, Norma, Prvi Partizan, and Winchester brass of have gotten through various brass swap deals on other boards. I did not consider .25 cents apiece for a boxer primed 7.62X54R brass bad at all. The stuff shot well, too.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2010, 07:51:33 PM »
If you had one or two hundred brass, you can reload them about 10 time before they split.  Just buy 1,000 primers, powder, and bullets.  It is cheaper than buying 1,000 rounds of ammo.  However Russian and S&B ammo is available and fairly cheap compared to American ammo, and S&B is brass, so it can be reloaded.  Buy a spare bolt and firing pin and the rifle should last at least your lifetime.  

$100 rifle,
$100 worth of handloading equipment
$100 worth of brass
$100 worth of primers, power, and bullets, and you can reload about 100-200 rounds.

You have a $400 set up basically, and a couple hundred more dollars and you can reload 1,000 rounds.  

This is less expensive than an American rifle, and you have also begain your set up for reloading other calibers.  Only dies, and bullets probably would have to be bought to reload for another caliber.  

 My dies and mold havent come in for it yet,but what I am going to try are the 93 grain .311 pistol bullets with a really light load for plinking. It should be easy on the brass,be able to use cast bullets without a gas check and should also be good for small game.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2010, 03:55:57 PM »
So are the loading dies made with the 311 or 308 dia. bullet in mind or can you get both as was the case with the 762x39 .
Can you order dies to load the 311 bullet or do you need a M die to step up to the 311.
I see Lee has dies and the russian rifles rifles both bolt and Auto,s are becoming common place .
I have wondered what one might be getting into . If your bore size is to the 311 bullet why then would you want to load the 308 thirty cal bullet ?

My RCBS neck size only die came with both size expander balls. My Lee dies only had the .308 expancer, but I ordered a .303 Brit expander for it. It fits just fine and is for .311-.312" bullets.
You might like the better price deals that can be found in bulk or pulled milsurp bullets you can find in .308. But the smallest bore on any of my Mosin Nagants is .3105, so I prefer .311" bullets.

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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 07:46:45 PM »
 When I was shooting my Finn Nagant I used the Lyman 311299. I sized .313 which didnt touch the bullet much.  20.0 gr of Accurate 1680 performed well and gave about 1600 fps.  Seat the bullet as far out as possible with just the gas check and a bit more in the case neck.  When sizing the case just size down the least needed to hold the bullet.  Another good bullet is the Saeco 301 weighing about 200gr.  The Saeco 311 at about 165gr may work for you. Mine liked the longer bullets.
    If you are going to ''slug'' the bore, drive the largest cast bullet into the throat.  Stop there. Dont drive it through the barrel.  rp

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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 07:49:51 PM »
When I was shooting my Finn Nagant I used the Lyman 311299. I sized .313 which didnt touch the bullet much.  20.0 gr of Accurate 1680 performed well and gave about 1600 fps.  Seat the bullet as far out as possible with just the gas check and a bit more in the case neck.  When sizing the case just size down the least needed to hold the bullet.  Another good bullet is the Saeco 301 weighing about 200gr.  The Saeco 311 at about 165gr may work for you. Mine liked the longer bullets.
    If you are going to ''slug'' the bore, drive the largest cast bullet into the throat.  Stop there. Dont drive it through the barrel.  rp

 I was told to use a piece of 00 buck.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2010, 11:23:51 AM »
i load mine like my 303 brit.(same powder charge and bullet) and it works great too

Huh? I use the same 147 grain .311" bullets, but I put 40 grains in my .303, and 48 grains in my 7.62X54R. HUGE difference.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2010, 12:09:38 PM »
Hunter Fisherman, the Mosin-Nagant was manufactured in Russia from 1891 until the mid-50's.  Millions were made.  They are running around $100 at gun shows now.  The long version was the early version and was also used as their sniper rifle in WWII.  The shorter version was made in WWII until the end of production.  It was easier to used in house to house combat.  Surprised you've never heard of the rifle and caliber.  The 7.62x54 is also used in their Dragonov (spelling?) semi-auto rifle in which I think is still used today.  You can easily find ammo at gun shows and locally owned gun shops.  Chain stores probably won't have it.  You can also buy a tin case of several hundred rounds like the guys above said of the military ball ammo.  It is ok for plinking, but not for hunting.  And like some said, they pulled the bullets and put hunting bullets in them.  The British .303 was developed about the same time and therefore the similarity with it.  Mauser came out with the 8mm in 1898 and America copied it with the 30-06.  Hope this little history helps.  Maybe others can add. 

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2010, 06:37:20 PM »
i shoot lyman's 314299 cast of wheel weights with 2% tin added. Javelina lube, sized .002 over the groove diameter or in the case of my rifle .3135 cases are from hansen. When I got these there were no other brands available. 20.0 grains IMR 4759 sparked by winchester large rifle primers. On a good day with my lousey eyes I get about 2" groups on the average. I estimate about 1600fps. Good accurate load, no leading, very low recoil just fun to shoot. normally when I go shoot I have 100 loaded rounds for me this is good for two trips to the range. The rifle is a finnish reworked model 27 dated 1935 with a VKT barrel. Barrel is virtually mint with no rust, pitting or corrosion in or on the bbl. Frank

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2010, 07:27:25 PM »
What about re-barreling to 7.62x53r so as to be able to use 308 bullets?

 Too much work. Just buy 303. I just picked up a box of 100 Sierra from the bargain cave for 18 bucks. They normally tend to go for 25-30 or so. There may not be as many choices as 308,but there are plenty of 303 bullets around. If you really MUST have something in a 308,then I would suggest finding something like a Mauser in 30-06. (My Mauser is in 8mm,so once again,I have something that's "Pretty much like a 30-06" but doesn't take 308 bullets,although there is a pretty good selection of 8mm available as well)

 As for Mosins in 308 vs in 311,its been my limited experience that they seem to be around 311. 312 (or even larger) is not uncommon it seems (at least according to what I read,and the ones I have seen) and 310 is on the small side. I would guess a 308 Russian Mosin is possible,but I would guess it would be "Undersized" at the edge of or even out of tolerance,and thus the very lucky exception not the rule. The Finns are reputed to have used 308 barrels. I have read some sources that say the 7.62x53 is just another name for the 54r and others that claim it refers to the cartridge with the smaller bullet. I personally wouldnt EXPECT to find a 308 bullet if I bought a box of surplus 7.62x53,although knowing the whole issue,I wouldn't EXPECT to find a 311 either.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2010, 07:30:57 PM »
Rechamber / rebarrel are the same to me. I agree that it seems like more trouble than its worth for a Moisin. Same with efforts to make an MOA rifle out of a military issue rifle from 1891.

I'm curious how one can "rechamber" to a smaller bore size?  Most Mosins shoot .308 bullets ok, but .311 or .312's do better.

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 You can use 308 bullets if you want. Most of the manufacturers supply load data for the cartridge with a 308 bullet. They just wont be as accurate. My suggestion is,if you want your Mosin to be accurate,use the larger bullets,if you just want to plink,use what you can find cheapest. I bet the price difference,if any,that you could save by going with the smaller more common bullet (303 isnt THAT uncommon,its readily available even if your choices are more limited) is NEVER going to pay for the cost of re barreling. You would be better off picking up one of the Finnish ones,it would probably cost less than all the work on the Russian one.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2010, 07:33:33 PM »
Bullets are easy, brass is hard. I got a lot of my brass from ammobrasstrader. com. I also bought a pile when Smokewagon gear had JMS headstamped fully loaded 7.62X54R ammo for 5 bucks/20. They were Boxer primed and I been reloading them since. Sadly, no longer available. I have JMS, Norma, Lapua, Winchester, Prvi Partizan, and S&B brass.

Any bullet for .303 Brits work fine. A lot of people just use .308" projectiles and say they have no problems, but none of my Mosins bores slug out that low, so I use .311-.312" bullets. Right now I bought 2000 pulled .311" 147 grain FMJBT's, and I expect I'll be shooting them for a long time. I use cheap milsurp for plinking, and my reloads if I want to see how accurate I can shoot the rifle.


 Brass is not nearly as hard to get now. My local gun store carries it,along with 8mm Mauser. I paid a little less than 50 for 100 7.62x54R primed Winchester cases,so I cant complain.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2010, 07:56:21 PM »
from what I'm reading here, it would seem that being in my position of not being able or even know how to reload ammo it would'nt be worth it to buy a mosin nagant 1942 type of rifle. It looks cool but I dont want a gun that I cant shoot. Its bad enough I cant even find 22 lr, 9mm, 40 cal. or 7mm weatherby mag rounds in CA. other than a yard sale. :o
Any thoughts on weather I should buy the mosin unregistered & for 50 bucks?
What would it be worth to you?
do you even have to register these old guns?

I dont mean to thread jack, I am just curious if you all think it would be worth buying it?

 Absolutely. They are cheap,and shoot well. Surplus ammo is also very cheap. Locally I can get a "spam can" of 440 Berdan primed (not re-loadable) cartridges for a little less than 100 dollars. In fact,many people argue that its not WORTH reloading because surplus ammo is so cheap. The only down side to surplus ammo is its usually (some say always) corrosively primed. What that means is,after you shoot your gun,you MUST clean it. Dont leave it over night and make sure you do a good job. Some people use household ammonia,others use commercial cleaners,and there are as many opinions as cartridges in a spam can of ammo,but you must clean it or it will rust. My opinion is that most of the methods work. I suspect few people will have a method they "think works" but are mistaken about because if you don't do it right,you WILL know the next time you take the bolt out and look up the bore.

 At around 23-25 cents a round,I agree,you cant justify reloading based on price. If I'm careful (I COULD save a few cents over surplus if I used cast bullets,which I plan on doing as I can save around at least 10 cents a bullet which is nothing to sneeze at) I can reload for around 20-25 cents a bullet,but that's only if I'm lucky and get a good price on bullets,which isn't always the case. What I do get though is a cartridge made from fire-formed brass that perfectly fits MY gun,made from high quality components and non corrosive primers. What I mean by fire formed is that once I fire a cartridge in my gun,I keep track of which gun it was shot from. I then only re-size the neck to seat the new bullet,but try my best to avoid touching the other dimensions. That way,that once (or twice or whatever) fired cartridge fits the gun it was fired from perfectly to create the most consistency between shots that I can get. That leads to better accuracy.

 If you go to the gun store,you will see things like surplus "Sniper" ammo for the Mosin or even the "Sniper" ammo made by Buffalo Bore. Think of all that stuff as laying somewhere between a slightly higher grade ammo for "designated marksmen" (who are the ones that get the "sniper rifles" in the Russian army,and marketing hype that sounds alot better than "match grade". If you absolutely MUST make a shot,you want the custom ammo that hand loading supplies,that is, custom fit and loaded to YOUR particular gun. Of course most of us dont HAVE to make the shot,we just want to (even if that trophy elk to beat all others is standing before you at 200 yards,if you miss,your just going to be telling that story about how the wind picked up or it moved at the last second for the next 20 years,but you will be alive and kicking to tell the story). For us its fun to have really accurate ammo.

  If you go to the store and buy "Black Adder Super Ultra Advanced Tactical Sniper" ammo,you going to be paying 3 bucks a round or more. Maybe you will get some sort of oxide coating or a snazzy looking bullet (chances are though,you will get 40 cent Winchester brass with a 20 cent Sierra bullet,all good stuff,but still..) and you get a nice box with silver raised lettering and a shiny red cross-hair over the silhouette for a soldier. Thats about it. If you load your own,you pay 40 cents for the brass (which you re-use) and 20 cents for that same sierra bullet,but your ammo shoots better. Alot better. Not only can you save money,you get a better product.

 Reloading is not really that expensive either. For around 100-150 dollars you can get the stuff from Lee Precision to get started. Lee makes the lowest cost equipment. Many people like it,some people fall between the spectrum of preferring the more expensive stuff,to be being outright snobbish about it. Still,the Lee stuff works,and my suggestion is,if your going to start hand loading,go with the Lee. Its so cheap,when you find pieces of the kit (I suggest the kits) that don't meet your needs or expectations,just replace it. If you bought the expensive stuff,then it still might not be what you want or like,but you have a lot of money in it. Starting out you don't have the understanding of what you need,what you want ,and what you can get away with,so go cheap so you don't have a large investment in something to prevent you from upgrading.

 As for registration,that depends on your state laws. In Utah,we don't have to register guns. Most places do not require registration of most guns,but some do. For the most part,the registration myth comes from TV where the detective or investigator mentions how someone had a 'gun registered to them" (a plot device so that the police know the suspect had a gun,but is hiding it or disposed of it) or that a suspects gun "wasn't registered" You defiantly want to check your state (and local) laws,but if your buying your gun from a gun store they will know what is required. In some places,be careful of private party transactions. In a few places,ALL gun transactions must go through a licensed dealer,which means if your friend sells you an gun,you are both breaking the law. If you live in one of those places,its no big deal,just go to a gun store and they will help you do the transfer. (OK,its a royal PITA,but its routine,you just pay a fee,and in some places there is a waiting period,then you get your gun)

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2010, 07:57:34 PM »
I just noticed,your in California. I believe that means you MUST transfer firearms through a licensed dealer. (I seem to recall that "assualt weapons" which is a euphamism for "Big scary looking guns with lots of plastic and sharp pointy things sticking off them" may have to be registered,but its been a long time since I lived there so I may be wrong. I do recall having to transfer a rifle through a dealer,so Im pretty sure you cant just buy one from someone,but instead have to pay a transfer fee at a gun store. Its a PITA but overall a simple process. I also seem to recall just after the last gun I bought in california there was some sort of gun safety test thing they started requiring,but I dont know if it was just for handguns.

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2010, 04:28:27 PM »
What about re-barreling to 7.62x53r so as to be able to use 308 bullets?

Well I guess you can rebarrel about anything if you're willing to spend enough money in the process but in this case it would be a solution to a problem that does not exist, there is no difficulty in obtaining bullets of .311 or .312", well, no more difficult than obtaining .308" or any other bullets right now. Few people would care to spend $300 to rebarrel a rifle they bought for $75.

I bought one for $59, and a couple for $69! ;)

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Re: 7.62x 54r reloads
« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2010, 04:32:02 PM »
Bullets are easy, brass is hard. I got a lot of my brass from ammobrasstrader. com. I also bought a pile when Smokewagon gear had JMS headstamped fully loaded 7.62X54R ammo for 5 bucks/20. They were Boxer primed and I been reloading them since. Sadly, no longer available. I have JMS, Norma, Lapua, Winchester, Prvi Partizan, and S&B brass.

Any bullet for .303 Brits work fine. A lot of people just use .308" projectiles and say they have no problems, but none of my Mosins bores slug out that low, so I use .311-.312" bullets. Right now I bought 2000 pulled .311" 147 grain FMJBT's, and I expect I'll be shooting them for a long time. I use cheap milsurp for plinking, and my reloads if I want to see how accurate I can shoot the rifle.


 Brass is not nearly as hard to get now. My local gun store carries it,along with 8mm Mauser. I paid a little less than 50 for 100 7.62x54R primed Winchester cases,so I cant complain.

I do not like Winchester cases. They are really made by S&B. So far my Lee Enfield has had two case ruptures, both of them S&B, no other brand has done it. Also for some reason the primer pockets are really tight on Win/S&B brass. I won't even try to use my hand priming machine on them, I have to break out my Ram Prime.