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Goverment Logic???
« on: February 19, 2009, 03:25:46 AM »
Ok I don't know all of the facts, just what I heard on the radio and a few internet articles, but apparently our government feels that 100cc Bikes are unsafe for children and have outlawed them and parts to them.  I personally don't have an opinion on wether they are safe or not, but I do have an opinion on them being banned.  It is just plain wrong.  My question is what are people supposed to use now to teach their kids to ride?  A bigger bike?  It just doesn't make sense!  Let's outlaw the smallest bike and pray that parents just all of a sudden don't let their kids ride anymore.  In my opinion we will see more kids killed on bike now than ever before. 

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Re: Goverment Logic???
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 03:46:45 AM »
Ok I don't know all of the facts, just what I heard on the radio and a few internet articles, but apparently our government feels that 100cc Bikes are unsafe for children and have outlawed them and parts to them.  I personally don't have an opinion on wether they are safe or not, but I do have an opinion on them being banned.  It is just plain wrong.  My question is what are people supposed to use now to teach their kids to ride?  A bigger bike?  It just doesn't make sense!  Let's outlaw the smallest bike and pray that parents just all of a sudden don't let their kids ride anymore.  In my opinion we will see more kids killed on bike now than ever before. 

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Its just another way for are goverment to feel used and put a leash on us. That is one dumb thing to do. 100 cc bikes are not even to powerfull. I guess you have to teach them a little earlier on a 80cc now. I love how are goverment challenges our mentality every day. EX speed limit signs. Most other countries dont even have them. Look at the statistics they have less accidents. Its just a way to fine more people. Also a way to make us look stupid as a nation. It should be the parents descion I mean its there kids. No one knows there kids better than the parents.
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Re: Goverment Logic???
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 03:58:45 AM »

Its just another way for are goverment to feel used and put a leash on us. That is one dumb thing to do. 100 cc bikes are not even to powerfull. I guess you have to teach them a little earlier on a 80cc now.

I'm sorry I should have stated that 100cc and ANYTHING smaller that isn't powered by a small battery,(power wheels, barbie jeeps) are banned.

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 03:59:48 AM »
I heard this had nothing to do with safety as we think of it. This was a result of the bikes containing a lead product somewhere and lead has been deemed harmful for children.  We can't have "kids" riding for awhile and then gnawing on carburetor parts  :o   8)
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 04:01:32 AM »
Wow any thing smaller to. What a goverment...lol and we live in a FREE county. HA!
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 05:18:11 AM »

Its just another way for are goverment to feel used and put a leash on us. That is one dumb thing to do. 100 cc bikes are not even to powerfull. I guess you have to teach them a little earlier on a 80cc now.

I'm sorry I should have stated that 100cc and ANYTHING smaller that isn't powered by a small battery,(power wheels, barbie jeeps) are banned.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2009, 05:39:20 AM »
I heard it on a local radio station this morning and then searched for info about it.  I stated that I didn't have the facts, but I found quiet a few blogs, articles, and other post all saying practically the same thing.  Here is an article from Craigs List.  I always say to consider the source, but I haven't seen anything to discount this information as of yet.

NO PARTS OR MOTORCYCLE SALES of 100CC OR LESS atvs-motorcycles (all u.s.a.)
Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-02-18, 8:19AM EST


NO PARTS OR MOTORCYCLE SALES of 100CC OR LESS atvs-motorcycles
What exactly happened on Feb 10 for motorcycle dealers?

"On February 10 large inventories of motorcycle and ATV products that present no health risk to children "will" be rendered retroactively illegal and future products prohibited from sale. These products will have to be destroyed resulting in severe hardship for dealers and manufacturers in the motorcycle industry. Along with the current state of the economy, this may be a hit that dealers and manufacturers will not be able to recover from."



Can older models still be sold? Used bikes?

"No" New regulations will apply to all current inventory as well as future production at the commercial level."



Can replacement parts still be sold?

"No", replacement and aftermarket parts and accessories will be included in the ban."

SO IF YOU ARE BUYING A SMALL BIKE CHECK IF YOU CAN GET THE PARTS TO KEEP IT RUNNING.............

more info at the ama web site or your local bike shops
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 05:59:53 AM »
lead free how bout the BATTERY ? in battery powered ones ?

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2009, 06:05:18 AM »

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February 5, 2009, 11:42 am
So Long, Dirt-Bike Kids
By Daniel McDermon
Manufacturers and dealers are growing a bit frantic over the implementation of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act, which would effectively ban the sales of small motorcycles and off-road vehicles intended for children under 12 years old beginning next week.

The new regulations, which are set to take effect on Feb. 10, require products intended for children to meet strict limits on lead content, such as in toys. Industry advocates said that certain internal components in motorcycles, including battery terminals and brake parts, contain enough lead to be effectively banned from sale. A letter issued by the American Motorcyclist Association on Tuesday says:

…although the C.P.S.C. has published proposed procedures for seeking exclusion from the lead limits, there is no practical way for manufacturers and distributors of A.T.V.’s and off-highway motorcycles to seek and obtain exclusions prior to the February 10 effective date… Unless the C.P.S.C. acts immediately to grant the manufacturers and distributers of motorcycles and A.T.V.’s emergency relief and a temporary exclusion from the lead limits for certain applications, a severe and unwarranted disruption in the supply of youth-model vehicles will occur.

The act also requires that products intended for children under 12 must be certified by testing laboratories as within the legal lead-content limits. But the implementation of this requirement was delayed for one year by the safety commission on Friday, after an uproar among retailers and manufacturers (and librarians), who pointed out that third-party testing facilities for some products are exceedingly expensive or not available.

On Wednesday, the Motorcycle Industry Council, a group representing manufacturers, called for an e-mail campaign to urge the commission to delay the rule’s implementation. The council has also filed a request for exemption to the new rules and signed a letter [pdf] alongside other members of the National Association of Manufacturers requesting an emergency stay.

In a statement, Paul Vitrano, general counsel for the industry group, said, “There should be common-sense procedures for exclusions of parts, such as brakes, engines and suspensions, that do not present risk to children in the real world.”

On Monday, the American Motorcyclist Association, which represents riders, sent a letter to the commission in support of the industry’s requests. In addition to the difficulty faced by manufacturers and dealers, the association’s letter suggests that making smaller machines unavailable could lead to children riding machines that are too large:

If emergency relief is not granted immediately, some consumers will very likely purchase vehicles that are physically too large for young riders, exposing them to unnecessary risk.

The safety commission has not ruled on the requests.

In its announcement of the certification delay, the commission cited widespread confusion over the requirements.

Regardless of the stay, manufacturers and retailers are still unsure whether they will be able to sell some of their products. After the commission announced its one-year stay on Friday, Honda issued an advisory to dealers that certain models would have to be removed from showroom floors. The models Honda cited were its entry-level trail bikes (the CRF 50F, CRF 70F and CRF 80F) and its small all-terrain vehicle, the TRX 90.

Joel Metter, general manager of New York Motorcycle, which sells Kawasaki and Yamaha vehicles that would be affected by the ban, said that he expected that an agreement on the delay would be reached. Manufacturers have offered to absorb the flooring cost of affected vehicles, Mr. Metter said, meaning that dealers would not be required to make the normal monthly interest payments to the manufacturers on vehicles that had to be pulled from the sales floor.

An industry newsletter, Dealernews, estimated the value of affected motorcycles and other vehicles at $50 million.
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Re: Goverment Logic???
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 08:34:39 AM »
We still sell those here in Canada :) Which means that I am not at all pleased when reading that Canada is less free or a more Socialist country then the US :D
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2009, 09:04:13 AM »
Just another case of our government protecting us from our selves. I bet there will be more children injured because of the new law. I bet no child has been exposed to high levels of lead (enough to hurt them) on any ATV or motorcycle. This whole thing is BS. Dale
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 11:41:25 AM »
Government Logic?  Isn't that an oxymoron?
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 12:02:20 PM »
Government Logic?  Isn't that an oxymoron?

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 12:29:16 PM »
In my day a Honda 90 was the bike.....then the 100 came out......

So, maybe the change the rod to a shorter stroke and make it less than 100 cc?
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2009, 12:44:54 PM »
I don't think we will miss much. a 125 in a 4 stroke made my old 90 cc look like a rocket, anything under 100 cc in a 4 stroke would be completly guttless, I bwould guess the old 50 cc bikes had as much snort.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2009, 01:00:33 PM »
This is gotta be one of the stupidest things yet. This lead thing is entirely outa control
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2009, 01:58:32 PM »
In my day a Honda 90 was the bike.....then the 100 came out......

So, maybe the change the rod to a shorter stroke and make it less than 100 cc?
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