Author Topic: CVA muzzleloaders - are they safe (Read 18933 times)

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #90 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:16:44 PM »

This website seems to provide more detail:

http://cvaguncases.com/

calinb · « **Reply #91 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:28:16 PM »

Quote from: RandyWakeman on April 04, 2009, 09:16:44 PM

This website seems to provide more detail:

http://cvaguncases.com/

It's not really very informational, Randy. For whatever reason, most of the links on the page require a user/password authorization.

-Cal

bubba · « **Reply #92 on:** April 05, 2009, 01:04:13 AM »

yeah he no doubt gets a kickback from everyone who signs up to receive the tons of spam to follow. But hey an expert needs to make a living somehow.

Swampman · « **Reply #93 on:** April 05, 2009, 01:40:53 AM »

I would think saving lives is reward enough.

bubba · « **Reply #94 on:** April 05, 2009, 01:46:06 AM »

yes I am sure his one man campaign against a comapny that would not pay him for his opinion sways a lot of people. But I must say his at elast stays consistent. Yours sways with the breeze and lately you only show up after Randy posts something. Is he paying you to help him with his crussade? Now I get it.

billynwtf · « **Reply #95 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:39:40 AM »

I expected more from the King of Savage. Look it is not hard why Randy is pushing his anti-CVA agenda. CVA sells more muzzleloaders than the rest. It is not because CVA is the best one on the market. It is because most hunters are not going to buy a $500 muzzleloader to use a few days a year on some early-late muzzleloader season. The CVA shoots and looks just like the higher priced guns so they buy the CVA. Plus they can they can AFFORD the CVA. Savage is paying this guy to run down CVA because their muzzleloader sells are not like the CVA. That is business guys, but he has picked the wrong place to run down CVA. Like I said before I would just blow him off and his buddy. Let Randy blow smoke and his buddy.I will keep shooting and supporting CVA. By the way Randy what is going on with the savage court case or have you forgot about that?

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #96 on:** April 05, 2009, 08:04:27 AM »

RW: How about the Bergara barrels? Mik e Be llm says that are better than what TC puts out.

bubba · « **Reply #97 on:** April 05, 2009, 12:22:03 PM »

your answer will dpeend on if bergara will purchase his opinion

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #98 on:** April 05, 2009, 02:29:39 PM »

Quote from: bubba on April 05, 2009, 12:22:03 PM

your answer will dpeend on if bergara will purchase his opinion

knock that off! Almost made me fall out of my chair from laughing so hard.

Swampman · « **Reply #99 on:** April 05, 2009, 02:33:35 PM »

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CVA sells more muzzleloaders than the rest.

That's because most folks are only interested in the cheapest price. They know nothing about guns or muzzleloaders period.

billynwtf · « **Reply #100 on:** April 05, 2009, 02:43:40 PM »

careful now! That remington spanish made muzzleloader is real quality and their russian shotguns. How come you dont have anything to say about the remington law suits?

Spanky · « **Reply #101 on:** April 05, 2009, 02:51:02 PM »

Quote from: billynwtf on April 05, 2009, 02:43:40 PM

careful now! That remington spanish made muzzleloader is real quality and their russian shotguns. How come you dont have anything to say about the remington law suits?

The Russian made shotguns are actually pretty rugged guns... they aren't the best looking though.

Spanky

Swampman · « **Reply #102 on:** April 05, 2009, 02:54:45 PM »

The remington spanish made muzzleloader is just as bad as any spanish made muzzleloader. Thankfully Remington no longer imports Traditions products.

Spanky · « **Reply #103 on:** April 05, 2009, 02:56:31 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on April 05, 2009, 02:33:35 PM

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CVA sells more muzzleloaders than the rest.

That's because most folks are only interested in the cheapest price. They know nothing about guns or muzzleloaders period.

To tell the truth that's exactly why I bought the CVA's... I didn't know anything about muzzleloaders and wanted to try it without spending alot of money.
I still don't really shoot them that much so they are OK for me... but if I got serious about muzzleloaders I would buy something better.

Spanky

billynwtf · « **Reply #104 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:08:43 PM »

Swamp my friend you are missing the point here. You come on this site to run down CVA. You are siding with Randy who is working for Savage and is getting paid to trash talk CVA. You fail to mention the law suits about Remington or Savage. Look if you dont like CVA then I would advise you not to shoot them. This is a CVA site and the people on this site shoot and support CVA. I dont think you or Randy will ever change anyones mind about their CVA. If you are so worried about saving lives then let the world know about Remingtons lawsuits and Savage Arms. We are gonna keep shooting our CVA's. And I will also keep shooting my Remington 700's.

Swampman · « **Reply #105 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:14:06 PM »

The fellow asked a question. 2 of us answered the question truthfully. Everyone else cursed us for it.

bubba · « **Reply #106 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:17:14 PM »

Quote from: Spanky on April 05, 2009, 02:51:02 PM

Quote from: billynwtf on April 05, 2009, 02:43:40 PM
careful now! That remington spanish made muzzleloader is real quality and their russian shotguns. How come you dont have anything to say about the remington law suits?

The Russian made shotguns are actually pretty rugged guns... they aren't the best looking though.

Spanky

Hey I bought one of those russian shotguns. I think it is quite nice looking sweet wood and takes birds out of the air with either barrel left or right.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #107 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:21:08 PM »

you know whats interesting is that CVA buys their steel from all over the world, Including the USA. I bet you that all the american companies use a lot of imported steel. Todays ford chevy dodge use imported steel while surprisingly, toyta/honda actually use USA made steel.

American Made bullet shown below thats slammed by RW just because BPI owns it now.

billynwtf · « **Reply #108 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:29:48 PM »

You might have answered the question but failed to mention the other firearm lawsuits. Most of them have some kind of a law suit. You are out to make CVA unsafe and they are not. You are trying to single out CVA when other companys have gone threw the same mess. Do you remember the Remington 700 safety issue. It was on the news. Turns out most of the rifles had unsafe work done on the triggers by other people. Was that Remingtons fault? If someone overcharges a muzzleloader they are going to blow up the barrel! People get hurt because they do something stupid and dont follewthe owners manuel. Then they want to take them to court. Just think about.

billynwtf · « **Reply #109 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:31:49 PM »

Hey guys I have one of the russian shotguns too. Not running them down just trying to make a point about the cheap gun thing. My shotgun smokes also.

Spanky · « **Reply #110 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:37:47 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on April 05, 2009, 03:14:06 PM

The fellow asked a question. 2 of us answered the question truthfully. Everyone else cursed us for it.

I didn't curse anyone Swampy.
I actually like to see more than one point of view.

Spanky

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #111 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:50:18 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on April 05, 2009, 03:14:06 PM

The fellow asked a question. 2 of us answered the question truthfully. Everyone else cursed us for it.

never cursed you...wouldn't do that...just caught you contradicting yourself, and caught Wakeman quoting a preverication as part of his "evidence".

Kinda difficult to take either of you seriously after those gaffs.

Seriously Wakeman, you have be more careful or you will lose your sponser. I've noted in the writing business that once you screw up, even on behalf of your employer, you find yourself less in demand. And gaffs on the web tend to come back to your editors sooner or later. They are about as forgiving of mistakes like that as a weasel in a hen house...and then no one ever takes you seriously again.

Swampman · « **Reply #112 on:** April 05, 2009, 04:02:24 PM »

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just caught you contradicting yourself,

No you didn't.

Randy doesn't need your review. He's quite capeable of reporting the facts, as am I.

bubba · « **Reply #113 on:** April 05, 2009, 04:05:28 PM »

Hey Swampy I need your address. I am putting you in my will. When I croak I am leaving you all my cva's.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #114 on:** April 05, 2009, 04:09:28 PM »

Quote from: Cuts Crooked on March 26, 2009, 05:38:20 PM

And speaking of pointing out the obvious....

Quote from: Swampman on March 21, 2009, 04:57:06 AM
I've shot and owned several CVAs. I'd probably still own one of their traditional guns. I would not own one of their inlines ever.

Quote from: Swampman on March 26, 2009, 03:57:13 PM
I built my first muzzleloader in 1978. It was a CVA. It wouldn't hit a 4X8 sheet of plywood at 50 yards. I've owned several since then to ensure my first impression was correct.

Well now......which of the above statements is true? In one sentence he claims his CVA wouldn't hit a 4X8 sheet of plywood at 50 yards, in another he claims he'd still own one. What's wrong with this picture?

You and Randy are both getting kinda strange with yer claims now......

Here's to you Swamp.

Now make the claim that the sun rises in the west....

bubba · « **Reply #115 on:** April 05, 2009, 04:18:36 PM »

I still think about the wizard of oz with these two. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. In other words big show no go. Their minds are made up no sense confusing them with the facts. Ones mind is made up by a paycheck, the other by not being able to think for himself, which makes them both alike as far as not being able to think for themselves. Thank God for the entertainment factor here. Otherwise it would have been locked a while ago lol.

Swampman · « **Reply #116 on:** April 05, 2009, 04:23:56 PM »

I see no contradiction at all, nor do you. The hot air you produce may damage the finish on your stock. Be careful.

I state the facts. Do what you wish.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #117 on:** April 05, 2009, 05:26:10 PM »

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Seriously Wakeman, you have be more careful or you will lose your sponser. I've noted in the writing business that once you screw up, even on behalf of your employer, you find yourself less in demand. And gaffs on the web tend to come back to your editors sooner or later.
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True, Look at what happened to jim zumbo on his (terrorist rifle comment)

billynwtf · « **Reply #118 on:** April 05, 2009, 05:39:22 PM »

Swamp if you state just the facts, then lets hear about the remington facts.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #119 on:** April 05, 2009, 08:23:32 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on April 05, 2009, 04:23:56 PM

I see no contradiction at all, nor do you. The hot air you produce may damage the finish on your stock. Be careful.

I state the facts. Do what you wish.

Yeah Right! You don' see it but everyone else does...guess Swampman is always right, huh?

Quote from: bubba on April 05, 2009, 04:18:36 PM

I still think about the wizard of oz with these two. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. In other words big show no go. Their minds are made up no sense confusing them with the facts. Ones mind is made up by a paycheck, the other by not being able to think for himself, which makes them both alike as far as not being able to think for themselves. Thank God for the entertainment factor here. Otherwise it would have been locked a while ago lol.

AMAZING! Those exact thought have gone thru my head more than once in reading this thread!

Quote from: billynwtf on April 05, 2009, 05:39:22 PM

Swamp if you state just the facts, then lets hear about the remington facts.

Don' hold yer breath! He's refused to address that aspect since the outset. All he wants to do is run down CVA, when he remembers to do it right...and not make the claim that he'd probably still own a gun that can't hit a 4'X8' sheet at fifty yards.

Swamp and Remington can do no wrong! Don't believe it? Just ask him!

Gang it's become increasingly obvious that Swamp is only involved for the entertainment value, he refuses to even discuss anything that remotely resembles facts or anything that shows that his vendetta is based on things that even his beloved Remington has done. ya'll can continue to feed the troll if ya want. I think we should let it starve though. There's enough info here to allow anyone who reads through to see the reality behind Swamp and Wakemans program.