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National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training
« on: February 21, 2009, 07:46:43 AM »
National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training

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Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April

By BUTCH HEMAN
Staff Writer



The Carroll National Guard unit will train on urban military operations by holding a four-day exercise at Arcadia.

The purpose of the April 2-5 drill will be to gather intelligence, then search for and apprehend a suspected weapons dealer, according to Sgt. Mike Kots, readiness NCO for Alpha Company.

Citizens, law enforcement, media and other supporters will participate.

Troops will spend Thursday, April 2, staging at a forward operations base at Carroll. The next day company leaders will conduct reconnaissance and begin patrolling the streets of Arcadia to identify possible locations of the weapons dealer.

The primary phase will be done Saturday, April 4, when convoys will be deployed from Carroll to Arcadia. Pictures of the arms dealer will be shown in Arcadia, and soldiers will go door to door asking if residents have seen the suspect.

Soldiers will knock only at households that have agreed to participate in the drill, Kots noted.

"Once credible intelligence has been gathered," said Kots, "portions of the town will be road-blocked and more in-depth searches of homes and vehicles will be conducted in accordance with the residents' wishes.

"One of the techniques we use in today's political environment is cordon and knock," Kots explained. "We ask for the head of the household, get permission to search, then have them open doors and cupboards. The homeowner maintains control. We peer over their shoulder, and the soldier uses the homeowner's body language and position to protect him."

During this phase of the operation, troops will interact with residents and media while implementing crowd-control measures and possibly treating and evacuating injured persons.

The unit will use a Blackhawk helicopter for overhead command and control, and to simulate medevacs.

The drill will culminate in the apprehension of the suspected arms dealer.

Alpha Company will conduct a review of the drill on Sunday, April 5.

A meeting to give residents more information and accept volunteers will be held 7 p.m. Monday, March 2, in the Arcadia American Legion hall.

Kots said the exercise will replace Alpha Company's weekend drill for April.

"We have a lot of extended drills this coming year," he added.

In addition to surveillance, searching and apprehension, the exercise will also give the troops valuable experience in stability, support, patrol, traffic control, vehicle searches and other skills needed for deployment in an urban environment.

"This exercise will improve the real-life operational skills of the unit," said Kots. "And it will hopefully improve the public's understanding of military operations."

The pre-drill work with residents is as important at the drill itself.

"It will be important for us to gain the trust and confidence of the residents of Arcadia," said Kots. "We will need to identify individuals that are willing to assist us in training by allowing us to search their homes and vehicles and to participate in role-playing."

"We really want to get as much information out there as possible, because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia." 
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Re: National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 08:07:35 AM »
Evidently it was cancelled.  But... the scary part is that the exercise was to look for "firearms dealers".  I guess we've been put on notice!


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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 08:14:46 AM »
Evidently it was cancelled.  But... the scary part is that the exercise was to look for "firearms dealers".  I guess we've been put on notice!


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I think they are looking for illegal weapons dealers. If that is the case I am all for it because these are the people putting guns in crimanals hands. Dale
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Re: National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2009, 10:07:44 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 11:24:09 AM »

I could agree with wanting to see illegal arms dealers dealt with, but not with the military closing off a small town and conducting door to door searches and searching vehicles of citizens.
For one, using the military in any sort of domestic situation is unconstitutional.
Second, If this is allowed for illegal arms dealers, what is next??  Pot dealers? Felony warrants?  Misdemeanor warrants?  Traffic tickets?

Using the military as a policing force can be seen in wonderful countries like Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, China, and Cuba.

No thanks.  Leave the American military on the foreign battlefields where they can do what they are designed to do.
When we have the military operating on US soil, we have come to the end of the road for America as we have known it.

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Re: National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 11:54:36 AM »
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Using the military as a policing force can be seen in wonderful countries like Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, China, and Cuba.

No thanks.  Leave the American military on the foreign battlefields where they can do what they are designed to do.
When we have the military operating on US soil, we have come to the end of the road for America as we have known it


I could agree with wanting to see illegal arms dealers dealt with, but not with the military closing off a small town and conducting door to door searches and searching vehicles of citizens.
For one, using the military in any sort of domestic situation is unconstitutional.
Second, If this is allowed for illegal arms dealers, what is next??  Pot dealers? Felony warrants?  Misdemeanor warrants?  Traffic tickets?

Using the military as a policing force can be seen in wonderful countries like Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, China, and Cuba.

No thanks.  Leave the American military on the foreign battlefields where they can do what they are designed to do.
When we have the military operating on US soil, we have come to the end of the road for America as we have known it.

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Re: National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 12:11:28 PM »
Evidently it was cancelled.  But... the scary part is that the exercise was to look for "firearms dealers".  I guess we've been put on notice!


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I think they are looking for illegal weapons dealers. If that is the case I am all for it because these are the people putting guns in crimanals hands. Dale
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Re: National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 12:51:49 PM »
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I think they are looking for illegal weapons dealers. If that is the case I am all for it because these are the people putting guns in crimanals hands. Dale

How about using your head for something besides holding up that ball cap Dale. Get a clue man you are sounding more like an anti gunner every day. With every new post you make it is clear your wife has converted you to the wrong side of the issues.

This is not about illegal gun dealers it is about getting the public used to seeing the military doing police duty in the US so they can be prepared to not raise objections when the time comes for real for them to come after all our guns and yes they WILL BE COMING.


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Re: National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2009, 01:09:22 PM »
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I think they are looking for illegal weapons dealers. If that is the case I am all for it because these are the people putting guns in crimanals hands. Dale

How about using your head for something besides holding up that ball cap Dale. Get a clue man you are sounding more like an anti gunner every day. With every new post you make it is clear your wife has converted you to the wrong side of the issues.

This is not about illegal gun dealers it is about getting the public used to seeing the military doing police duty in the US so they can be prepared to not raise objections when the time comes for real for them to come after all our guns and yes they WILL BE COMING.

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Re: National Guard to conduct gun confiscation training
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2009, 01:42:09 PM »
Evidently it was cancelled.  But... the scary part is that the exercise was to look for "firearms dealers".  I guess we've been put on notice!


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I think they are looking for illegal weapons dealers. If that is the case I am all for it because these are the people putting guns in crimanals hands. Dale

So your ok with military units enforcing Federal Law on American Citizen's? Is that what your saying? How will you feel when they are patrolling your streets, and enforcing curfews?
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2009, 04:37:03 PM »
Yes sir thats the scary thing...the military doing police work...

Now if they want to use them to attack the Drug Lords and killers on the borders ...well lets get it on and over with.

The time is very near, and in some places it is now time for the military to defend where the local Sheriffs are way undergunned and under manned. It will take the firepower and weapns of our military to protect our cities and citizens on the border.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2009, 04:45:06 PM »
Yes sir thats the scary thing...the military doing police work...

Now if they want to use them to attack the Drug Lords and killers on the borders ...well lets get it on and over with.

The time is very near, and in some places it is now time for the military to defend where the local Sheriffs are way undergunned and under manned. It will take the firepower and weapns of our military to protect our cities and citizens on the border.

JMO

Well that's damn sure what they are wanting you to believe. They are selling it with everything they have and it seems some here are buying into it. They are merely trying to desensitize you prior to the real push to take ALL OUR FREEDOMS AWAY.


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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2009, 04:51:50 PM »
Evidently it was cancelled.  But... the scary part is that the exercise was to look for "firearms dealers".  I guess we've been put on notice!


ngh
I think they are looking for illegal weapons dealers. If that is the case I am all for it because these are the people putting guns in crimanals hands. Dale


one day soon
if the democrats aren't run out soon
we will  all  be  ''illegal'' gun owners
besides why is our military used  against  US......not  on our borders
the  old ''war on drugs''  will  be the ''war on guns''

dale  i must agree  with greybeard
you are  sounding  like a democrat lately
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2009, 05:07:51 PM »
These are very smart people we are dealing with here. They dont want to take all our freedoms away, they just want the ones we could use to stop them like freedom of speech and  right to bear arms.

They need us to keep doing what we do work and pay taxes so they can support their constitunacy. and reward them for their support. What do you think will happen when the Nat guard starts confiscating firearms and has to shoot people like they grew up with at home and knew before! It may get sticky then huh?
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2009, 05:08:59 PM »
GB I cannot argue with your point..like I said it is scary as heck to me.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2009, 05:15:09 PM »
When my mother was a schoolgirl in Nazi Germany, her class was given the assignment of doing a family tree .  The day after it was turned in, all the kids who had Jews in their backgrounds disappeared, along with their families.  If the government is going to do something that you agree with, like train how to find illegal (fill in the blank) be afraid, be very afraid.

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2009, 05:24:02 PM »
Hate to jump right back...

Oldshooter to the point you make....It is the one hope I believe will save us. American soldiers will not turn the guns on the civilian populations. They might have a few but their fellow soldiers will kill them if they do.

I will never believe that our soldiers will ever do that. I believe that it was mentioned before that some believe NATO Troops will be the ones that will.

That will never happen either We will never let any force from Nato or another country of any size within our borders. Our defeat as a Nation will be our leftist leaders that lead us into total economic collapse.

Oldtimer.... the collection of data not absolutely needed by the Federal or State Governments such as Firearms registration are a great danger to us all if ever it was the desire to control the population. Thats why it is so important to all to oppose any and all such measures no matter what the so called interest of safety or whatever. Just look at the dangers that are hidden in the so called Digitizing of all medical records. Sounds good..instant knowledge of the doctors treating you of all you and your families medical history. There are many reasons to object to this it can easily be abused.

Just my 2 cents

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2009, 05:30:24 PM »
You folks better be listening to folks like GB. He knows what he is talking about here!!!! The time is comming when the Dems real agenda will be in the open. THEY ARE SOCIALIST ELITEIST!!!  Having the military police us is against the Constitution in the first place, I believe. This would be the first step toward losing all our rights.
Way back in grade school we had a teacher that stated that the U.S. would fall, not to an outside force, but from within. People back then thought he was a crackpot, but I think he may have been onto something. These are the most dangerest times this country has seen since the Revolutionary War.
The other thing these exercises accomplish is to get our troops used to searching their nieghbors.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2009, 05:35:30 PM »
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

How soon we forget. The National Guard has shot and killed civilians in the past, not that long ago, in this country.

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2009, 05:43:39 PM »
 Tin soldiers and nixon's coming 4 dead in Ohio................... yea i remember when it happened.

Unfortunately we may see what comes to pass when they come against their families and friends

People tried to warn that this guy was a radical leftist and no one listened!
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2009, 05:44:18 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2009, 05:50:04 PM »
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Oldshooter to the point you make....It is the one hope I believe will save us. American soldiers will not turn the guns on the civilian populations. They might have a few but their fellow soldiers will kill them if they do.

Sadly you are just plain wrong. They will shoot and they will kill US Citizens and at the end of the day will laugh and joke and talk about those stupid folks that thought they could stand up to them. Oh sure some few might refuse but they will be put down or in jail so fast they'll hardly know what happened.

They are right now today being trained and selected specifically for their willingness to do just that and believe it or not when the time comes they will kill you without a seond thought.


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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2009, 05:57:42 PM »
Well I believe you are wrong and I hope that I am right about it. If it comes to it I am old and my body is broken but I have not lost my will to fight nor my ability to do just that.

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2009, 05:58:05 PM »
There are also many small and large town police officers that WILL ENFORCE gun laws if passed. I know some of them, and they have said they would.
They are stupidly clueless in realizing that when they themselves are know longer police officers, THEIR GUNS WILL BE TAKEN.
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2009, 05:59:04 PM »
Well GB you may well be right, and if so it will be a good time to see the Streets of Gold.

I only hope i'm one of the first, so I dont have to see my children suffer at the hands of whats left of this country.
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2009, 06:01:24 PM »
The ignorant and stupid local police that think they are some kind of god now, yep thats the ones to fear.

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2009, 06:47:47 PM »
Guys, I know that this has a lot of our tempers and suspicions raging, but look at it this way.  What better chance would a community have, to gather intelligence on the military manuevers and how a search is conducted.  Seriously, take notes, observe, share information. Because the day may come when knowledge such as that may prove invaluable. 

That being said, I think they making practice of illegal arms smugglers dealing in fully auto ak's, tech 9's, m16's ect, RPG's, even nukes and helicopters.  Keep an open and observant mind out.

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No thanks.  Leave the American military on the foreign battlefields where they can do what they are designed to do.

I'm sorry, but our boys are trained to combat enemies both foriegn and domestic. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2009, 03:04:24 AM »
Graybeard is exactly right!!
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2009, 06:12:16 AM »
I agree with Graybeard.

As far as the National Guard not firing on civilians? Anyone here remember Kent State? There are plenty of people in the National Guard and on police forces that would gladly take your guns. Anyway that they have to.

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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2009, 03:22:40 PM »
the years  of the war  on drugs
has gotten MANY  americans to be accepting
of the government kicking in doors  and taken  lots  of money  to send cops  under cover
guns  will be the contraban  in  a generation
i  don't think  we have any immediate fear
they  need  to tighten  the noose slower than  you think
but  it is tightening........

we   just got a little break during  the bush years
but never let our guard down
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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