patriots

[slim rem 7]

 well ive looked an looked an can t find organized gun owners group with goals similar to mine.. im an patriot with the word having the meaning it did when the boys nearly froze to death at valley forge..
 im trying to be lawbiding .. but believe this country is for the free people.. free to pursue thier own happiness ,with these freedoms guaranteed to all.. not because govt allows it but as the constitution says... it is an unalienable right..sorry about the spelling .
 in the future i see a possible need for unity of people who understand that these rights are only assured to an armed people..
  the people im looking for are wise enough to know the possible cost of this patriotism..anybody can be persuaded thru possibly seeing thier families suffer because they won t give in to corruptions pressure..but mabe theres some thats thought it thru an decided to pay even that price,to remain free.please no loose cannons ,hot heads etc as this is serious and needs to involve freedom loveing level headed patriots ..these the only ones can see this thru to the end..if this group exist ,somebody let me know.. otherwise im starting a little fraternity myself here.marks 13822@cs.com
 the 200.+ milion long guns owners in this country are powerless unless united in the same patriotic cause the founding fathers were..
 even then only a small percentage paid the big price for freedom.
 im not talking rebellion.. im talking resisting absolute controll
 govt of any sort..as ben f. said tears ago ..the easiest way to enslave or dominate a people is to disarm them..slim..
p.s. please somebody tell me the group already exist..don t say the nra unless you can tell me of an plan of resistence the nra has in place ,should it be called for.. as far as i can see they would tell us to abide by a law to turn in our guns ,,when that law comes to be.. i didn t say if..
also beware of the tactic of making it so the haves are the only ones can afford to own a gun..i may get cut off by hackers here so if interested write dn my email and pass it to anyone else interested..
 

[slim rem 7]

  i might add .. i urge any one who feels similar to myself to start your on little cell or whatever ,so we might possible form an unified front if need be in the future.. beware possible trolls who would just want to keep an eye on us for whatever reason..thier past tells onum most of the time.. but be slow in judgement.slim

[Graybeard]

There are various militia groups scattered around the country most of which at least in concept are what you are looking for. Such always attract a lunatic fringe element tho and some are in fact controlled by that fringe.

Be aware that merely posting this request here most likely already has added you to the FBI terrorist watch list. But then I suspect most all us gunonwers are already on that list anyway or certainly will be soon.

Any such needs to be very localized but all should be tied into a larger national organization to really do what is needed when/if the time comes. To my knowledge there is no such national organization at this time and if there is then it's being kept quite secretive.

Once upon a time I knew folks locally who could have been counted on should the need arrive but sadly most of those folks and all those I was closest to and trusted most are now dead. Within five miles of me I don't know a single person I'd trust in such a situation and in fact the vast majority I have no doubt would turn against me in a heart beat. Hell my next door neighbor calls the cops on me constantly and last time I was out using the JD to recontour the land behind my barn she was out taking photos of me to document my actions. She's a real nutcase and for some reason which I have no clue about she has it in for me big time.

I'd truly love to live in a relatively remote small settlement in which only trusted friends lived who could be trusted to do what was needed when the time comes but sadly do not. This country has already gone to hell in a handbasket and the time for reckoning is drawing near.

[Dee]

Well slim, I too look for these types of folks to hang with and wait. Thru my past profession I learned long ago, that the loudest, and most constant barking dog is usually the most scared dog in the yard. I will not align with rambos, and as you say loose cannons.
Maybe something will jell.

[slim rem 7]

 you havy sympathies as to the neighbor.. unless she might just have a crush on you an a strange way of showing it.. im aware that in asking what im asking for,im gonna get attention i dont want.. but im not giving up .. my dream is an bunch of small groups called simply patriots
 loosely connected but all over this united states.. traitors there will be plenty.. suffering plenty to go around..the price has to be paid again ,,possibly in a way we havn t seen since 1770s..
 so any thinking about my post need understand.. the worst would be for the population to fold into ultimate total control by govt.
 the best possibly something similar to whats happening between the IRA and the british..altho the causes seem to be very different..
 one other difference.,the irish didn t start out being the most heavily armed citizenry in the worlds history..enough preparation now
 and it could make a huge difference in the future..
greybeard ..thank you so much ,patriot, for allowing my post. i realize its possible ramifications for you..slim

[Cabin4]

Unfortuniatly we have become a nation controlled by the lowest forms of life in the unwashed masses, the main stream media and the Hollywood glamour crowd. Look at nearly every major issue this country faces and you will find one of these 3 crowds in control of the issue. They all are able to influence you and or controll your life in a large way. There's almost no way to escape it anymore.

The concept of living your life the way you see fit is gone forever. Starting with the public school system, your life is now controlled and or significantly influenced by forces far outside your control. The only thing you can do is to try and completly diconnect from it all. But remember the Branch Dividians, Randy Weaver (Ruby Ridge) , The Freemen and other similar groups??? The federal government made sure they all paid a heavy price for trying to disconnect.

Very sad and it's only going to get worse becasue...

[S.S.]

organization draws interest that is unwanted. The more loose nit groups are,
the harder they are to track. Lone wolf tactics have always been the
most effective anyway. One lone wolf can create a lot of copy-cats once they
see someone else do what they were wanting to do in the first place.
This is called leaderless resistance. If you are acting alone, no one else
can have loose lips that get you caught. I know many who I would still call Patriots.
The ones I know actually cross racial line too, this is rare. You may think I am
crazy on this, but some of the fiercist are latino who are now American citizens.
They know what it is like to be from a real S***- Hole and I think they
will get real crazy if they start to loose what they now have. You may
have far more allies than you think if the SHTF.

[slim rem 7]

 im not talking an illegal organization of any kind..
im talkin law biding people who will be a part of an
 action against traitors who try to disarm these united states..
  i wish what you said worked and it could if folks all over acted in
 in a coordinated effort to thro the enemy on his butt. but to try the one guy working by himself, just costitutes criminal acts of an horrific type by one guy who no one even knows he has a cause..this
   just an easy way out, doing the hard thing which is standing up for our rights in public.. an possibly having an covert plan should the enemy achieve his goal .... i fully expect it to be done in little stages ..thats why the nra has fought  any control..but people gotta take ownership of this cause .. sooner or latter some will do something like what im talking about.. the sooner the better ,,if its too late when they try ..it just may be too late.. but it dang sure aint too late now.. slim

[Graybeard]

You need to stop believing the NRA is your friend they are really not. They compromise and giveaway our rights one by one just as the plan calls for all the while pretending to be our friend. So long as they convince folks they are on our side folks keep sending them more money to make still more compromises of our rights. A hard line stance of NO MORE is the only course that will maintain a FREE AMERICA.

[Dee]

GB, on the NRA you indeed correct. Every year they spend MILLIONS, mailing out brochures selling everything from insurance to credit cards. If they spent that same money on fighting for our rights as gun owners, they would not need to send out MILLIONS of dollars in propaganda stating that they NEED MORE MONEY.
They have become PART OF THE GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM. They are the LESSOR OF TWO EVILS, in many ways, and are in the mean time furnishing limos, and dinners for the politicians while at the same time going on OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE hunting trips so that we can READ ABOUT THEM, in the magazines they publish for ADVERTISING GUN COMPANIES and TRINKETS.
This 2nd Amendment issue is and really always has been an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. The Government did not AWARD IT to anyone, as they do not have the authority UNLESS the individual GIVES IT TO THEM. This is a God given right. Even Christ told his deciples to purchase swords for their protection in their ministries. Everyone needs to make the decision of whether they are going to give up their guns if demanded to do so, and not leave everything up to an organization that you are paying to say no FOR YOU.
I make my own decisions, not the NRA, and I have to be willing to stand by those decisions on my own. The NRA will not be there if the government rides up on your porch. You will be on your own. You really always have been. The NRA is a compromiser, and they have compromised much at your expense.
Common sense USED TO DICTATE, that if your neighbors barn is on fire, you had better grab a bucket. Next time it might be your barn. JMO

[Cabin4]

I think you guys are bit to hard on the NRA. They clearly have done a lot of grass roots level work to protect the 2nd amendment. The NRA is consistantly ranked as one of the best run, most effecient and effective lobbying groups in the WORLD.

There are other groups out there that do great work to protect the 2nd amendment. As a gun owner and someone who beleives in the 2nd amendment, you should support those organizations you agree with. It does not have to be the NRA but it should be one or more of them you follow and support.

[nater762]

Unfortuniatly we have become a nation controlled by the lowest forms of life in the unwashed masses, the main stream media and the Hollywood glamour crowd.

This being the case. Our current situation is even worse then what our forefathers faced. The British (then) weren't amoral scum.

[Badnews Bob]

I don't want to step outside of the the law, and what slim is talking about isn't. But when the powers that be start changeing that to suit them, I may very well become an outlaw to at least try to protect my freedoms. Almost thirty years ago I took an oath to do just that, That oath has not expired.

[Cabin4]

I don't want to step outside of the the law, and what slim is talking about isn't. But when the powers that be start changeing that to suit them, I may very well become an outlaw to at least try to protect my freedoms. Almost thirty years ago I took an oath to do just that, That oath has not expired.

Politicians take an oath of office and violate that oath every day. The only problem is that our constitution enables them to propose violations to tat very oath in the form of new laws. Laws that once enacted may violate your rights. Its a vicious circle and one of the only few flaws with our constituion.

The Liberals are destroying our country and the entire concept of why people originally came here from Europe.

[Badnews Bob]

Yes and thats the diffrence between me and a polititcian, I'll keep my word.

[Graybeard]

Its a vicious circle and one of the only few flaws with our constituion.

Actually the single flaw in the Constitution was allowing a means whereby to amend it. Had it been left exactly as written with the bill of rights added to it and then never ever again allowed to be touched we'd not be in the shape we are today.

Back then only land owners had the right to vote. It still should be that way in all honestly. Allowing any and everyone to vote including those who want to be on the dole is why we're in this mess now. If only land/property owners could vote do you really think we'd have the low life scum in DC we have now? Not a chance.

[WylieKy]

I'd truly love to live in a relatively remote small settlement in which only trusted friends lived who could be trusted to do what was needed when the time comes but sadly do not. This country has already gone to hell in a handbasket and the time for reckoning is drawing near.

Let's start a GOB commune! Half-joke/half-serious.  It might make sense to set up a...rally point.  That way if the SHTF like minded individuals could meet up and protect our own.  The only problem that I see, and it is a big one, is that if WE know where to meet, THEY know where to find us.  However, in the early days we could meet up then move on.  I now live in suburbia, and have few around other than family that I  1. Trust with a gun and 2. Trust with my life.  Sad state of affairs, folks.  A single family, unless VERY well trained, supplied, and warned had little chance of making it.  10 familys with the right set of skill sets could do it.

[Cabin4]

Its a vicious circle and one of the only few flaws with our constituion.

Actually the single flaw in the Constitution was allowing a means whereby to amend it. Had it been left exactly as written with the bill of rights added to it and then never ever again allowed to be touched we'd not be in the shape we are today.

Back then only land owners had the right to vote. It still should be that way in all honestly. Allowing any and everyone to vote including those who want to be on the dole is why we're in this mess now. If only land/property owners could vote do you really think we'd have the low life scum in DC we have now? Not a chance.

I certainly will not disagree with any of that.

[Cabin4]

I'd truly love to live in a relatively remote small settlement in which only trusted friends lived who could be trusted to do what was needed when the time comes but sadly do not. This country has already gone to hell in a handbasket and the time for reckoning is drawing near.

Let's start a GOB commune! Half-joke/half-serious.  It might make sense to set up a...rally point.  That way if the SHTF like minded individuals could meet up and protect our own.  The only problem that I see, and it is a big one, is that if WE know where to meet, THEY know where to find us.  However, in the early days we could meet up then move on.  I now live in suburbia, and have few around other than family that I  1. Trust with a gun and 2. Trust with my life.  Sad state of affairs, folks.  A single family, unless VERY well trained, supplied, and warned had little chance of making it.  10 familys with the right set of skill sets could do it.

I want to do what Randy Weaver did. He went to Idaho so he and his family could get away from all the BS.

[Graybeard]

Have you asked Randy how that worked out for him? 

[Westbound]

Every day I listen to talk radio and watch the news.  It makes me sick to see this country being pulled apart.  Day by day, our rights are being systematically removed, and we just go with it.  Lemmings marching toward the cliff.  We don't see what's happening because too many are blinded and distracted by our credit card debt, and our desires for a bigger TV or a nicer car.
It makes me want to scream out, but it will be one voice yelling into a hurricane wind.
A grassroots movement to set a fire to sweep across the country?  I'm in.

Reasonable, but firm is the ticket.  We only stand to hold what is ours.
While not entirely possible, the lunatic fringe should be kept out.  Radicals only draw negative attention and lend to discredit an entire organization.

[slim rem 7]

  good points by all.. i would encourage state by state an effort by gunowners to
 get to know each other , and unite in a common cause.. lets try an wake the sleeping gun owners up.. they just people who use guns an don t even think of the possibility that big brothers looking to take them away from them.. but like greybeard has said.. right to bear arms is not an hunting isue..its an individual rights [not gov given privilidge] issue.. i believe dee said something to that affect also..
 now past is past
  this the seed .. you are the culture it is planted in..if you are an ancester of an soldier who s died for this country..if you love your family. . if you understand that individual freedom is a inalienable right,an not a priviledge doled out by big govt... if you understand that an armed public,, so committed to that freedom that they will not comprimise an inch on the rights,, our forefathers had the wisdom to gurantee in our constitution....
then its an call to action..weve been enjoying freedom a long time and its
 our turn..lets get to know each other in a common cause ..lets keep it very simple as to our goal.. absolute non infringement on the right to bear arms..
.. many have other ideas of merit.. but we got to keep this simple in order to be united . no further infingement or gov t control on our right to arms will  be
accepted as law..
 now talks talk, an achieves something but action to form local patriot groups dedicated to our constitution,as it stands,is whats needed.. now with respect to naysayers i l add this.. every great achievement or achiever,has had naysayers explaining to them,all along the way, why they couldn t do something..
 god willing you can make a difference right now..you call your fellow gun owners and talk about it.. thow out the naysayers opinions except any wisdom you might glean from what they say ,and join up with the one or two committed enuff to freedom to become part of an group that might one day be called on to defend the constitution as it stands..the seed is there brother.. it doesnt depend on me or anyone else ..it depends on doers not those just willing to talk about how bad it is now..man its destined to get so bad,, what we have now would be called radical free..so think about it [not to long] . then get on the phone an find somebody willing to listen to what you have to say in your area..
sorry for the long post. yall have a good night ,got to pull that graveyard tonite
 slim

[torpedoman]

 my family has fought for this country in every war it has had  from the revolution on down. I made the military a career ( It sure wasn't for the money). I have no intention of seeing it go to hell now.

[Cabin4]

Have you asked Randy how that worked out for him? 

The problem Weaver had was evil socialist pigs in the federal government decided they were going to target him in a massive set-up. Weaver did make a few mistakes which helped "fuel" the issues. I have no plans or desires to get involved in the same mistakes that Weaver made. Lacking this aspect, there's nothing wrong with what Weaver did and why he did it. The Randy Weaver story is a very interesting one and I can totally relate to why he made some of the decisions he did. There are many people that live the way Weaver lives then and today. Nothing wrong with it at all. You just have to be willing to sacrifice some things.

[slim rem 7]

 amen torpedoman.. he said it didn t he.. i say getter done fellas..
  ons step [call] at a time.. didn t you ever wonder how it felt to some of the heros of our nations past ,,to be involved in something more important than self..something you be willing to put more into than you ever thought yourself capable of .. good time, good place,anythings possible to the one who don t quit...slim

[Cabin4]

http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/

Interesting site. Its called Revolution, Fuel for the Fire!

[slim rem 7]

 im gonna slip this in before i go to work.. if hate for liberals is your motivation.. let me advise you to get into this thing because you love this people an this country..love is much stronger than hate in an united people. hate just leads to defeat .. altho i understand your frustration.. most of us ,i think feel it at some time or another ,when cnn is reporting whats suppose to be unbiased news..
 but let us be about positive in our  effort for our goals..
 later on it may call for tireless effort ,if the seed is planted in fertile grnd..

[Cabin4]

My hate is not for Liberals it for the Liberal movement. Its eroding our freedoms and moving us to a conforming society that disrespects individual freedoms. This movement is driven by the most evil intent of all, the desire to control people's desires and wishes.

We have to call it like it is. I think there are many young folks that visit this site and they may not understand the political environment out there. My hope is they read some of this and it will enable them to start putting the pieces of the life puzzle together.

[Graybeard]

Have you asked Randy how that worked out for him? 

The problem Weaver had was evil socialist pigs in the federal government decided they were going to target him in a massive set-up. Weaver did make a few mistakes which helped "fuel" the issues. I have no plans or desires to get involved in the same mistakes that Weaver made. Lacking this aspect, there's nothing wrong with what Weaver did and why he did it. The Randy Weaver story is a very interesting one and I can totally relate to why he made some of the decisions he did. There are many people that live the way Weaver lives then and today. Nothing wrong with it at all. You just have to be willing to sacrifice some things.

And don't forget when that undercover fed asks you to saw those shotgun barrels off too short don't agree to it. 

[Oldshooter]

Whats going on in this country right now is what we call boiling the frog. You cant throw him in a pot of boiling water he will jump out, but you can put him in a pot of room temperature water and steadily turn up the heat little by little degree by degree until before he realizes it he is cooked.

It's whats happened to this country politically, and its seems to be what has and is happening to the second amendment. They are not gonna wake up one day and say OK  "no guns allowed". Its gonna be a tax here, a law there a ban here and so on and so forth until your gonna wake up one day and you cant get a new gun for whatever reason and you cant find ammo, if you do find it you wont be able to afford the tax on it. When that happens there will be so few people that have a weapon it will be easy to isolate them and  deal with them.

People have been so disenfranchised by the corruption that they just dont wanna be bothered by the BS anymore. it makes it easy for the politicians to get where they want to be. "We" have let "things" happen in this country that are detrimental to our well being not because we dont care, but because we "thought" somebody else was taking care of business. Have you ever noticed that competant and capable people dont do the political thing and if they do (Duke Cunningham) they end up corrupt and incompetant. The days of statesmen and patriots in government are sadly over from everything I can tell. IT Seems that all they do is boil the frog, either from greed for money or power and in the meantime the  country is disintegrating into a "What the country can do for me " socialist state! This country wont be destroyed by a foreign army it will be taken down from within. Then "someone" will come along and take it away from us like we did  to the previous occupants.