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22 hornet resizing die too small?
« on: February 22, 2009, 12:13:54 PM »
This being my first reloading of a bottleneck cartridge, I am not sure things are going well.

Things were going well untill I seated the bullet, the case bulges quite a bit and some even appear to be off center.
I know some bulge, my 357 max with a .358 bullet for example, but these look extreme.

Iam loading these with Nosler 40 gr spitzer bullets(.224")

I used Lee dies to full length resize. Inside of neck measures .215" after resizing, this seems a bit extreme to me.

Am I doing something wrong, or is this normal or do I have bad set of dies or wrong dies. Resize die is marked 22 H-13, Lee set number 90500.

I tried a .35 gr V-max and it seated it completely off center.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.                                        Thanks TC
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2009, 12:27:26 PM »
"I used Lee dies to full length resize. Inside of neck measures .215" after resizing, this seems a bit extreme to me."

You are right, that's too small, normal would be about .221"-.223".  What is the diameter of the expander in the sizer die you're using?
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2009, 12:36:46 PM »
It doesn,t have a expander die, It has 3 dies, deprimer-sizer die, bullet seater die and factory crimp die.

My pistol dies have a seperate expander (flaring die) but was not sure if rifle cases were flared or not since it didn't have one.
I bought these used and don't know much about them.

Boy, do I feel stupid.

I didn't  know the the expander was on the deprime pin, which I removed because I use a universal  deprimer die before cleaning.

Am I correct that this sizes the neck?
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2009, 12:57:43 PM »
Rifle dies are different then pistol dies. "belling" the case mouth is generally not done on CF rifle cases. Sans straighter walled calibers like 38-55, 444 and 45-70.

 If you removed the decapping pin, then yes you may have caused this problem your self. There is an expander button on that stem just above the decapping pin that opens up the mouth to the correct diameter.

BTW< If by chance this is the die set you got from me and it turns out to be faulty I will fully refund you dollars. Dont worry about that for one minute!! Keep me informed, I never used them, so I do not know how or even if they worked.

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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2009, 01:08:23 PM »
CW, I don't think the dies are the problem.
 The problem it seems is the DUMB A%$ operator.

As I stated previous post, I removed the de-prime pin not realizing that it is the case mouth expander. I use a universal decapper before cleaning.

I just put the pin back in and resized again, inside case mouth is now about .220".

Bullets should seat better now, will see.
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2009, 01:09:06 PM »
Quote from: cwlongshot on February 22, 2009, 12:57:43 PM
Rifle dies are different then pistol dies. "belling" the case mouth is generally not done on CF rifle cases. Sans straighter walled calibers like 38-55, 444 and 45-70.

 If you removed the decapping pin, then yes you may have caused this problem your self. There is an expander button on that stem just above the decapping pin that opens up the mouth to the correct diameter.

BTW< If by chance this is the die set you got from me and it turns out to be faulty I will fully refund you dollars. Dont worry about that for one minute!! Keep me informed, I never used them, so I do not know how or even if they worked.

CW

CW ???
If you remove the decapping pin,
doesn't the expander button stay on the stem?
I have removed most of my decapping pins
since I use a universal decapper on a different press.
Please edumacate me here ???
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2009, 01:21:20 PM »
gamehauler, On Lee dies the the decapping pin is all one piece with the expander being a bell in the middle of the pin.
At least it is on mine, don't know about others. It is not  like my pistol dies.

Loading rifle cases is all new to me, I'm learning (slowly).
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2009, 02:13:06 PM »
Mike

RCBS and most of the others have a removable pin that comes out of the expander ball , were as the Lee dies have a one peice pin and expander .

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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 02:28:54 PM »
tc scout

Had the same problem and solved it two ways; one is I neck size with Redding bushing dies so there is .002" neck tension.  The other is to get a Lyman short M-die. This expands the inside of the case mouth and will bell it. 

The use of the M-die serves two purposes; it expands the inside of the case neck to the right diameter so the bullets seat straight. Second it allows the bullets to be slightly inserted into the belled part of the neck which alleviates the crushing of cases during seating.  In the end the Redding Bushing die to just neck size and the M-die are the way to go.  Some find equal satisfaction with a Lee Collet die and the M-die.

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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2009, 03:05:44 PM »
I don't load the Hornet, but is that cartridge not a 0.223 bullet? Did you say that you were loading 0.224 projectiles? I may have missed something, I often do.
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2009, 03:09:01 PM »
My bad, it's .224"
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2009, 03:48:21 PM »
"The problem it seems is the DUMB A%$ operator."

Golly gee, TC!  The rest of us were born reloading experts!    (NOT!  ;)  )

If you're measuring that .220" neck ID with a dial caliper it's probably closer to .222", you should be good to go now.
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2009, 12:47:44 AM »
Quote from: GameHauler on February 22, 2009, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: cwlongshot on February 22, 2009, 12:57:43 PM
Rifle dies are different then pistol dies. "belling" the case mouth is generally not done on CF rifle cases. Sans straighter walled calibers like 38-55, 444 and 45-70.

 If you removed the decapping pin, then yes you may have caused this problem your self. There is an expander button on that stem just above the decapping pin that opens up the mouth to the correct diameter.

BTW< If by chance this is the die set you got from me and it turns out to be faulty I will fully refund you dollars. Dont worry about that for one minute!! Keep me informed, I never used them, so I do not know how or even if they worked.

CW

CW ???
If you remove the decapping pin,
doesn't the expander button stay on the stem?
I have removed most of my decapping pins
since I use a universal decapper on a different press.
Please edumacate me here ???
mike
Mike,
 Stimpy gave ot to you straight. But You are correct in your knoledge. I SHOULD have written STEM as it is generally how dies are built.  As usual, Lee is a bit "different".  ::)

Michadian,
 Technically you are correct as well. Origional Hornets WHERE using .223 dia bullets. Some time after 1930 when the hornet was commercially loaded it made the transformation to a .224 bullet.

CW
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2009, 02:14:33 AM »
CW,
Thank you for the info. (I'm almost that old and so are some of my loading manuals).
Michadian
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2009, 02:17:23 AM »
 Stimpy gave ot to you straight. But You are correct in your knoledge. I SHOULD have written STEM as it is generally how dies are built.  As usual, Lee is a bit "different".  Roll Eyes

That reminds me, need to order some more decapping pins for my Redding dies------------ ::)
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Re: 22 hornet resizing die too small?
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2009, 02:45:49 AM »
Well, I have learned  alot from this thread, Thanks to all for your help.  ;)

                                                                                       TC

        Update: Loaded some 35 gr V-Max and some Nosler 40 gr  Spitzers , went down fine, no bulge, good retention.
        Problem solved, starting to catch on to these little bottleneck babies. Soon as my scope gets here will have to see how they shoot.




                                                                                          
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