Randy Weaver: The Real Story that led to the Atrocity at Ruby Ridge

[Cabin4]

This site is worth spending some time to learn about what really happened leading up to and during the events at Ruby Ridge in Idaho. It's video with narration and interviews done during the event. There are many misleading stories out there about what happened and who/what Randy Weaver was. It's amazing the steps the feds will take to frame someone and take action against people who simply want to live their lives the way they see fit.

If you don't know much about what happened back then and are interested, this is good stuff.
 
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x1grto/video/x1gshv_p1-ruby-ridge-the-randy-weaver-stor_news

[Westbound]

I saw this one a couple of months back, along with another that was primarily an extended interview with Sara Weaver (Randy's daughter).
Both were an eye opener.  Everyone assumes that the government doesn't really keep tabs on everyone.  Just ask Randy Weaver.  Prior to the events leading up to a warrant being issued for his arrest, he and his wife had never so much as a speeding ticket.  They were not going after a criminal.  They were going after a family man that refused to become an informant.

[Cabin4]

Your correct about Weaver not wanting to become an FBI informant. Had he agreed to participat and be an informant, none of the Ruby Ridge etrocities would have happened. I would never agree to that either under similar circumstances. However, the one mistake Weaver made was allowing himself to get put into that position to begin with. Selling guns illegally is a risky endevor. I do understand he was hard up for cash so his intent was only to support his family and the sale was 2 old shotguns!!!!...... So this is a tuff call but certainly the response by the feds was pitifull and they should be prosicuted for murder which has not happened.

The forces at the federal level that went after this guy is unreal and clearly unwarranted. It all stems from a news paper articale written about Weaver back in his home town in Iowa. The author of that articale lied about Weaver and the reasons why him and his wife decided to leave Iowa for the mountain west. The feds picked up on that articale and decided they were going to keep a close eye on him.

[slim rem 7]

 my puter is old an without modern programs that allow much plug ins..
 ive heard the story but will research it some more.. we need stay above board an reproach as we resist socialisms reach..im gonna try to represent true patriotism in my actions an words..mabe randy tried to isolate himself too much ..it might have a given the feds all the room they needed to do what happened ..i ll read more on his story ,slim
  ps aint nobody enjoys being off to myself ,more than me..
 i enjoy company when they come an sometimes when they leave.

[Cabin4]

Here are some pictures i took while on a bear hunt up near Ruby Ridge. Its easy to understand how someone can disconnect from the rest of the world up there.

[alsaqr]

Great posts.  BTW:  Every year in Quincy,  PRMA they have a ritual mourning the death of the late US marshall Degan who became deceased at Ruby Ridge. 

[Cabin4]

It's to bad that anyone had to die for such a stupid set of events let alone 3 people including a mother holding an infant baby and a 14 year old boy. But that's the situation that was created by the socialst pigs at the federal level in the Clinton administration. They wanted a confrontation and for the first time in the history of the FBI, the "Rules of Engagement" orders were issued. This ensured that there would be escalation and death as the cutting edge of there strategy with the Weaver family. All becasue of the sale of a 2 old sawed off shot guns, lies propoigated in the main stream media and Weaver's refusal to become an FBI informant.

[lrs]

I think the Weaver incident took place in the 1st Bush administration. 
Waco took place during the Clinton adminstration.

[Cabin4]

I think the Weaver incident took place in the 1st Bush administration. 
Waco took place during the Clinton adminstration.

The incedent at Ruby Ridge was 1992. Both Waco and Ruby Ridge are Clinton disasters overseen by the Satinist pig Janet Reno that ran the Justice Department.

[Westbound]

Waco became the media sensation, so no one really bothered to find out what happened in the aftermath of Ruby Ridge.

[lrs]

I think the Weaver incident took place in the 1st Bush administration. 
Waco took place during the Clinton adminstration.

The incedent at Ruby Ridge was 1992. Both Waco and Ruby Ridge are Clinton disasters overseen by the Satinist pig Janet Reno that ran the Justice Department.

It is not a moot point. 
Bill Clinton was not inaugurated until January 1993.

[Westbound]

The "incident" at Ruby Ridge happened 7 months prior to the swearing in of Bill Clinton. (August 1992)
The seige in Waco happened 1 month and 1 week after his being sworn in. (Begin Feb. 28, End April 19, 1993)

If you want to take it a step further, these two events were cited as the primary motive for the attack on the Murrah Federal Building in OKC. (April 19, 1995)
My math comes up to 261 people killed because of federal government's handling of Ruby Ridge and Waco.  This number includes citizens and federal officers killed, and the victims of the OKC Bombing, but does not include the execution of Timothy McVeigh.

[goater]

Thanks for clearing up the fact that Bush 1 was president when Ruby Ridge happened. I can't tell you how many times I've seen some "knee jerk" go through the ....  "it was Clinton and Reno", when referring to Ruby Ridge

It appears that the desire to bash democrats (I won't call Clinton a liberal because he was not) supercedes the common sense to be correct in what one says, and satifies some need to be venomous

[Cabin4]

I think the Weaver incident took place in the 1st Bush administration. 
Waco took place during the Clinton adminstration.

The incedent at Ruby Ridge was 1992. Both Waco and Ruby Ridge are Clinton disasters overseen by the Satinist pig Janet Reno that ran the Justice Department.

It is not a moot point. 
Bill Clinton was not inaugurated until January 1993.

I stand corrected on that and thanks for clearing it up. I got confused with when the Congressional hearings were started.

Waco is Clintons and Janet Reno is on the record, admiting to ordering the assault.

In any case, the forces that started both are the same. I've never been a fan of Bush 1 and have no problems blaming him or his administration for their blumbers.

None of this changes the facts of what happened. It only brings into question the calendar. Socialist pigs inhabit every adminisrtration weather they be elected, appointed or career department baggage from prior adminisrations or simply those that have a personal agenda. The fact that operatives in the FBI were able to do what they did, is a travesty and these are the points to take away from this thread.

[Cabin4]

It appears that the desire to bash democrats (I won't call Clinton a liberal because he was not) supercedes the common sense to be correct in what one says, and satifies some need to be venomous

Your right, there's no need to be "venomous" and common sence is simply not "prevailing" in my thread here. Everything is just fine except for a dead 14 year old, his mother an a US Marshal at Ruby Ridge and a few dead children and their parents at Waco. No big deal when you look at in the grand sceme.

I'll try to brush up on my "common sense" and lets try to find the silver lining in these water shed civil rights events. After all, these people had guns and wanted to live their lives they way they saw fit. We just cannot have that in America.

[goater]

<<I'll try to brush up on my "common sense">>

My reference to common sense did not refer to the situation (Ruby ridge) ... it referred to knowing what your are talking about (who to blame) ... before you run your fingers

[Cabin4]

<<I'll try to brush up on my "common sense">>

My reference to common sense did not refer to the situation (Ruby ridge) ... it referred to knowing what your are talking about (who to blame) ... before you run your fingers

Sorry, your message was load and clear and there's no back peddling now. If the only thing that was wrong with the post was assigning administration and the rest of the facts are 100% correct, it can't change the central facts of Ruby Ridge or Waco. That is unless you want to now go in that direction ....

Blame: Clinton is not the only liberal socialist pig. The reference to liberal socialist pigs has never been a label that I assigned for Clintons exclusive use. So your just dead wrong on that point.

You need to make up your mind on what you want to target for criticism and stick with it. Changing targets after your bullet left the barrel just doesn’t work.

Running the fingers: Do some historical reading and get your facts together. A good dose of your own criticism is well in order. If your here to prop up the FBI, BATF or US Marshalls actions at Ruby Ridge or Waco, you should just come out and say it. I much rather debate that then a trivial date that means absolutely nothing to what happened, why it happened and the liberal socialist pigs that have brought this country to the brink of the abyss.

[goater]

<<You need to make up your mind on what you want to target for criticism and stick with it. Changing targets after your bullet left the barrel just doesn’t work.>>

One more time ... less politely ... anybody that blames "Clinton and Reno" for Ruby Ridge is a ding dong and a knee jerk

Sorry .. but that was my point and my only point ...  I feel that I have an understanding of the the mindset of the types that do that and there are certain generalizations that can apply to that type  ..

note .. I did not say that the generalizations always apply .. but "can" apply

[lrs]

I'm gonna jump in for a second. 
One reason liberals, communists, socialists, ( democrats ), have been winning.  They have no principles, honesty, standards, or moral character.  Anyone on the left can spew anything today, and something completely opposite tomorrow.  And it's wonderfull.  That's the beauty of being open minded and progressive. 
Our problem is, we are TOO principled.
One wrong word, the wrong take, inaccuracy, or what have you. 
We are at each other's throats.
Did you ever hear, divide and conquer.
Liberals do not have to divide us.  We do a great job on our own.
Focus, people, focus.
Let's not be our own worst enemy.

[Cabin4]

<<You need to make up your mind on what you want to target for criticism and stick with it. Changing targets after your bullet left the barrel just doesn’t work.>>

One more time ... less politely ... anybody that blames "Clinton and Reno" for Ruby Ridge is a ding dong and a knee jerk

Sorry .. but that was my point and my only point ...  I feel that I have an understanding of the the mindset of the types that do that and there are certain generalizations that can apply to that type  ..

note .. I did not say that the generalizations always apply .. but "can" apply

Thanks for the clarification and declaration that you represent Clinton & Reno here and further, that the innocent deaths attributed to the forces of an overzealous and intrusive government are just fine with you. Because the point of all these posts is of course, not to focus on the central issues that impact ordinary people, but rather to deflect attention and discredit in order to protect the actions of corruption that liberal socialism brings. Sounds good to me. Thanks again for the clarification on that.

I also got the message on the vast difference between, "always apply" and "can" apply. I think this goes hand in hand with a recent argument that one of our past presidents made about: "depends on what the meaning of the word "is", "is". I can't remember that presidents name. Maybe you can refresh my memory.

[Graybeard]

ENOUGH. If you two school children can't stop your school yard bickering and name calling you're going to be the DIRECT CAUSE of this thread that needs to be discussed being locked. Not one more damn word of bickering and name calling.

[alsaqr]

But that's the situation that was created by the socialst pigs at the federal level in the Clinton administration. They wanted a confrontation and for the first time in the history of the FBI, the "Rules of Engagement" orders were issued.

The Ruby Ridge incident took place on the watch of Big Daddy Bush.

[Cabin4]

But that's the situation that was created by the socialst pigs at the federal level in the Clinton administration. They wanted a confrontation and for the first time in the history of the FBI, the "Rules of Engagement" orders were issued.

The Ruby Ridge incident took place on the watch of Big Daddy Bush.

As was clearly aknowledged on my post number 13 above and I thanked IRS for pointing out my error.

[Westbound]

While emotions run high on subjects like this, arguements over message boards rarely accomplish anything.
So much is lost in translation when using only a keyboard.
I would invite cabin4 and Irs to take it to PMs or exchange phone numbers to debate or argue each others points
I've seen really good threads get locked before, and this thread is provoking a lot of thought from a lot of people.
I really don't want to see this one get locked.  There is a message here that needs to get out, even if it is within our little community here.

[Cabin4]

Westbound,

There's no disagreement between IRS and me. The squible was with Goater.

You are correct, the point of this thread is the web site and the information it provides.

[Westbound]

Sorry for the mix-up.

I've been trying to find the link to the other video I've seen on the issue, but can't seem to find it.  It was a great documentary, and IIRC, it had a run time of over an hour.
I'll post it up as soon as I can find it.

[lrs]

I'm cool, and I never felt as though I were at odds with anyone. 
Now back to our story.

[Westbound]

Sorry Irs, I got you mixed up with someone else.  Completely my mistake.


I found the documentary I was referring to earlier.
This is the link to the vido.  This is part 1 of 5.  Once at the video you will see links to the other 4 parts.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDh_sPK_xrE

[SHOOTALL]

Randy Weaver was selling his book at a gun show a few years ago , Seemed to be honest about his mistakes .
The bigger deal here is the fact that many federal departments and also state and local govt's have SWAT and other squards that base traning on military tactics . How do they control them ?
 how do they justify the cost if they are never used ? DOT has a swat team I have heard , why ?
In GOVT. if you don'y use it you loose it !

[Cabin4]

Randy Weaver was selling his book at a gun show a few years ago , Seemed to be honest about his mistakes .

Randy Weaver was demonzed by the BATF and FBI because he visited a church that was on white supremsssit list and was being watched by the FBI. That's how they justify the incredible levels of force. This way, when it all goes down, the FBI & BATF can say, see, we got a racist and it spoils the jury pool and creates justification within the main stream media. The media as corrupt as they are, soften thier reporting in favor of the BATF & FBI. This is all part of the public opion planning process.

Still today, Randy Weaver is demonzied by the all the left wing groups. Just look at the organization called Montana Human Rights Watch. They follow him around like a blood hound and report on everything the guy does. Yet, this same so called "human rights" group has never spoken out against the brutality that the BATF & FBI used or the killing of his innocent wife & son. Weaver will be demonzed by the left till the day he dies and the idiots that lied and murdered  his wife and son will never be brought up on charges.

I want you to put this in contrast to what you think would have happened if Weaver was black, Asian or latino? We know the answer.