Author Topic: The 30/06 (Read 7634 times)

rickt300 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 08, 2009, 04:23:48 AM »

I like to keep my 30-06 loaded to top levels and generally use it as a backup rifle to more specialized cartridges and as my ready to go out of state rifle. The old 1903A3 Springfield action is dead realiable as is the Leupold scope. It doesn't destroy much meat if the bullets are placed behind the shoulder about mid chest or in the neck in front of the shoulder blade. I just bought a 30-06 barrel for my Handi rifle and plan on loading it down to a sensible 2600 fps and use a good 150 grain bullet like the solid base. This ought to cure the damage overage.

kiddekop · « **Reply #61 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:26:09 AM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on March 20, 2009, 07:22:37 AM

The fight between 308 and 30-06 is like the fight over Who makes the best pick up truck?
Both have there supporters, both have their advantages.
Both have spawned many great cartridges by necking up or down. And then you have that fight as well. 270 vs 30-06, 7-08 vs 308, 338fed vs 338-06 and then you have the spawns of each vs each other in questions like 7-08 vs 270/284.
Now with that said.
308 rules you all need to know that and .......

Which caliber has removed more from the gene pool ?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #62 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:45:08 AM »

My guess would be the 308.....

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #63 on:** April 08, 2009, 10:26:59 AM »

I would guess the 30-06 since we fought WWI, WWII, and the Korean war with this caliber. Was in the 1903 springfield, BAR, and, machine guns.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #64 on:** April 26, 2009, 01:58:47 PM »

You forgot what Patton called the greatest Battle implment ever designed.
The M1 Garand.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #65 on:** April 26, 2009, 02:00:57 PM »

Also the Johnson rifle and the Johnson Machine gun ( but I guess that would fall under your Machine gun Catagory). Let's also not forget the 1917 Enfield made by Springfield.

KAYR1 · « **Reply #66 on:** April 27, 2009, 03:09:36 PM »

Fans of the 30-06 should look for a book called "One Man, One Rifle, One Land", I forget the author, but he killed every head of North American big game wth the same Remington 700 and scope combo. Everything from little coues deer to walrus, bison, and brown bears. Great read, great photos, all about the greatest cartrige.

scootrd · « **Reply #67 on:** April 28, 2009, 06:40:55 AM »

Quote from: KAYR1 on April 27, 2009, 03:09:36 PM

Fans of the 30-06 should look for a book called "One Man, One Rifle, One Land", I forget the author, but he killed every head of North American big game wth the same Remington 700 and scope combo. Everything from little coues deer to walrus, bison, and brown bears. Great read, great photos, all about the greatest cartrige.

I am always interested in a good read , I will definitely try to pick this book up.
Thanks for the info.

goodconcretecolor · « **Reply #68 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:43:19 AM »

I bought a used Howa 1500 labeled as a Mossberg 30-06 with a scope for $285 in 1991. I have had a ball tinkering with and reloading for that rifle ever since. I have worked up a gallery load with the power of a 22 rimfire and will shoot cloverleafs at 50 feet. A 100 yard practice load with the ballistics of the 30 carbine that shoots 1 moa with almost no recoil. An open field load of a Hornady 150g SST at 2900 fps. And if I ever get a chance for moose or elk, I would load a 165 or 180 grain Barnes MRX on top of a stout but safe load of IMR 4350. No other cartridge can do all of that as readily as the "boring" 30-06. Squiirels to moose or Rocky to Bullwinkle. If I had to keep only 1 centerfire rifle, 30-06 hands down.

bluecow · « **Reply #69 on:** May 05, 2009, 05:02:28 AM »

if the 7mm rem., 308, 270, ect are just as good as the 3006 then why dont we compair all new cartridges to the 7mm rem, 308, 270? no there is no magic to the 06 its just the right balance of everything. enough bang on the front end without too muchbang on the back. bullet type and weights to do most anything. the sad part is the 06 is like plain vanilla ice cream, some people just damn well want rocky road, even though vinilla will do just fine

conradj · « **Reply #70 on:** June 15, 2009, 10:04:30 AM »

what are you smoking ? 55gr in 30-06?

Quote from: tangob5 on February 25, 2009, 04:11:17 PM

First rifle was a used Remington 30.06 that was not as accurate as I liked but I was young at the time and still managed to hit a few deer with it. Second rifle was a Ruger M77 in 30.06 that has killed 26 deer, a moose, a black bear and many coyotes (even using the 55 gr. Accelerators) along with various other critters. I had ( note the past tense) a M77 7mm Rem Mag and a Win. Mod. 70 300 H & H. Still always preferred the 30.06. The 7mm has been replaced with a CZ 550 .243 which now has 2 Mule Deer to its credit and is one great shooting rifle and the 300 H & H is now going to be replaced with a Tikka T3 Stainless in .270 as soon as my 10 day waiting period is up (California) because I want my first all weather rifle. However, if I was to be limited to 1 rifle, and being in California it may come to that, I would choose a 30.06 over anything else out there. It just is the best overall rifle one can own in my opinion. What other rifle can you go from a superfast 55 gr. PSP for coyote to a massive 220 gr. round that will knock down the largest land mammal in North America.

teddy12b · « **Reply #71 on:** June 15, 2009, 11:13:13 AM »

Hey, I tried the 55gr accelerator ammo in my 30-06 too. Didn't shoot worth a darn and I didn't buy another box.

scootrd · « **Reply #72 on:** June 17, 2009, 10:20:15 AM »

Quote from: bluecow on May 05, 2009, 05:02:28 AM

if the 7mm rem., 308, 270, ect are just as good as the 3006 then why dont we compair all new cartridges to the 7mm rem, 308, 270? no there is no magic to the 06 its just the right balance of everything. enough bang on the front end without too muchbang on the back. bullet type and weights to do most anything. the sad part is the 06 is like plain vanilla ice cream, some people just damn well want rocky road, even though vinilla will do just fine

I hunted whitetails with a 30-06 most of my life. (Steep mountainous mixed woodand high clearing landscapes).
That said last year I switched to the 7mm-08 for a number of reasons, not because I wanted something less Vanilla.

I always thought 30-06 was overkill for whitetails in the Northeast.
My traditional 30-06 with Barrel length of 24" and traditional 3-9 scope was heavy and not pleasant to lug around all day.
The 7mm-08 provides me a better fit - a lighter short action package that is a Joy to carry all day long up and down steep terrain. 7lbs , 22" barrel , with similar bang on the front end and considerably less bang on the back. Trajectory is flatter than the 30-06. Ammo is comparatively not any more expensive and the 7mm-08 has a higher BC .

Given the steep terrain I hunt with most shots less than 200yrds it just made sense to switch to a more lightweight short action combo and the 7mm-08 fit the bill nicely.

Don't get me wrong I love the 30-06 and if I was going to fill a Moose tag I would probably use my 30-06 to this day (though I have heard some state the 7mm-08 will do just fine I have no experience with such) . But on Northeast Whitetails though the 30-06 may be the near perfect all around cartridge for large North American Game In my humble opinion the 7mm-08 is the near perfect Deer cartridge and much better than the 30-06. My Remington mod seven 7mm-08 with a Bushnell 2x7-32 is the near perfect Vanilla Northeast Whitetail combo with the right balance of everything for me. Welcome to Baskin - Robbins ...now serving number 26.

Cartridge (Wb@MV) Recoil energy Recoil velocity
-------------------- ------------- ---------------
7mm-08 (140 at 2860) 12.6 10.1
.30-06 (150 at 2910) 17.6 11.9

Cartridge Information
Cartridge Type Ballistic Coefficient
---------- ------------------ ---------------------
7mm-08 140 AccuTip™ Boat Tail 0.486
.30-06 150 AccuTip™ Boat Tail 0.415

Velocity (ft/sec)
Cartridge Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
---------- ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
7mm-08 140 2860 2670 2489 2314 2146 1986
.30-06 150 2910 2686 2473 2270 2077 1893

Energy (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
---------- ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
7mm-08 140 2542 2216 1925 1664 1432 1225
.30-06 150 2820 2403 2037 1716 1436 1193

Long-Range Trajectory
Cartridge 100 150 200 250 300 400 500
---------- --- --- ---- ---- ---- ----- -----
7mm-08 140 1.7 1.5 zero -2.9 -7.3 -21.1 -42.5
.30-06 150 1.7 1.5 zero -2.9 -7.4 -21.5 -43.7

teddy12b · « **Reply #73 on:** June 17, 2009, 12:15:54 PM »

After all that.... the 30-06 is still the best!!! Yahoo for the 30-06!!!

Swampman · « **Reply #74 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:00:07 PM »

I hunted with a 7mm-08 for one year. I'll never own another. Even with very good hits the results were pathetic.

nomosendero · « **Reply #75 on:** June 19, 2009, 01:36:51 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on June 18, 2009, 01:00:07 PM

I hunted with a 7mm-08 for one year. I'll never own another. Even with very good hits the results were pathetic.

Which means you can't shoot or don't know where to hit the animal.

diggler1833 · « **Reply #76 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:02:44 PM »

poor bullet construction could also be the culprit.

Swampman · « **Reply #77 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:07:12 PM »

4 heart lung hits with Federal Factory loaded Nosler balistic tips???I'll keep my .30-06 thanks.

nomosendero · « **Reply #78 on:** June 19, 2009, 04:50:26 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on June 19, 2009, 02:07:12 PM

4 heart lung hits with Federal Factory loaded Nosler balistic tips???I'll keep my .30-06 thanks.

Frank46 · « **Reply #79 on:** June 19, 2009, 05:39:12 PM »

Think I have about 7-8 '06's. Don't know if its me or what but I have always found the '06 easier to work up a load for and i get better groups. My 700vs in 308 doesn't shoot as well as any of my '06's. Back when I had a bunch of lack city match in both 7.62 & '06 always got better accuracy with the '06. Frank

rickt300 · « **Reply #80 on:** June 19, 2009, 06:02:18 PM »

I consider my 7x57 every bit as good a deer rifle as my 30-06 even though I have only one 7x57 and I have 3 30-06's. I'll also say I don't believe there is a better deer bullet than the 150 grain Ballistic tip out of that 7x57 pushed to 2700 fps. The 30-06 comes into it's own when longer ranges and elk are put into the mix.

nomosendero · « **Reply #81 on:** June 20, 2009, 04:55:05 AM »

Quote from: rickt300 on June 19, 2009, 06:02:18 PM

I consider my 7x57 every bit as good a deer rifle as my 30-06 even though I have only one 7x57 and I have 3 30-06's. I'll also say I don't believe there is a better deer bullet than the 150 grain Ballistic tip out of that 7x57 pushed to 2700 fps. The 30-06 comes into it's own when longer ranges and elk are put into the mix.

Good to see some logic every now & then.

scootrd · « **Reply #82 on:** June 20, 2009, 03:18:04 PM »

Quote from: rickt300 on June 19, 2009, 06:02:18 PM

I consider my 7x57 every bit as good a deer rifle as my 30-06 even though I have only one 7x57 and I have 3 30-06's. I'll also say I don't believe there is a better deer bullet than the 150 grain Ballistic tip out of that 7x57 pushed to 2700 fps. The 30-06 comes into it's own when longer ranges and elk are put into the mix.

Pretty much the way you feel about your 7x57 and 150 grain Ballistic tip combo ---- is the way I feel about my 7mm-08 140gr. Ballistic Tip
combo with a BC of .485 and SD of .248 Pushing 2860 at the muzzle and 2670 at 100yards with 40% less kick than my old 30-06 using factory loads.

Tough to beat that combination on Northeast whitetails, hence I have since retired my 30-06 to a place of honor above my mantle.

Swampman · « **Reply #83 on:** June 21, 2009, 01:57:18 AM »

If the .30-06 had any kick, I could see it being an issue.

Harry Snippe · « **Reply #84 on:** June 21, 2009, 04:37:28 AM »

Quote from: nomosendero on June 19, 2009, 04:50:26 PM

Quote from: Swampman on June 19, 2009, 02:07:12 PM
4 heart lung hits with Federal Factory loaded Nosler balistic tips???I'll keep my .30-06 thanks.

You know there are Natives up here that shot deer with a 32/20 and kill every one of them . So something as powerful as the 7-08 should have enough to get the job done .Now many use the SKS 762x 39 because guns and Ammo is cheap and they get their deer . Millions of deer have been shot with the 30/30, Remingtons 30,32,35 and so on. Savage 250 was thought of as "the" deer gun.
The 3006 and the 308 are great guns .But the power is required more for larger game such as moose and Black bear . So get your eyes checked and or spend some time at the range

scootrd · « **Reply #85 on:** June 21, 2009, 04:59:21 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on June 21, 2009, 01:57:18 AM

If the .30-06 had any kick, I could see it being an issue.

For me it wasn't the 30-06 kick per say - The 30-06 kick is very tolerable for me as I am not sensitive to recoil at all -
even when sighting my '06 in at the range and shooting all day with the guys.

It was more a combination of
an old mod 70 of 8lbs with a medium weight barrel,
an old 3-9 scope, weighing over a .lb ,
a 24 inch less maneuverable barrel in the terrain I hunt.

With my new setup I get a proven 7mm-08 whitetail deerslayer with 2 lbs less weight , better balanced and more maneuverable rifle with a shorter barrel. Better BC , flatter trajectory , matched 30-06 cartridge velocities with 40% less Recoil energy and Recoil velocity - no brainier for me.
My 2 cents

yooper77 · « **Reply #86 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:10:50 PM »

I love the 30-06 Springfield. Good for 100% of North American big game, if the correct bullet is used and proper shot placement taken within an ethical distance.

Mine is a Weatherby Mark V synthetic with a Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x40mm scope, with Leupold base and low rings all matte finished.

Any rimless bottle necked cartridge with a .473" rim diameter is a winner in my book.

Other cartridges I have used with perfect success for deer are as follows:

308 Winchester
7x57 Masuer
7x57 Masuer Ackley Improved
7mm-08 Remington
270 Winchester

yooper77

rickt300 · « **Reply #87 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:17:16 PM »

I don't have any problem with the 30-06 kicking, it's more powerful than I need for deer at the under 200yard ranges I shoot them at. I do shoot a deer or two every year with the first custom rifle I had built (30-06) but I shoot 6-8 deer a year when I go out of state and at least 5 in Texas alone. I could load it down but it's forte' is as an all around rifle not just a deer rifle. If I go elk hunting this year I'll take two rifles, my 30-06 and my 7MM Remington magnum. I have taken more game with this old Springfield 30-06 than any other and it will be the last rifle I would sell but for some things a more specialized rifle is better.

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #88 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:52:27 PM »

Quote from: rickt300 on June 21, 2009, 07:17:16 PM

... If I go elk hunting this year I'll take two rifles, my 30-06 and my 7MM Remington magnum. ...

Outstanding choices, both.

Halwg · « **Reply #89 on:** June 22, 2009, 03:28:45 AM »

This debate will go on ad naseum. The 30-06 is a great caliber, but so are the 308, 270, 7mm mag, 300 Savage, 30-30, 35 remington, 7mm/08, 25-06, 35 Whelan, etc., etc., etc. Who cares, really? You all have a favorite caliber, gun and load that you shoot, and is it any better than someone else's...sure to you it is. I was raised hunting with a 30-06, I like it, and I shoot it well. I'll continue to use it.