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Cheese Sammich
« on: February 25, 2009, 09:05:48 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_on_re_us/cheese_sandwich_flap

No more lunch bills: Schools go after deadbeats
 By SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN, Associated Press Writer Susan Montoya Bryan, Associated Press Writer – Wed Feb 25, 9:03 am ET AP –

Danessa Vigil, 7, right, and her sister, Mya Williams, 6, wait for the school bus at their aunt's home … ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. – A cold cheese sandwich, fruit and a milk carton might not seem like much of a meal — but that's what's on the menu for students in New Mexico's largest school district without their lunch money.

Faced with mounting unpaid lunch charges in the economic downturn, Albuquerque Public Schools last month instituted a "cheese sandwich policy," serving the alternative meals to children whose parents are supposed to be able to pay for some or all of their regular meals but fail to pick up the tab.

Such policies have become a necessity for schools seeking to keep budgets in the black while ensuring children don't go hungry. School districts including those in Chula Vista, Calif.; Hillsborough County, Fla.; and Lynnwood, Wash.; have also taken to serving cheese sandwiches to children with delinquent lunch accounts.

Critics argue the cold meals are a form of punishment for children whose parents can't afford to pay. Parents who qualify for free meals are not affected.

"We've heard stories from moms coming in saying their child was pulled out of the lunch line and given a cheese sandwich," said Nancy Pope, director of the New Mexico Collaborative to End Hunger. "One woman said her daughter never wants to go back to school."

Some Albuquerque parents have tearfully pleaded with school board members to stop singling out their children because they're poor, while others have flooded talk radio shows thanking the district for imposing a policy that commands parental responsibility.

Second-grader Danessa Vigil said she will never eat sliced cheese again. She had to eat cheese sandwiches because her mother couldn't afford to give her lunch money while her application for free lunch was being processed.

"Every time I eat it, it makes me feel like I want to throw up," the 7-year-old said.

Her mother, Darlene Vigil, said there are days she can't spare lunch money for her two daughters.

"Some parents don't have even $1 sometimes," the 27-year-old single mother said. "If they do, it's for something else, like milk at home. There are some families that just don't have it and that's the reason they're not paying."

Albuquerque Public Schools students receive a cheese sandwich in lieu of a hot meal if they have exceeded a set amount of meals charged to their account, ranging from two at high schools to 10 at elementary schools. The schools' Web site warns: "Once the charging limit is met, students will be offered an alternate meal consisting of a cheese sandwich and a beverage."

The School Nutrition Association recently surveyed nutrition directors from 38 states and found more than half of school districts have seen an increase in the number of students charging meals, while 79 percent saw an increase in the number of free lunches served over the last year.

In New Mexico, nearly 204,000 low-income students — about three-fifths of public school students — received free or reduced-price lunches at the beginning of the school year, according to the state Public Education Department.

"What you are seeing is families struggling and having a really hard time, and school districts are struggling as well," said Crystal FitzSimons of the national Food Research and Action Center.

In Albuquerque, unpaid lunch charges hovered around $55,000 in 2006. That jumped to $130,000 at the end of the 2007-08 school year. It was $140,000 through the first five months of this school year.

Charges were on pace to reach $300,000 by the end of the year. Mary Swift, director of Albuquerque's food and nutrition services, said her department had no way to absorb that debt as it had in the past.

"We can't use any federal lunch program money to pay what they call bad debt. It has to come out of the general budget and of course that takes it from some other department," Swift said.

With the new policy, the school district has collected just over $50,000 from parents since the beginning of the year. It also identified 2,000 students eligible to receive free or reduced-price lunches, and more children in the lunch program means more federal dollars for the district.

School officials said the policy was under consideration for some time and parents were notified last fall. Families with unpaid charges are reminded with an automated phone call each night and notes are sent home with children once a week.

Swift added that the cheese sandwiches — about 80 of the 46,000 meals the district serves daily — can be considered a "courtesy meal," rather than an alternate meal.

Some districts, she noted, don't allow children without money to eat anything.

Albuquerque Public Schools "has historically gone above and beyond as far as treating children with dignity and respect and trying to do what's best with for the child and I think this is just another example," Swift said.


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1. I'd eat a cheese sandwich, fruit, and carton of milk every day for a free meal.

2. That being said, this is just another example of the people who actually do TRY to work are punished.  The true dead beat's kids are eating a hot meal while their parents sit at home and gorge themselves on foodstamp bought goods while the kids with parents who work for a living but are now having a hard time get a cheese sammich.

3. Solution. Cheese sammich's for ALL!!!!  If YOU (by that I mean the parents) can't afford the hot meal, you get a cheese sammich.  PERIOD!

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Re: Cheese Sammich
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2009, 09:40:55 AM »
I agree with you to a point. but I also agree that the kids are being punished. I ate better food in jail. now I can see doing it in high school wheb the kids should be able to get money themselfs. but not in elementry school. I was the kid on the free lunch/breakfeast. I usually gave it to a friend because I worked. and his mother was also poor but didn't qualify. he didn't work so I gave him mine. the elementry school kids should be allowed to eat what the rest do. but older kids keep it as a alternative meal. its not the kids fault the parents dont0pay
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Re: Cheese Sammich
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2009, 11:33:45 AM »
I got bolgna sammiches in jail. Better than cheese. ;D

I think the parents should be grateful they are giving their kids something to eat. As the article said some districts don't give them anything. Maybe the answer is making it easier to qualify  for the hot lunch program.
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Re: Cheese Sammich
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2009, 11:51:17 AM »
First off I'm glad to see someone other than me knows the correct spelling of Sammich.

I have been called cruel and hard hearted before and won't argue the point if ya think so this time.

There are too many bums out there who want a hand out not a hand up and personally I'm getting tired of it. It ain't my place nor your place nor the government's place to feed the kids of folks who have them and cannot or will not feed them.

Sure I realize some folks probably really can't afford to feed them but dang it they could afford to have them and it is still their responsibility. So long as the school is feeding them something that fills their belly and puts enough calories into them to sustain them thru the school day I say they've more than met their obligation to free loaders.

If they truly meet the standards set for free lunches then so be it there is a program for that so let them get their kids qualified under it. If it takes a few days to get qualified then cheese Sammichs fer lunch until then ain't such a big deal. I've eaten plenty of them and less to get me thru the day in my youth.

Hell I had to walk ten miles to school each way up hill all the way both ways in foot deep snow every school day when I wuz a kid and survived it.  :o What you mean you didn't know it snowed that deep and Alabama?  ??? You don't member what it wuz lak when I wuz a kid back in the stone age clearly.  ;D

The point being when I was a kid there were four of us and not a whole lotta income in the family. Oh sure mom and dad managed to find enough money to get drunk from time to time but finding money for the rest wasn't so easy it seemed. I had one pair of shoes to wear to school and when they were so dang worn out they had more holes than shoe I got another but could wear the new ones ONLY to school and had to put the old ones on when I got home. The only way around that was to grow so fast the old ones didnt fit anymore and if I really couldn't stretch them on I could get another pair but usually only at Christmas time. We got mostly clothes for Christmas and at most one toy only.

Still I had the cost of a lunch each day given to me and believe you me some of the meals I was given in school I'd much rather have a cheese sammich that those.  ::)



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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2009, 12:11:42 PM »
I think I would find a way to not ostracize(MATT SPELL CK) the child by being pulled out of line.
Mine were not cheese sammiches, mine were Salad dressing.
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2009, 12:14:43 PM »
To the whiners. If someone is giving you something don't whine. To the freeloaders,  Cheese sandwiches for all.

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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2009, 12:38:55 PM »
To the whiners. If someone is giving you something don't whine. To the freeloaders,  Cheese sandwiches for all.

Couldn't agree more.
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Re: Cheese Sammich
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2009, 12:40:29 PM »
Those kids are lucky to have anything to eat.  At my kids school if you forget your lunch money you go hungry!

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Re: Cheese Sammich
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2009, 01:08:13 PM »
  I started school at the old, proverbial "country school"...one teacher for 8 grades and she wasn't cooking..brown bagged it herself!
 Later I went to a "centralized school" that had a cafeteria. I ate in the cafeteria perhaps 10 times through high school..preferred to brown bag it! Just as good a lunch, with balanced nourishment can be carried in the sack..as cooked in the cafeteria. Seems like the cafeterias are not cost effective anyway, the school districts should consider scrapping most cafeterias to save taxpayer money. Come to think of it, most all my adult working life I worked hard, heavy and dangerous work...always carried my lunch. Why should anyone need anything more ? If they need hot meals, they can have 2 out of the three  meals....hot..at home !
   There were mess halls I had to eat in while in the army, where I would have preferred a decent sack lunch most any time.
  Trouble is, our "nanny state" seems to think they must wipe not only noses and butts ..but also chins. Most of the freeloaders are already getting welfare, WIC, food stamps and or all kinds of financial aid. they should be made to send a lunch with their kids or be served with a child endangerment charge.
  Sorry folks, I never spent any jail time, so cannot comment on that..but Sheriff Joe Arpaio seems to have a good thing going. His inmate's recidivism rate is very low....

   Perhaps after our economy tanks completely and Socialism becomes more entrenched, there will be many unfortunates..but as things are presently run,
  there are few excuses for a parent to send their child to school hungry..
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2009, 01:09:29 PM »
Hell I had to walk ten miles to school each way up hill all the way both ways in foot deep snow every school day when I wuz a kid and survived it.  :o

I got to take a horse and sleigh to school, but the snow was so darn deep that I had to harness myself and pull the horse up the hill for those long ten miles both ways.

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2009, 01:23:43 PM »
  Seriously, some folks joke about it..I suppose, so they can more easily slough off those that really had to walk in inclement weather.
  No, I didn't walk 10 miles each way, but it was over 2 miles each way..and uphill just one way...and walking downhill in snowy, icy weather is not much easier than walking uphill. ;) Yes, for a 1st and 2nd grader to walk in a rural western NY winter is a challenge, but it sure helped in character development. I had no time to feel sorry for myself, my sister and brothers along with all the other local kids had to do the same.. ;D
  I can honestly say that the one-room country school and the toughness required was a blessing..a blessing that too many youngsters today miss..
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2009, 02:17:21 PM »
I feel the kids are being fed fine. No they are not being punished, they are being fed. As for it not being the childrens fault that is true, it is the parents fault, hopefully the children are being taught this too. I mean as far as it not being the childs fault, where do we draw the line, making sure they have steak and lobster 3 nights a week at home? After all it is not the childrens fault that their parents can't provide that for them. Howabout a car for these little tikes, heck their mom and dad can't provide one for them and it aint fair that other kids get one. Well the kids need to learn the golden rule early, life aint fair, it aint even close to fair, well at least until the end.

When I was in the Army in basic training we lived in open bay barracks up on the hill at Ft. Bliss, we were fed fairly well but I'm sure there were others in our country that got fed better. Why should we have to provide for the parasites of our society a standard that is fair? I have no problem with providing the bare necessitys for a stuggling family in need, bet there needs to be limits. They are not entitiled to equal shares of the pie with the ones who are productive, people are making a living off this crap, heck some even better that the working class guy.  No the complainers are parasites nothing more than that, when has anyone here known anyone that was truly in need that didn't appreciate what help no matter how much or how little?

We need to stop making being a societal parasite an acceptable form of making a living. Being a welfare parasite is a shamful and should be treated as a shamful.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2009, 02:31:18 PM »
Would it be easier to just STOP school lunches?  Tell all the parents to pack your kids lunch and have the kid take it to school.  Problem solved.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2009, 02:49:11 PM »
Would it be easier to just STOP school lunches?  Tell all the parents to pack your kids lunch and have the kid take it to school.  Problem solved.

Hmmm lets think about this for a sec... fire the lunch staff, get rid of the power consuming ovens, ranges, microwaves, heat lamps and all the rest of the crap that goes along with it, cut the water bill now that you dont have to wash all those dishes and trays. Hmmm what you bet that stuff is 1/4 of the budget for a large school if not more... that same money could then be spent to better educate the students.

Well only problem I see with it is it makes sense so there is no way they would do it.

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2009, 02:53:35 PM »
Well Matt you are right, making sense won't go far with the school aministration.
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2009, 04:51:39 PM »
when my dad was having hard times....us five boys were dam lucky if we had a cheese sammich to eat a school.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2009, 04:59:38 PM »
MY mther came from a very poor depression era family, she said thier meals were verey often beans or tators. But she was happy to have a fully belly.
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2009, 05:03:46 PM »
I can't believe crap like this makes the news.

I went to a school that would give you a cheese sammich and a carton of white milk if you didn't have lunch money or your punch card ran out.
There were several times I got to partake in the "poor kid" lunch.  My parents always did their best, but sometimes the lunch card ran out a few days before payday.  My mom made sure those were few and far between though.

I guess we've become so much of a sissy, liberal, welfare state that this makes the news... "Those poor kids in New Mexico have to eat a cold sandwich when other kids get a warm meal"   Tough!  The sooner kids learn that life ain't fair and sure as hell ain't easy, the better off they will be.
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2009, 05:27:30 PM »
Being raised with not alot of money,we probably could of had the free lunchs. My mother was a proud woman and took nothing. We had food on the table that sustained us. We took brown bag to school with either egg salad, bolony or pbj sammichs. The big problem nowadays is alot of these young parents are to damn lazy to pack a lunch for their kids. We raised chickens for meat and eggs and red meat was liver and hamburg. And man do I miss moms pancakes and chicken gravy, I think I will make some of that. And dont forget the taters 3 meala a day cept school days.

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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2009, 05:29:56 PM »
The reality of my youth was a walk of around a quarter mile from my first day of school thru 6th grade then from 7th thru 12th it was closer to a half mile except when we lived in Florida in '58 and there it was closer to three miles.

No there weren't that many hills and for the most part not a lot of snow but there were some might cold and wet days here in the south to walk to school in those 12 years and no one EVER once drove me there.


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Re: Cheese Sammich
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2009, 05:34:24 PM »
Heck fellas you cant even mark papers with red ink anymore in some schools. they say it is detrimental to their self-esteem. a sack lunch wouldn't hurt anybody and i agree with that but in a lot of cases the hotmeal they get in school is the one hotmeal they get all day. Some parents just suck at the job! always have and always will! Having it tuff is not that bad for a kid it teaches them self reliance and character. More kids today could use some hard lessons, it would make em better adults..................Hmmm looks like they may get some tuff times real soon, cheese sammich may look good looking back.  

anybody ever have a slam sammich ? you take two slices of bread and a slice of baloney or cheese and slam um together.
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2009, 06:03:37 PM »
Funny that this happened in "New" mexico!
 Put the whiners and the parents back on a bus back to "old" mexico, see how the school lunches are back there.

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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2009, 06:30:46 PM »
Nuttin wrong with a cheese sangwich :D
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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2009, 07:59:54 PM »
 they could toast the bread for petes sake. that is bs.
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2009, 12:51:07 AM »
  Right guys, it appears that the cheez sammich may be making a comeback in a big way...judging from the reactions to Obammanomics... :D
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2009, 02:03:46 AM »
My mom talked of a sweet tater for lunch.
I hardly ever ate in the cafateria. I lived across the street.
HS was still only about a mile. Seems we got a sammich at home.
The thought about singleing out and making a child the point of being noticed as "different" is valid.
I know what you boys are saying, but in defense there was no singleing out--all were in the same boat.
When children are singled out as too be shown as lesser is the source of much self perception and poor self mage. This may drive some to achieve while it drives some to feelings of lack of self worth.
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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2009, 02:36:03 AM »
My mother being too lazy to fix us breakfast, sent us to school saying we could last till lunch.  Then some days she would forget to give us the 35 cents needed to eat lunch.  On those days we went hungry.  A cheese sammich would have been great to me.  No money no food at my school.  When we got home she would have a pot of dried beans on cooking, and if we were lucky a skillet of corn bread.  That was a typical day.

When my Dad was home (which was rare, him being a trucker) she fixed some good meals.  And Dad saw to it we had lunch money when he was home.

I and all my brothers went to work when we were 14 so we could have money to eat on at school.  School served breakfast for .25 in those days too.  Never had the money for breakfast before high school.
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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2009, 03:56:21 AM »
Where you been sourdough did your computer break?

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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2009, 04:01:37 AM »
I'm on vacation.  62 below zero was a bit too much, so I left for Florida.  Staying in a hotel right now with a computor that they let guest use to check e-mail and other things.  Going back to Alaska next Tuesday.  Will be out hunting as soon as I get back.  Breeding season for wolves is coming up, that's when they are easiest to call in.
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Re: Cheese Sammich
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2009, 04:15:35 AM »
Are the hides still worth much? I suppose the tree huggers would have a hissy fit if there was a bounty.