Author Topic: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.  (Read 2232 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« on: March 01, 2009, 06:03:00 AM »
I know nothing bout Mausers, I do have 2 of them and one sks. One Mauser is just a regular looking Mauser,my question is bout another. It's in 270 caliber and the only markings is the s.n. and it also says " Standard Model ". Here are a few pics, anbody ever seen one? Was it fitted with a new barrel? The stock is also glass bedded and it has a free floating barrel. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Scott
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline AtlLaw

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (58)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6410
  • Gender: Male
  • A good woman, nice bike and fine guns!
Re: Mauser in 270
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2009, 06:48:11 AM »
Well Brian old boy, just about the least important thing in ID'ing as rifle is the woodwork!   ;)  This is real interesting to me since I love rifles built on Mauser actions, but give us some of your (very good BTW) pictures of the action, bolt, first few inches of the barrel, bottom metal, etc.   ;D
Richard
Former Captain of Horse, keeper of the peace and interpreter of statute.  Currently a Gentleman of leisure.
Nemo me impune lacessit

                      
Support your local US Military Vets Motorcycle Club

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2009, 06:54:39 AM »
I'll get more pics as soon as my 2 year old wakes up, he's on my lap.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 06:57:03 AM »
Sorry bout the pics, those were taken to show someone how I used linseed oil to refinish the stock.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, More pics
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 07:25:27 AM »
Hope these help. :)
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline 1911crazy

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4793
  • Gender: Male
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added.
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 08:08:03 AM »
Looks like a custom job on a surplus mauser was done on this one by the looks of the bolt/receiver.  We still can't beat the 98 action for doing builds in modern calibers.

My first thought was its a Interarms mauser (modern). My brother had one in 30-06 and it was an awesome rifle and very accurate. Your stock reminded me of it.

Offline AtlLaw

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (58)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6410
  • Gender: Male
  • A good woman, nice bike and fine guns!
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added.
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 09:19:17 AM »
Okay... let's see here...  :-\

Unaltered military floorplate, even has the original locking scews.  Somebody reshaped the trigger guard though.

Thumb cut on the receiver, looks like a new bolt handle and Buhler safety.

Aftermarket barrel, of course  ::), with what look like Williams open sights.

serial number in the usual place.  Is there anything stamped on the receiver ring under the scope mount?

The "Standard" stamping is not Mauser, do you think it implys there was a "Delux" model?   :D

The stock itself looks like the standard old Fagin style and the white line spacers also date it.  What is the inscription on the butt plate?

Ain't this fun!?   ;D

Looking at the minimal work that was done on the metal and wood and the use of common aftermarket parts, my first thought was that it was a home custom job.  Hi-ebber, and day always be a hi-ebber, upon consideration I would bet it is a mass production type conversion of a military surplus action as was very commonly done; especially during the 60's.

Three reasons:  The reshapped trigger guard bow, the new bolt handle and the stamped "standard" on the receiver.

But even if my conclusions are correct there are still 2 unanswered questions:  what particular brand Mauser 98 action is it, and who sporterized it...  ???  I dunno...  maybe all the manufacturer marks were ground/polished off during the conversion, which would fit with my theory.   ;)

Anybody else?
Richard
Former Captain of Horse, keeper of the peace and interpreter of statute.  Currently a Gentleman of leisure.
Nemo me impune lacessit

                      
Support your local US Military Vets Motorcycle Club

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added.
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 09:39:56 AM »
The trigger is nothing like the one on my other mauser, very light and I do mean light trigger. By the way, I paid 220 for the gun, do you think that was too much, seems to be pretty accurate with factory loads. Haven't shot any handloads thru it yet. The barrell and reciever have writing with letters and crowns above the letters. ????
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline AtlLaw

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (58)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6410
  • Gender: Male
  • A good woman, nice bike and fine guns!
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added.
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 10:06:18 AM »
The barrell and reciever have writing with letters and crowns above the letters.

OH!  OH!  The markings are the same on the barrel and the reciever!?   :o  can you get a nice close up of them!?  If it has a good single stage trgger on it that would be after market also.

Don't worry about what you paid for it.  If you like it, it is worth it.  If it means anything, I would probably pay that much for it and, depending on the make of the action, probably feel good to great about it.
Richard
Former Captain of Horse, keeper of the peace and interpreter of statute.  Currently a Gentleman of leisure.
Nemo me impune lacessit

                      
Support your local US Military Vets Motorcycle Club

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added.
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 11:37:06 AM »
This is the best I could do with a closeup.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline Hank08

  • Trade Count: (35)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 887
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added.
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 11:48:13 AM »
Brian,  I knew that rang a bell when you said "standard model" and then when I saw where the standard was on the side of the action I remembered what it was.  In 1933 against the Versailles tready the Germans resumed production of military arms.  The rifle that they introduced at that time was called the STANDARD MODELL  check model on your rifle it should be spelled modell not model.  Also on the receiver bridge under your scope mt. there should be a Mauser banner marking.  They were made in 7.9mm(8x57) 7.65mm and 7mm.
This was the forerunner of the 98K used in WW2.  The Chinese bought some of these rifle and reproduced them in China, serviceable but not as well made as the German ones.  A lot of the Chinese ones were captured during the Korean war, you might want to check under your scope mt to see if yours is German but from the looks of it I think it is.  Looks like someone did a nice job on it, nice bolt, good safety, I believe the trigger guard is original, later changed a little in front.  Stock looks like one from the old Bishop factory which later became Fagen and now owned by Midway. Should serve you well.
H08

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 12:16:34 PM »
You are right, it is modell. Where the mauser insignia is, compared to my other mauser, is covered by the scope mount. By the way, with factory loads this thing has a tendacy to kick.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline Hank08

  • Trade Count: (35)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 887
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 05:42:51 AM »
Loosen those 2 big screws on your scope mt. take off the scope then remove the 2 small screws in the base and remove it, usually the Banner is on the front but I've seen them on the back on some of these.  Put it back the same way and the scope should go back to the same place or very close.  Naa, 270? they don't kick, do they?
H08

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 06:54:31 AM »
hank08, you'd be surprised, I also shoot 45.70's but yes it does, maybe the absence of a kick pad?
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline S.S.

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2840
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 11:22:01 AM »
looks like a standard mauser sporting rifle to me?
they made them for decades.
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
"A wise man does not pee against the wind".

Offline Hank08

  • Trade Count: (35)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 887
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2009, 03:43:04 PM »


SS,  Wondering who are "they" that you think made them for decades?
Brian, Here's how your rifle looked in it's original configuration.
H08

Offline AtlLaw

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (58)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6410
  • Gender: Male
  • A good woman, nice bike and fine guns!
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2009, 01:20:02 AM »
Ah so!   :o  So the "Standard Modell" is an original factory stamp!   :o  And since it's pre-war I'll bet the workmanship on them was real good!   :)

Looks more like a GEW then a k doesn't it...  :-\
Richard
Former Captain of Horse, keeper of the peace and interpreter of statute.  Currently a Gentleman of leisure.
Nemo me impune lacessit

                      
Support your local US Military Vets Motorcycle Club

Offline Badnews Bob

  • Trade Count: (34)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2963
  • Gender: Male
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2009, 03:18:21 AM »
Looking at the pictures of that fine rifle I can see part of the crest peeking out from under the front scope mount.
Badnews Bob
AE-2 USN retired

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2009, 06:56:31 AM »
Did it come in 270 or was that added aftermarket?
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline bluebayou

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1216
  • Gender: Male
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2009, 07:42:50 AM »
Whoever made it, it looks like you got a deal.  Great looking wood, nice metal finish, safety and trigger guard.......so the bolt handle is a little off color.

Buy a slip-on Limbsaver for sighting in and target shooting.  It looks great to me.


Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2009, 01:53:24 PM »
Appreciate all the input fellars. ;)
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline MGMorden

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2093
  • Gender: Male
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2009, 04:32:56 AM »
Did it come in 270 or was that added aftermarket?

That would have been an aftermarket change.  Virtually every large ring/98 Mauser with the thumb cut in the side of the receiver would have originally been in 8mm Mauser (there are a few exceptions, but none of the original military ones would have been in .270).

As to your price, yes, I'd say that rifle is definitely worth $220.  So long as they're done up correctly (new safety, bent bolt, properly drilled/tapped for scope mounts, new stock), which yours appears to have been, then a Mauser rifle is every bit the rifle of any other run of the mill sporting action and often times more (as you'll never find plastic or aluminum on a Mauser unless it's aftermarket).  Not to mention that with many old sporters, you can rest assure that not nearly as many people have a rifle quite like yours as compared to a more modern production rifle.  That uniqueness is what really draws me to them.


Offline Hank08

  • Trade Count: (35)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 887
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2009, 07:12:31 AM »
Brian, again, it was only made in 3 calibers, 7.9mm(8x57), 7mm(7x57), and 7.65mm(7.65x53) anything else was a rebarrel.
H08

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2009, 12:43:41 AM »
Thanks guys. Appreciate it.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2009, 03:23:12 AM »
Hank, sorry if I asked the question twice but I couldn't understand why the barrel had the same markings as the reciever.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline Hank08

  • Trade Count: (35)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 887
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2009, 04:00:56 AM »
Brian, thats a question we might all wonder.  Are you sure they are alike (made with the same stamp) not just similar?
H08

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2009, 04:12:45 AM »
Dont know Hank, I'll look at it closer this evening.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2009, 03:12:21 PM »
Hank, I had a good look at the writing. The writing is very similar, letters with crowns above them although the letters are different on the two.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.

Offline Hank08

  • Trade Count: (35)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 887
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2009, 06:24:16 AM »
Brian, generally those marks are proof marks, every country had their own marks and at various times changed them.  There's books written just on proof marks.  it could be that some factory in some country rebarreled that action and was required to proof it.  The .270 has been around since 1935 and your action since 1933 or so but probably they didn't get together until much later, probably not until after WW2  Anyway, thanks for posting it, always interesting to try and research these things.
H08

Offline brianscott12

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 310
  • Alabama
Re: Mauser in 270, pics added, again.
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2009, 06:28:02 AM »
Thanks Hank, yall have given me more than enough info.
To seize the opportunity of a lifetime you must do so within the lifetime of that opportunity.