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Coleman · « **on:** March 01, 2009, 02:11:57 PM »

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nomosendero · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2009, 03:52:48 PM »

I see alot of statements & a question. What is the main thing you want an opinion on & yes, I read the title?

Savage_99 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 01, 2009, 04:32:38 PM »

The difference between the cartridges is not great in terms of performance. However some particular rifle that you want may be available in one and not the other.

For instance I wanted a lightweight rifle for myself and for my son as well. I got him a nice Kimber 84M Classic in 7-08. Its not easy to get a rifle as light as that Kimber in 7X57.

I do have an interesting old ZB Brno 21h in 7X57. More of a curio than anything.

super mario · « **Reply #3 on:** March 01, 2009, 05:00:32 PM »

acording to my nosler reloading manual the 7-08 smokes the mauser with 2 gr less powder. These are max loads in both

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #4 on:** March 01, 2009, 05:53:48 PM »

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Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #5 on:** March 01, 2009, 06:05:18 PM »

Quote from: Coleman on March 01, 2009, 02:11:57 PM

... in my honest and humble opinion,stemming from ballistic charts,talking to numerous hunters,range shooters and hours of research that the 7mm-08 is hands down the better rifle for deer hunting.

The 08 has greater velocity,greater energy and a flatter trajectory with a 139 gr. bullet(to my understanding the perfect gr. bullet for deer hunting with the 08 is 140 grs. does one gr. really make a difference I wonder?)all the way out to 500 yds. with the least amount of recoil,less recoil=better accuracy for me.

I'm looking forward to ANYONE'S opinion or input on this.

Thanks to all,
Tim

"the 7mm-08 is hands down the better rifle for deer hunting"? No, it is not.

First, a matter of correctness - the 7mm-08 is a cartridge not a rifle, although rifles can be chambered for the cartridge.

Loaded to the same pressure, the 7x57 has the advantage in velocity, trajectory and retained energy, slight though it is. Loaded to the same velocity, the 7x57 will use lower pressures, enhancing barrel life.

The advantage of the 7mm-08 in the US is the greater selection of factory ammo.

roper · « **Reply #6 on:** March 01, 2009, 08:25:50 PM »

You have lots of reloading for the 7x57 for what they call new rifles and you can cherry picks loads for some caliber to say they may be better than this other caliber. I don't shoot 120gr in the 7-08 or 7x57 I use 140gr in the 7-08 thats a factory rifle my 7x57 is custom and I load 150gr in that rifle. The down side for the 7-08 is short action vs long for the 7x57 and you cann't get away from that advantage. My 7x57 is an elk rifle has 22" barrel 2800fps plus with 150gr TSX makes a nice short yardage rifle for me.

As to the Nolser manual 7-08 smoking the 7x57 using 2gr of powder less that is very true but the 7-08 uses a 26" long Wiseman barrel vs 22" Lilja for the 7x57 and as you go up in bullet weight the 7x57 had the advantage by case capacity. Just think what a 26" barrel lenght would do for the 7x57 that the reason the 7x57AI will match 7mag velocity with bullets up to 150gr using 10grs of powder less.

BRL · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:19:52 AM »

I am just inexperienced and unbiased enough to maybe shed some thought on this topic. Out to 250 yards (maybe even 300), any deer/antelope sized game would react the same with a hit from any of the cartridges mentioned in this post (all else being equal). Rifles and cartridges are all personal (human) preference based on aesthetics, fit and finish, recoil, etc., etc.

That being said...I love that little 7mm-08!!

ThunderStick · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2009, 04:52:29 AM »

Please correct me, if I'm wrong, but I don't think the 7x57 can be chanbered in a true short action bolt gun.

As far as the Ruger #1, it would make no difference if you went with the .280, or even 7mm Mag, as action length isn't an issue.

Coleman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 02, 2009, 05:51:14 AM »

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super mario · « **Reply #10 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:11:31 PM »

I'm just not reading a difference between the two. looks like the mauser has 49 gr capacity vs 46 for the 08.
Thats splitting hairs, the difference would be can you find the rifle you want in the caliber you want. neither is better than the other, that is way to close to call.

rickt300 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:47:50 PM »

The case capaciy difference is actually different than a few grains. you only have an overall length of around 2.8 for the 7-08 but many 7x57 rifles can use a 3.2 overall length. Much more of the bullet itself is using up powder capacity in the 7-08. The is really felt when using long bullets.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:32:57 PM »

Same as comapring 260 to 6.5X55 swede.
While the 260 has less powder available it seems to be a better cartridge. but looks are deciving.
The reason 6.5, 7mm and 8mm rounds look bad is because they have been around for over a 100 years and are loaded to the weakest action. Heck 8X57 is loaded to just over 30-30 levels because it came in two different calibers (.318 and .323) and ammo makers are afraid you will find one of the 318's and drive a 232 loaded for hunting in it.
If you are planning on shooting the heavy for caliber bullets out of these two (7-08 or 7X57) the 7X57 will win.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #13 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:58:23 PM »

I started on the 7x57 in the 7mm caliber. Still like it and would get another if I find one in an action that trips my trigger, so to speak. Handloaded, the mauser will beat the 7mm-08 if loaded to the same pressure, and might handle heavier bullets better in a long throated chamber. That is where some people say the 7mm-08 is more accurate than the mauser, not as much difference in chambers with the newer cartridge. Either one will do an outstanding job for you when feed the load(s) it likes. The 280 is a little more of a good thing. Right now I have a 7-30 Waters, 3-7mm-08's and 3- 280's. Would like to have another 7x57 and also a 284 Win. The 284 was ahead of it's time, the short, fat cartridge of it's day and still a great one. Have had several 7 Mags, just didn't see enough gain over the 280's. With todays advances in bullets, you really don't have to go very heavy for great performance. DP (Sorry for the book, but I like 7mm's

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nomosendero · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2009, 04:25:50 PM »

Quote from: Coleman on March 02, 2009, 05:51:14 AM

Nomosendero,....I must apologize for my unclarity(I read back over the post and it's kinda jumbled),I was wondering if one grain in a bullet used for deer hunting really made a difference,I mean where it really counts and not on paper. I was also looking for opinions on the 7x57 vs. the 7mm-08 as a deer hunting rifle.

Thank You Sir,

Tim Coleman

Coyote Hunter,...Hey man I appeciate you pointing out my typos,I'll see if I can go back and fix those

Not a problem at all.

The 1 grain difference in bullet weight is irrevelant. Some, such as Hornady did as some foreign makers & made the bullet 139 instead of 140 grains, just the way they did it. Concerning the 2 cases, the 7X57 has a small increase in powder capacity & therefore if loaded to the same pressure the 7X57 would come out on top, but the diff. is very small, IF we are talking about both rounds being chambered in a modern, strong action.

However, action length or throat length can come into play here as well, with either chambering having a longer throat
could scew the normal difference you have since the case cap. diff is small. Also, if you chambered the 7X57 in a long action & long throat, the 7X57 could be better enhanced in a long action & gain a little more than normal.

But to me, the vel. diff. is not enough to choose the 7X57 over the 7-08. Since they are close, I would look at (1)The rifle you like best & which it is chambered for (2) availability of components in your area.

These would outweigh the small performance difference.

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2009, 05:20:27 PM »

Quote from: rickt300 on March 02, 2009, 01:47:50 PM

The case capaciy difference is actually different than a few grains. you only have an overall length of around 2.8 for the 7-08 but many 7x57 rifles can use a 3.2 overall length. Much more of the bullet itself is using up powder capacity in the 7-08. The is really felt when using long bullets.

Prezactly.

SAAMI COL's are 3.065" for the 7x57mm Mauser and 2.800" for the 7mm-08 Remington. My Ruger .257 Roberts, which is a 7x57mm necked down to .257", is a long action. The long magazine allows me to seat heavy bullets out as far as I want. Same thing with long action 7x57's except the even heavier bullets make it more important.

rickt300 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:52:31 AM »

The 7x57 does feed nicely out of a Mauser action, probably better than a 7-08 but the 7-08's niche is it's ability to be used in short actions. If both are loaded with the same style 140 grain bullet then the deer will never know the difference.

rickt300 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2009, 07:54:24 AM »

Anyone know why Coleman went around titling all his post "Delete". Did we hurt his feelings somehow? Does he not know that these posts are for all not just the original poster?

nomosendero · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2009, 03:43:14 PM »

Quote from: rickt300 on March 21, 2009, 07:54:24 AM

Anyone know why Coleman went around titling all his post "Delete". Did we hurt his feelings somehow? Does he not know that these posts are for all not just the original poster?

Yes, I do.

I came down a little hard on him about his first post. He explained his point of view in his last post. I read it & it made some sense, so I decided to apologize to him, I typed up an apology & when I entered it I discovered he had deleted ALL his posts, so then I witdrew mine, as it made no sense at that point.

As far as I'm concerned, he is welcome here.
The apology still stands, but that is all I can do.

So it is his call & no need for the rest of us to discuss it further.