Author Topic: Barack Obama--pro-abortion, anti-freedom (Read 4179 times)

Brett · « **on:** March 01, 2009, 03:17:16 PM »

March 1, 12:14 AM
by Anthony G. Martin, Columbia Conservative Examiner
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Not only is Barack Obama the most pro-abortion President in U.S. history, but he is also the most anti-freedom chief executive that has ever occupied the White House.
No greater example of this exists than Obama's announcement that he will in all likelihood rescind George W. Bush's 'conscience' provision that allowed doctors, pharmacists, and health care workers to opt out of performing abortion procedures and offering their related medical products.

In spite of some of George W. Bush's glaring faults, he was a stellar example of morality and conscience when it comes to abortion. He disallowed federal funding for abortions overseas. And he gave healthcare personnel the freedom to follow their consciences when it comes to abortion.

That day is over for America.

Barack Obama made a name for himself in the Illinois legislature not only for promoting abortion-on-demand but for supporting outright infanticide in a case where he voted AGAINST requiring that medical care be given to infants who survive botched abortion attempts.

And now he is bringing that barbaric mentality to the White House.

Abortion and infanticide are barbaric procedures. The only scenario where such a thing is not entirely repulsive is in the case of a direct threat to the mother's life.

And no, having a 'bad mental health day' because one is pregnant does NOT qualify for 'endangering the health of the mother.' Such an outrageous notion would be laughable were it not so sick.

The bottom line is that the Supreme Court made abortion legal in America, and there are plenty of doctors, nurses, and pharmacists who will help the misguided get them without resorting to forcing honorable medical personnel to perform a procedure that is totally against their moral and ethical principles.

In a few short weeks as President, Barack Obama is quickly becoming a scourge to the nation.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2009, 03:26:40 PM »

We can only hope that this disgusting pig and his posse are impeached or pray that the American people wake up and vote out some of his accomplises in the House & Senate in 2010 to weaken him. Then, vote him out 2012.

Troyboy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2009, 06:53:19 AM »

How is it a liberal will not support the death penalty for a murder but support murdering an innocent baby. How could a christian have voted for a man with such disregard for life. How could a gun owner have voted for a man with such disregard for the 2nd amn? We have duty to this country to change the course of we have lost. The time has come to become proactive. Reacting acomplishes nothing.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2009, 07:25:20 AM »

I know I am asking for it in here. But on the abortion issue I am pro choice. It should be up to the female who has to carry it for 9 months. really no man should have any input. What if a little 12 yr old girl is rapped. And she ends up pregnent. You mean to tell me that she would be a bad human to get rid of it.....BS. You guys hunt and kill animals. In that since we are all animals that god put here. I no i no animal are not human. yes we think diffrent and have opposible thumbs and can communicate better. We are also the top of the food chain. But we are mammels us, deer, rabit, coyotes, and monkeys ect... Not 1 person should have any say in the matter except the preganent.(cant spell today.) What that person does is what that person does no 1 elses buisnes. You guys are on here every day talking debating over rights. Well that my friends is a right. And for all the people who are doing stuff and fighting for those rights this is just another right. You may consider it murder. But what about that 12 yr old girl who has a whole life ahead of her. By her not getting rid of it that is murder on her life. She will be poor she wont be able to attend college. And the economy is bad enough try to find a job. I think it is sad that you guys frown upon this right but praise others. A right is a right and life is all about choices. That choice is for 1 person to decide and no 1 else.

Tn Jim · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:15:46 AM »

Quote from: rparsons934 on March 02, 2009, 07:25:20 AM

I know I am asking for it in here. But on the abortion issue I am pro choice. It should be up to the female who has to carry it for 9 months. really no man should have any input. What if a little 12 yr old girl is rapped. And she ends up pregnent. You mean to tell me that she would be a bad human to get rid of it.....BS. You guys hunt and kill animals. In that since we are all animals that god put here. I no i no animal are not human. yes we think diffrent and have opposible thumbs and can communicate better. We are also the top of the food chain. But we are mammels us, deer, rabit, coyotes, and monkeys ect... Not 1 person should have any say in the matter except the preganent.(cant spell today.) What that person does is what that person does no 1 elses buisnes. You guys are on here every day talking debating over rights. Well that my friends is a right. And for all the people who are doing stuff and fighting for those rights this is just another right. You may consider it murder. But what about that 12 yr old girl who has a whole life ahead of her. By her not getting rid of it that is murder on her life. She will be poor she wont be able to attend college. And the economy is bad enough try to find a job. I think it is sad that you guys frown upon this right but praise others. A right is a right and life is all about choices. That choice is for 1 person to decide and no 1 else.

Mr. Parsons, with all due respect sir, If I am the father of said baby...

YOU DAMNED RIGHT I HAVE A SAY IN THE MATTER!!!

rparsons934 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:17:32 AM »

If you are the father of the baby that is between you and the mother. But the final decision should be up to her. I agree if i got a woman pregnant and she want to abort it. I would fight with her and even try to convince her to keep it then give me custody after 9 months. But ultimatly the final decision is up to her.

Tn Jim · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:22:55 AM »

It took two to make the baby in the first place. If I am the father I have just as much say in the babies future as the mother. Just my opinion.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:29:50 AM »

I agree with you to a point. You are correct when you say that it takes two. And the descion should be thought out between the two absolutly. But chances are that if she is with a man who she loves it can be settled like adults. Same if its not some 1 she loves. But Making abortion illigal is against the right of the person who has to deal with carrying it for 9 months and take care of it for the rest of her life. I dont think people should just abort babies left and right. I think if you are young or poor and cant take care of a child then you should be able to choose. I no that sex should not take place unless you are ready for the after effect. But not in all time people are ready. Now how old were you when you had your child. Im guessing you were older than 14. kids that age are not responsible to put a life into thier hands when they cant even take care of themselfs. (most 14 yr olds not all as i was on my own at 14 and im sure some others were as well.) This is just my opinion and every one is entitled to thiers.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:33:58 AM »

Quote from: rparsons934 on March 02, 2009, 07:25:20 AM

I know I am asking for it in here. But on the abortion issue I am pro choice. It should be up to the female who has to carry it for 9 months. really no man should have any input. What if a little 12 yr old girl is rapped. And she ends up pregnent. You mean to tell me that she would be a bad human to get rid of it.....BS. You guys hunt and kill animals. In that since we are all animals that god put here. I no i no animal are not human. yes we think diffrent and have opposible thumbs and can communicate better. We are also the top of the food chain. But we are mammels us, deer, rabit, coyotes, and monkeys ect... Not 1 person should have any say in the matter except the preganent.(cant spell today.) What that person does is what that person does no 1 elses buisnes. You guys are on here every day talking debating over rights. Well that my friends is a right. And for all the people who are doing stuff and fighting for those rights this is just another right. You may consider it murder. But what about that 12 yr old girl who has a whole life ahead of her. By her not getting rid of it that is murder on her life. She will be poor she wont be able to attend college. And the economy is bad enough try to find a job. I think it is sad that you guys frown upon this right but praise others. A right is a right and life is all about choices. That choice is for 1 person to decide and no 1 else.

A LIFE IS NOT A CHOICE
NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE LIFE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING,
When you start choosing who lives and who dies at a whim most of us probably would not have made it!

There are way to many people out there that will adopt an unwanted child!
Grow up and come back and we will discuss this further!

Do you want some under age stupid person that did not care enough to not get pregnant in the first place deciding who lives and who dies?

rparsons934 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:37:21 AM »

Wow you tell me to grow up. Is this not a forum to discuss opinions. I think it is. I also think that is excatly what I was doing. So when you realize what a forum is for come back and we can discuss this.

What if that under aged girl was rapped. Do you want her to suffer more and carry the baby of the man that did it.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:57:28 AM »

I personally do not agree with abortion. I think it is morally wrong and it violates my religious beliefs. Having said that, I do not feel that the government has any right to tell a woman she cannot abort. This should not be a states’ rights issue as I believe it is already covered in the constitution.

This has become nothing more than a political wedge issue that the liberals have been able to well exploit to their political advantage and it shows in the polls.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:04:31 AM »

This is a comment I can respect. Not just telling other to grow up. You have put in why you think it is wrong. I also am not the most religious person in the world. So i can see how it would go against those beliefs and again I can respect that. I do understand why it should not happen. I agree that it should not happen unless its a need be situation. I would never personally do it and I would not let my fiance do it. We are decided if it ever happend we would keep it and that was a agreement. I agree that it has become a political issue(what isnt any more) and govt should have no say if it is allowed or not. so Cabin I would say +1.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:14:39 AM »

I am against abortion, but at least not after the first tri-mester. An unborn baby has a 60% chance of survival outside the womb after 5 months and it increases with time. At 6 weeks there is a heart with a beat and brainwaves. This is not anything but an unborn human, both scientifically and religiously.

powderman · « **Reply #13 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:38:41 AM »

parsons. Wow, don't know where to start. You might call your parents and thank them for being pro life, instead of pro death. There are only 2 choices, life, or death, there is no inbetween. You either let a baby live, or you kill it. Pretty simple. I guess you've never heard of adoption??? You see, thats where a woman allows another couple to raise that unwanted child and give it a good life. In case of rape I guess that you think it is ok to punish a BABY and kill it for the sins of others??? Get real friend, murdering babies is not the answer. You say you aren't very religious?? Thats apparent, because you don't understand the sanctity of life. Life or death, pretty simple to me. Think about it. POWDERMAN.

Graybeard · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:43:51 AM »

Quote from: rparsons934 on March 02, 2009, 07:25:20 AM

I know I am asking for it in here. But on the abortion issue I am pro choice. It should be up to the female who has to carry it for 9 months. really no man should have any input. What if a little 12 yr old girl is rapped. And she ends up pregnent. You mean to tell me that she would be a bad human to get rid of it.....BS. You guys hunt and kill animals. In that since we are all animals that god put here. I no i no animal are not human. yes we think diffrent and have opposible thumbs and can communicate better. We are also the top of the food chain. But we are mammels us, deer, rabit, coyotes, and monkeys ect... Not 1 person should have any say in the matter except the preganent.(cant spell today.) What that person does is what that person does no 1 elses buisnes. You guys are on here every day talking debating over rights. Well that my friends is a right. And for all the people who are doing stuff and fighting for those rights this is just another right. You may consider it murder. But what about that 12 yr old girl who has a whole life ahead of her. By her not getting rid of it that is murder on her life. She will be poor she wont be able to attend college. And the economy is bad enough try to find a job. I think it is sad that you guys frown upon this right but praise others. A right is a right and life is all about choices. That choice is for 1 person to decide and no 1 else.

Not really. You seem to over look the fact that abortion is the murder of an as yet unborn child. There is really no getting around that as a fact. It clearly is MURDER ya know RED RUM anyway ya cut it. So if you want to follow that line of reasoning that any mother who wishes for whatever reason she wishes can have her as yet unborn child murdered then it only stands to reason they should have that same right after the child is born right?

If not then why not? What difference does it make the age of that child? I mean heck iff that bratty little two year old is more trouble than they are worth let's authorize the mother to kill it also. Man for sure those dang troublesome teens need it don't they? What better time to knock them off as they are about to want a car and a college education both of which are gonna cost big bucks so man let's kill them qjuickly and be done with them afterall their not cute and cuddly anymore.

Ya really can't have it both ways ya know. Either murder is bad or it's not. If it is then let's put tight limits on it. And as has already been said so many times those in favor of killing unborn children are usually the ones most strongly against killing adults who rape, rob, murder and in general play havoc with society. Sorry but me thinks some folks aren't thinking with the brain GOD gave them.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:46:11 AM »

Quote from: rparsons934 on March 02, 2009, 10:04:31 AM

This is a comment I can respect. Not just telling other to grow up. You have put in why you think it is wrong. I also am not the most religious person in the world. So i can see how it would go against those beliefs and again I can respect that. I do understand why it should not happen. I agree that it should not happen unless its a need be situation. I would never personally do it and I would not let my fiance do it. We are decided if it ever happend we would keep it and that was a agreement. I agree that it has become a political issue(what isnt any more) and govt should have no say if it is allowed or not. so Cabin I would say +1.

I said why!! And if you missed that then I cannot help you! And the fact that you are not a religious person speaks volumes.

When you are eighteen if you have a heart you have to be a liberal. When you are thirty and you have a brain you have to be a conservative!

powderman · « **Reply #16 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:56:26 AM »

OLDSHOOTER. That pretty well explains it, he's 20, jes a pup. POWDERMAN.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 02, 2009, 11:42:25 AM »

Quote from: powderman on March 02, 2009, 10:56:26 AM

OLDSHOOTER. That pretty well explains it, he's 20, jes a pup. POWDERMAN.

I am a pup. A pup that has been on his own and feeding himself and family since he was 13. A pup who is putting him self through college making $60,000 a year. I think that says im more than a pup or at least trying to be. I think age has nothing at all to do with the matter. I may be 20 but i am in no way naive or iggnorant. I think for my self not wat has been instilled in me. Now the religious part may be. I do believe in god but not the bible. To me the bible was written by man who is the most corrupt thing on this planet. The roman calothics who lived by the bible are some of the most corrupt. They killed to instill religion in people. The same reliogn that the bible follow. Those are just my beliefs not saysing yours are wrong. Ok so make it illigal. Have woman doing it in garages or allyways dying and getting deadly ill. Lets not do it safe lets do it dirty and not sanatary. The fact of the matter is they are not going to stop. Even outlawed. Drugs never did outlawes and still around. You say make them illigal then you are taking the only safe way women have to do it. So who is that punishing not you. But them weather you know it or not. They were made legal by the Govt. because of that reason. So yes i say make them legal make them safe. I want you to picture this. Your daughter, grandaughter(even if you dont have them) getting pregant by rape. Didnt want to tell any one because they are scared and embarressed. I know you guys think you know the youth of today and think your daughter would never be out doing that. Fact is i the youth today is bad. And the people (i.e rapist) know this. Get them with drugs at 12 or 14. Which by the way is the new average age girls loose there virginity. And they get pregant after being raped. Go have an illigal abortion get sick and die or maybe even raped again. That is why i think it should be allowed. And for you guys who think it is because of my age please i know im not as old or as "wise" but i am in no matter wet behind the ears.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #18 on:** March 02, 2009, 11:48:53 AM »

Pardner there is so much wrong with the things you just said that i cannot even begin to list them so i wont

Graybeard · « **Reply #19 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:11:15 PM »

But you continue to ignore the fact it is MURDER. Making murder legal that's what you are advocating huh? Have you REALLY thought that thru? I think not for some reason you are falling for the liberal line of thinking that says abortion is just some medical procedure when what it really is is murder.

Tell me what the difference is between killing an unborn child and killing one your current age?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:12:34 PM »

My principal of leaving abortion to the mothers decision and not the government is the same principal I use in defense of the 2nd amendment.

When the 2nd amendment was written, there were no semi auto's or autos no 100 round clips, etc. Technology has advanced weapons and those weapons should be covered under the second amendment. The fact that they are not is a violation of the second amendment.

Medical technology has advanced making abortion a safe medical procedure. If a mother can't continue the pregnancy for some reason, then the government should not be in a position to say no here, just like they should not say no to me owning a semi that carries a 50 round clip or carry a hand gun for protection or own a auto.

IMHO: The decision to abort or not is between the mother, her doctor and her maker, not the government or me. I get the point and agree a baby in the mother stomach is a real person. I also believe that NO tax payer dollars should go to support or stop abortions in any way. Keep the corrupt government and it's politicians out of this issue and the 2nd amendment.

IMHO: This is a looser political issue for conservatives, constitutional constructionists and civil libertarians alike. I also believe that just because I'm willing to give this up no more makes me an accomplice to murder than it does when a gun store owner legally sells a gun to someone and that buyer kills with that gun. The gun store owner is not immoral or an accomplise because he sells guns. The idiot that killed is immoral. Well in the case of abortion, the mother and her doctor can answer to god.

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:33:19 PM »

So then just when does the "mother's right" to kill her children end? Is it OK if they are only two years old? Or ten years old? or what about if they are 60 years old? Where do you draw the line? Murder is murder ya know. Or do you?

rparsons934 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:41:25 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on March 02, 2009, 12:11:15 PM

But you continue to ignore the fact it is MURDER. Making murder legal that's what you are advocating huh? Have you REALLY thought that thru? I think not for some reason you are falling for the liberal line of thinking that says abortion is just some medical procedure when what it really is is murder.

Tell me what the difference is between killing an unborn child and killing one your current age?

GB there is no diffrence. None. I am not saying that it should be allowed all the time. Put a limit on it only for certian situations. Have investagters look into it before they allow it would only create more jobs. You believe in capitol punishment.(as do i by the way.) Thats murder even though they still deserve it. But there are some cases were there innocent. So you are condoning that murder. But not this one. Im not saying any mother for any reason should be able to go out and kill her kids. Im sayin in certian situations it should be legal. Just like in certian situations murder is legal. I lnow a girl who has had 4 just because. No good reason at all. that is wrong should not happen. They should not make it as easy to do as it now by any means. But you just cant outlaw it and say be done with it.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:45:11 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on March 02, 2009, 12:33:19 PM

So then just when does the "mother's right" to kill her children end? Is it OK if they are only two years old? Or ten years old? or what about if they are 60 years old? Where do you draw the line? Murder is murder ya know. Or do you?

The subject is abortion not infanticide. Infanticide (killed after delivery) is pure murder under the law, no question about it. Once the baby leaves the womb, it’s all about 100% pure murder.

I don’t disagree that abortion is the moral equevilant to murder. The issue here is the law and the constitution not religion or morality. When the governmnet gets too deep in legislating morality is when we politise the issues.

powderman · « **Reply #24 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:50:23 PM »

parsons. The situations you describe is all about the lack of morality and family values, which brings us back to God, religion, and a proper growing environment. If a woman wants to kill one of her kids, kill the oldest one, they cost more to feed. I never meant any disrespect by calling you a pup, just meant thats what you are to us old dogs. Sounds like you are doing well with your life and a hard worker, I commend you for that. The pro death crowd love the term fetus, saying I terminated my fetus sounds better than telling the truth that they just murdered a viable human being, their own child. I pity those would have been mothers and the butchers they pay to kill their babies for them on judgement day. UHHHHH, you mean that was a baby I killed??? Must be a spcl place in hell for those butchers. I really don't care if a woman dies trying to kill her baby, shame on her, back alleys are ok with me. The butcher shops are big business. The butchers not only get big bucks from the females, I didn't say mothers, they get even more from selling the dead babies body parts and tissue for experiments. Yep, lots of money involved. I don't mean to be cold but I don't really feel sorry for the females health or safety when they kill their own flesh and blood. Pro choice always means DEATH for an innocent child. POWDERMAN.

Graybeard · « **Reply #25 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:53:09 PM »

Wow you guys sure know how to slice it thin don't ya?

Murder and killing are NOT the same. When soldiers fight in war that's killing but is NOT murder. When a society sets up a set of rules to live by and penalties for those who do not live by those rules taking the life of a person whom society has agreed has committed a crime worthy of death is NOT murder.

Killing a child in or out of the womb is murder.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:56:44 PM »

Quote from: powderman on March 02, 2009, 12:50:23 PM

I pity those would have been mothers and the butchers they pay to kill their babies for them on judgement day.

Why not leave it at just that? if you beleive in god, they will pay on judgement day.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:59:59 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on March 02, 2009, 12:53:09 PM

Wow you guys sure know how to slice it thin don't ya?

Murder and killing are NOT the same. When soldiers fight in war that's killing but is NOT murder. When a society sets up a set of rules to live by and penalties for those who do not live by those rules taking the life of a person whom society has agreed has committed a crime worthy of death is NOT murder.

Killing a child in or out of the womb is murder.

GB ,murder is murder. It is never right to take a man or a womans life. But in certian situations rules dont apply. As for war its polotics and none of them need to die. I think for my self here. If your county deems it right then its right. Not how i feel. But since they are deeming certian murder as killing in some situations then why not certian abortion situations. i mean if killing a person who believes something diffrent than socity rules is right and war isnt murder even though a bunch of innocent people die. No Sry Just because the govt says its right dont mean squat to me. Mines well add abortion (in some cases as this is my argument) to the list of KILLING not murder.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:05:10 PM »

I don't think its thin at all. No ones advocating killing new born babies or childeren.

Mother's don't abort becasue they want to murder. Solders don't kill in battle becasue they want to murder. The State does not put to death becasue it wants to murder. They are all killing for other reasons, so it's not "murder".

If someones intent is to kill in the same way a robber kills the 7-11 clerk, then thats murder. "Intent" is a critical motive that cannot be ignored on the issue of abortion.

Brett · « **Reply #29 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:23:33 PM »

Quote from: cabin4 on March 02, 2009, 01:05:10 PM

I don't think its thin at all. No ones advocating killing new born babies or childeren.

Mother's don't abort becasue they want to murder. Solders don't kill in battle becasue they want to murder. The State does not put to death becasue it wants to murder. They are all killing for other reasons, so it's not "murder".

If someones intent is to kill in the same way a robber kills the 7-11 clerk, then thats murder. "Intent" is a critical motive that cannot be ignored on the issue of abortion.

Sorry, I don't see any difference in the "intent" between a robber killing a 7-11 clerk and a mother killing her unborn child. Both are nothing more than an unwanted inconvenience to the killer.

Their are many couples who are unable to have children of their own that I'm sure would love to adopt someones "mistake". Instead of taxpayer funded abortions why not tax payer subsidized adoption.