Author Topic: Barack Obama--pro-abortion, anti-freedom (Read 4188 times)

powderman · « **Reply #60 on:** March 03, 2009, 02:21:13 AM »

As long as there are evil people who believe in murder at will we will have to have laws against those things. No way to avoid bringing God into it. All life is sacred to him. He told Jeremiah that he knew him before he formed him in the womb. Life DOES begin at conception. Sprout a seed of corn, nourish it, watch it grow, then hail kills it. You didn't lose a sprout, you lost a stalk of corn. Think about it. Going to work. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #61 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:01:49 AM »

first i like what GB said about murder and agree age makes no difference . Killing vs. murder its just that simple for me . This is a free country with strings attached ! If a doctor takes federal funds he must accept federal guide lines and can be forced to do abortions . Now i don't care for this causae if anyone other than Govt. did it they would go to jail . Why should there be a law in the first place well the lady and her doctor that just brought 8 babies into the world is a good example of why we need to have laws . Who else would stick up for the babies as it would appear nither the DR. or mother had any family plan . Some say with reguard to abortion the mother has a right , da-- right she did to or not to have sex , she chose to do so and should have to live with the result ! Rape is different and should be treated as such , adoption is a good way .

Cabin4 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:49:58 AM »

Quote from: powderman on March 03, 2009, 02:21:13 AM

As long as there are evil people who believe in murder

As far as this thread is concerned, I have not seen anyone write that they "believe" in murder. It's comments like this that take these discussion into the garbage pit.

Invoking God and or religion as the basis and final determination for public policy can't be a selective pick & choose process. Either you invoke it all the time or none of the time. Looking for guidance from God or religion is fine but what happened to the constitution and bill of rights?? I though these determined the basis for public policy. God & religion are private matters for you to guide your life not others. What happens if we elect a muslin or a hindoo to office? Do we now use their religion to make these determinations or is God and religion only Christian?? Do you see why this can't work...

rparsons934 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:52:31 AM »

I do.

dukkillr · « **Reply #64 on:** March 03, 2009, 06:29:35 AM »

I do as well. The far right who wants to force their religious beliefs on me scare me almost as much as the far left. I respect their right to believe differently than I do, and I'm not out trying to pass laws to outlaw it. Why can't they do the same, especially if they've ever read the Bill of Rights.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #65 on:** March 03, 2009, 06:34:54 AM »

You sound like a lawyer

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What happens if we elect a muslin or a hindoo to office? Do we now use their religion to make these determinations or is God and religion only Christian

To a christian?.........................yep!

As to the other...Not if I can help it!

As far as this thread goes I have said my piece. I am not gonna convince anyone that killing babies is wrong no matter what, and you certainly are not gonna convince me its OK sometimes.

I will avoid these threads in the future, because I am already aware that people with that philosopy exist, and pray for this country when I do Pray.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #66 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:52:59 AM »

Yes, religion can be a lethal weapon when brought into the process of deciding public policy. I think our founding fathers understood this had it correct when they wrote the 1st amendment.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #67 on:** March 03, 2009, 02:40:38 PM »

Quote from: rparsons934 on March 03, 2009, 01:56:30 AM

Quote from: 45-70.gov on March 02, 2009, 05:14:20 PM
PARSONS

i was on your side

undil some one told me you wre a democrat

is this true??

if its true and you own a gun you are a hypocrit and have no cresablity
In 2 seperare quotes i said that i was raised democrate and i consider my self democrate. But i have no label i am me. I was agains clinton, im against obama i just happen to think that abortion should be legal in some situations. I also am pro gun. I firmly believe we should be allow to bear arms. So no i am not a hypocrit i practice what i preach. I dont say one thing and do some thing else. I am me not democrat not republician. Those are labels. But i agree with some democrate issues yes. I also agree with some republican issues. I think for my self not what some party tells me to believe. I also didnt vote for obama. im with cabin on this one. Because are govt(wich olmost all of u disagree with in may other posts) deems murder as killing in some situations is bull. I bet GOD wouldnt kill in war or if some 1 came in his house. He would die to let them live.(did it before). SO there is no just murder and since there is no just murder i say the govt should stay out of abortion.

we agree a lot
don't take too much of what i say personal
but i think democrats need to be stopped at every opppertunity
republicans are almost as bad
thank you for opposing klinton and obumer with us

can you name 5 pro-gun democrats
now 5 pro-gun rebpublicans
now long did it take you to think of each group
bet it took longer for 5 pro-gun democrats

Brett · « **Reply #68 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:19:24 PM »

I think that's a trick question. I don't think there is 5 pro-gun democrats.

powderman · « **Reply #69 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:50:47 PM »

It's pretty sad the age some of you are and STILL haven't learned right from wrong. There will come a day when we ALL meet God and he will judge us. Saying OOOOOPPPPSSSS aint gonna help. God gave us all free will to choose, good, or evil, Heaven, or hell. Choose wisely friends. POWDERMAN.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:58:03 PM »

Quote from: powderman on March 03, 2009, 03:50:47 PM

It's pretty sad the age some of you are and STILL haven't learned right from wrong. There will come a day when we ALL meet God and he will judge us. Saying OOOOOPPPPSSSS aint gonna help. God gave us all free will to choose, good, or evil, Heaven, or hell. Choose wisely friends. POWDERMAN.

I almost want to agree with this. Certainly the last sentance I do agree with and this is suppose to be our individual right under the constitution. So I wonder, why all of a sudden the change of heart for Powderman..........

powderman · « **Reply #71 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:08:57 PM »

CABIN 4. Change of heart how?? I don't understand your meaning. POWDERMAN.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:52:44 PM »

Quote from: powderman on March 03, 2009, 04:08:57 PM

CABIN 4. Change of heart how?? I don't understand your meaning. POWDERMAN.

Powderman,

Here's your quote:

"There will come a day when we ALL meet God and he will judge us. Saying OOOOOPPPPSSSS aint gonna help. God gave us all free will to choose, good, or evil, Heaven, or hell."

This is what I have been saying all along. These are individual decisions that we as individuals get to make, guaranteed by the constitution. God will determine who is culpable.

powderman · « **Reply #73 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:10:08 PM »

CABIN 4. I understand your point. If a woman wants to murder her baby and go to hell it's her choice, I agree with that. But, we still need laws to protect the life of the child, stopping premeditated murder should be everybody's business. A woman I know killed her baby over 30 years ago. She cries daily for the child she killed. Would it have been boy or girl, how many grandchildren would she have had, dr, lawyer, teacher, pastor,etc

She'll never know. God forgave her, but she can't forgive herself. POWDERMAN.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:49:01 PM »

I think it's fair to say that there has been a good fight put forward by reasonable people to end abortion, including at our Supreme Court. Society, now largely and overwhelmingly accepts abortion as a safe medical practice covered by the Constitutional principles of self determination.

It's simply time for the pro-life efforts to fold the tents on this and look to a different worthy challenge. Everyone who contributed to the fight against abortion have lost nothing. They have reaffirmed their believes that innocent life is worth fighting for and a reaffirmation of their faith in God & the bible. When the final day on earth comes for those that entered the fray to fight for pure innocence, they should feel comfortable that God will remember their efforts.

Our Constitution is not perfect for everyone but it is perfect for us all. We just need to stick to that principal even if it violates our own sense of morality/ethics. It’s when we stray from this we get in trouble. Just look at us.

IMHO.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #75 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:41:01 PM »

"It's simply time for the pro-life efforts to fold the tents on this and look to a different worthy challenge. Everyone who contributed to the fight against abortion have lost nothing. They have reaffirmed their believes that innocent life is worth fighting for and a reaffirmation of their faith in God & the bible. When the final day on earth comes for those that entered the fray to fight for pure innocence, they should feel comfortable that God will remember their efforts."

How can you really say that with a straight face?

I have agreed with you cabin a few times, but on this topic you are on your own! Gun owners, and pro-life advocates have the same thing in common- they will FIGHT TO THEIR LAST BREATH TO PRESERVE THEIR RIGHTS AND THE RIGHTS OF THEIR CHILDREN! (one of which is the right to life). I agree there Is a gray area involving rape or when a mothers health is in jeopardy, but that number is miniscule againt the number of women WHO BELIEVE ABORTION IS A FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL.

It is not the governments job to legislate morality, control banks, tell automakers what cars to build, whether we can smoke in our cars, wear seatbelts, wear helmets, shoot copper bullets,so on and so forth..... WHAT HAPPENED TO RESPONSIBLE PARENTING? I can't wait to see what happens when little girl osama gets knocked up by a nappie haired gangbanger whose life mission is to"spread the seed". Betcha he gets aborted too.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #76 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:56:09 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on March 04, 2009, 05:41:01 PM

How can you really say that with a straight face?

I have agreed with you cabin a few times, but on this topic you are on your own! Gun owners, and pro-life advocates have the same thing in common- they will FIGHT TO THEIR LAST BREATH TO PRESERVE THEIR RIGHTS AND THE RIGHTS OF THEIR CHILDREN! (one of which is the right to life). I agree there Is a gray area involving rape or when a mothers health is in jeopardy, but that number is miniscule againt the number of women WHO BELIEVE ABORTION IS A FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL.

It is not the governments job to legislate morality, control banks, tell automakers what cars to build, whether we can smoke in our cars, wear seatbelts, wear helmets, shoot copper bullets,so on and so forth..... WHAT HAPPENED TO RESPONSIBLE PARENTING? I can't wait to see what happens when little girl osama gets knocked up by a nappie haired gangbanger whose life mission is to"spread the seed". Betcha he gets aborted too.

Because I'm on the side of the constitution so if you truly believe it is not the government’s role to legislate morality, then you should agree that abortion should not be illegal. To me, this seems like a significant contradiction on your part. Maybe you could explain.

There is NO connection between the fight for the 2nd amendment and the anti-abortion movement. One is specifically cited and the other is implied in principal so I don't even understand your point on this. BTW: Many anti abortion folks are also anti-gun so don't think you have some "bond" with many of these people. Just look at the Catholic Church.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #77 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:59:58 PM »

How is it then, If the robber in the 7-11, or the drunk driver that kills a pregnant women, gets charged with TWO counts of murder?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #78 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:08:26 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on March 04, 2009, 05:59:58 PM

How is it then, If the robber in the 7-11, or the drunk driver that kills a pregnant women, gets charged with TWO counts of murder?

Because it’s not his pregnancy to unilaterally and arbitrarily terminate.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #79 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:13:59 PM »

so that makes it ok-if its uniok?

mirage1988 · « **Reply #80 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:15:32 PM »

How many of these pregnant girls even know WHO the father is?

mirage1988 · « **Reply #81 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:19:54 PM »

I don't think you are even a gun owner, if you were, then you would know what would happen if you point your gun at something you didn't want to shoot!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #82 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:32:25 PM »

Mirage,

You need to collect your thoughts and put a bit more logic into your posts. Your contradicting yourself on some points and on others you don't make any sense at all.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:35:17 PM »

Please tell me what you don't understand?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #84 on:** March 04, 2009, 06:51:07 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on March 04, 2009, 06:35:17 PM

Please tell me what you don't understand?

Your previous 3 posts have nothing to do with the topic.

1.so that makes it ok-if its uniok?
Cabin4: I don't know what uniok is. No matter, seems like it can only be irrelevant anyway.
2.How many of these pregnant girls even know WHO the father is?
Cabin4: What difference does it make if a murdered girl knows who the father is of her child? How do I answer this and why does it matter anyway???
3.I don't think you are even a gun owner, if you were, then you would know what would happen if you point your gun at something you didn't want to shoot!
Cabin4: My gun ownership status seems extremely irrelevant to the topic of abortion. I get the tail end of your commentary, but again, it also seem irrelevant.

Maybe you could answer the contradictions in your posts as opposed to writing the above.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #85 on:** March 04, 2009, 07:10:19 PM »

Actually they tie together!
1-uniok meant that they were ok by the father to UNILATERALLY AND ARBITRARILY TERMINATE!
2-see # 1
3-Like I Said- watch your muzzle- don't shoot at anything you don't want to kill. There would be a WHOLE lot less unwanted babies in this country if that was taught!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #86 on:** March 04, 2009, 08:13:03 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on March 04, 2009, 07:10:19 PM

Actually they tie together!
1-uniok meant that they were ok by the father to UNILATERALLY AND ARBITRARILY TERMINATE!
2-see # 1
3-Like I Said- watch your muzzle- don't shoot at anything you don't want to kill. There would be a WHOLE lot less unwanted babies in this country if that was taught!

Good enough Mirage. Just remember, I believe the constitution is where this country is suppose to look for guidance when it comes to final determination on public policy. Some here want it both ways. The constitution when it serves their own personal view and the bible when it does not. Other use false statistics, nationality, race, gender or other invalid or unwarranted information to destroy or freedoms.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your view point, in our country, the constitution trumps the bible and the other invalid items when it comes to policy. In general, It’s because we have moved away from these principals is why we are in the mess we have.

Back to point: The constitution is clear on religion and its role in determining public policy. The two can meet at an equal point on a particular issue by coincidence of what society has deemed acceptable, but if not, well, religion is for individuals and the constitution is for public policy. I take it the way it was written and designed, all of it. If I don’t, then how can I defend the 2nd Amendment against its fierce, growing and constant attackers?

It’s not perfect, never will be and we are likely to break-down as a nation some point in the not to distant future. When that day comes, I want my guns to ensure survival and or fight off the onslaught of attacks that will be ordered by the criminals allegedly running the country.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #87 on:** March 05, 2009, 01:15:57 AM »

they are called the religous right because , well they are right . If one takes the time to look the law of most free countries were from British common law which has its roots in the Bible. That said killing a human from comception until natural death is murder .
Is murder OK , Yep , as long as it is thru. a trial and conducted under law .
By the way the others are left cause its better to call um whats left and not wrong .

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #88 on:** March 05, 2009, 02:13:38 AM »

Instead of the government paying for abortions, they could provide birth control pills, shields, iud's, and condoms. Second at the very least the Supreme Court and Congress should allow the states to regulate abortions, if they are against, for, limited, or otherwise. At the very very least outlaw abortion in the last two trimesters. Make the girls decide within 3 months, otherwise no abortion. As I said I am against it under all circumstances except if it endangers the mother's life. A human life is a life, at the moment of conception. Scientifically and Religiously.

powderman · « **Reply #89 on:** March 05, 2009, 02:31:11 AM »

Cabin 4. What constitution says a woman has the right to murder any baby she doesn't want?

? Where is that??? POWDERMAN.