What's going on in Juarez, Mexico?

[Cabin4]

The US gangs are cooperating with the Mexican gangs cross border. Begs the question, what are the origins of these US gangs that they would work a cooperative with Mexican gangs? I think we know the answer.

[bearbeater]

 Hey
I am going to throw my .02 into the ring. the issue here is
1) State security the border states need to be secure this is the local sheriff job he has ultimate jurisdiction.
2) the local sheriff can deputise the local citizens
3) The Govenor can call out the local or state unorganized militia and sopport the local sheriff.
4) The next issue is national sururity, the president must HELP secure the borders for the rest of the non border states
5) they are here by force and will be removed by force
6) trade with mexico and manufacturing will not work because of the mexican goverment is corupt period. also the education of the people and the lack of proper living conditions thay  have.
7) secure the borders and stop trade with foriegn corrupt goverments of third world mentality, NAFTA is a failure!!!!!!!!!!

Bearbeater

[williamlayton]

Cabin
Most of these are controlled by the South Side. They are a dukes mixture of mules.
They are pretty ingenious. Recently the used a white truck decked out with TDOT decals but were caught. I suspect some undercover work here, but, how many get thru?
Blessings

[SHOOTALL]

when we go back to looking and treating illegal drug users as criminals instead of victoms we might stop some of the traffic . But as long as there is a market someone will supply it .

[rockbilly]

Have you ever thought about the number of illegals in the US and to whom they hold an allegiance?  It has been proved that a large percentage of those here illegally, holding a job, and seemingly only desirous of a better way of life, are actually members of the drug cartel just in a sleeper mode.

According to a recent survey by one of the major news networks, today almost 50% of American citizens are Hispanic. They are estimating that by the year 2020 the Hispanic will be in majority. With the large number how long can we expect to continue as a Republic?  When will they have the voting power to combine with Mexico?

I can not understand the mentality of the Hispanic immigrants, they say they came here for a better life, but tend to bring and condone the same things here that ran them out of their native countries.  As I see it, the only way to ensure America remains as a country is to persuade them that they need to learn English and blend in to our society.  If you want the Mexican lifestyle then stay south of the border. And the sad thing, we have not had a President in many years that done anything to eliminate the problem.

[Oldshooter]

Hispanic population in the United States: 1970 to 2050      
Source of Data and Year   Hispanic Population (in millions)   Percent Hispanic of the total population
Census       
1970   9.6   4.7
1980   14.6   6.4
1990   22.4   9.0
2000   35.3   12.5
Projections      
2010*   47.8   15.5
2020*   59.7   17.8
2030*   73.0   20.1
2040*   87.7   22.3
2050*   102.6   24.4
Footnote:      
*Projected population as of July 1      
SOURCE: U.S. Census Bureau, 1970, 1980, 1990, and 2000 Decennial Censuses; Population Projections, July 1, 2010 to July 1, 2050.      
Internet Release Date: February 08, 2008       

[Dee]

Still say we need to annex Mexico.  Turn half the Border Patrol into US Marshals and let them clean house.  Then one small border with Belize and Guatemala would be easier to patrol.  It would also give snow birds a new place to go, since Arizonia and Florida are getting crowded.

Crack, meth, cocaine, and marijuana is what is being brought across the border.   

ANNEX MEXICO? Good Lord Soudough, I'm still wonderin why the hell we took El Paso, and California away from them. I damn sure don't want Mexico.

[ironglow]

  Right on Dee  we have enough of their illegals now...why would we want 110,000,000 more of the same ?

  (Jeepers, since the "stimulus bill"...a number like 110,000,000 doesn't look very big any more, does it ?)

  We have been punishing the seller, obviously the buyer needs more deterrance.
   
   As far as the seller goes, he ought to be facing a death penalty for selling even a small amount. The only way to avoid the death penalty would be to turn in and help convict his supplier. The death penalty may seem harsh, but these drug peddlers are condemning others to death with their drug habits.

 Our media could help a great deal by showing the users foir what they are; traitors, drug heads, stupid, pawns of the drug cartels and clearly "uncool"..
      They surely have demonized cigarette smokers..why not crime causing addicts ?

[Dee]

Having "PERSONALLY" participated in the so called "drug war" for 20 years (retired) I came to several conclusions during my tenure, and I will say that, on a county and city level I was DEEPLY involved.
I found that when the Feds was giving us grants, that it was a way to attach PORK for their own needs on the bills passed to give us grants. Over a twenty year period, I watched police dept.s and sheriff's offices receive equip that would never be used, and never was used. HOWEVER, with each grant, a little of the dept. sovereignty went away in the REQUIRED adoption of certain policies ect.
I also noticed when the SEIZURE of personal property became legal that the local PROSECUTORS became IMMEDIATELY MORE INTERESTED, as everyone (including the Feds) got a cut of the property seized, when it was sold at auction. Hmmm
Oklahoma for example on my retirement 14 years ago was VERY LIBERAL in what constituted a drug bust involving an auto. A marijuana cigarette butt, could cause the seizure of an automobile. WOW! Yes, but true.
I personally NOW know of a very small rural police dept. getting 5 AR15s, and I believe 7 M14s. in the way of a Government grant. This dept has 6 officers! What was the cost to get this grant. ENFORCE THE SEAT BELT LAW! You see, here in Texas, the STATE is supposed to get about $75.00 of every ticket written from every agency in the state.
When I was running a Tactical K-9 unit, the Feds thru my former Chief gave us 2 Chev. Blazers that were former military vehs.
It goes on and on gentlemen. Look at today's police officer just in appearance. High and tight haircuts, many wear fatigue type pants that only tactical used to wear, and many of these young men WILL ENFORCE GUN LAWS and many ALREADY ARE.

[ironglow]

  If the Obumanation puts all it's wishes into practice, I see some serious clashes..

  It appears that Waco's Branch Davidians was a "trailer" for the coming "big show"...

[Dee]

I had friends with badges at Waco. They didn't like it any better that the rest of us whom watched it on TV. The BATF got it's butt kicked so they called in the military.
Even the Sheriff offered to go get Koresh and bring him to the Sheriff's office to talk. The BATF wanted a show, and a show they got. The dead agents are heroes to the media, and assassins to the locals in Waco.

[Cabin4]

Janet Reno personally gave the orders for the final assault at Waco. That pig should be in jail.

[SHOOTALL]

I have had the pleasure of living in a drug war zone and can tell you as a fact Dee is correct . long before we had a right to carry law if you were working in certian areas of Richmond we were told to carry a handgun and no one would say a thing , the cops knew what we were facing and often it was an hour before they arrived at a shooting . When it became profitable responce time dropped as did sting operatios etc.
How bad was it here ? all a cop had to do was tell a dealer thanks for the tip in public and the dealer was dead !
Richmond is some what of hub as we have access to water , rr and roads . a good meeting place for dealers .

[mirage1988]

'o's answer!
Hire a namby-pamby from seattle as the new drug "czar".
 o says "we have a very big border with mexico, i am not interested in militarizing the border with mexico"
The new czar is going to fight the drug war with "education and treatment", because he has "experienced the effects that drugs can have on our youth, our families, and our communities". (his nephew was arrested on drug charges), if he was one of those that were beheaded, he might be talkin a little tougher,no?

[ironglow]

  Dee is obviously right, it is very wrong to paint law enforcement in general with the "Waco tag". I believed even then, that BATF was eager for blood, since they had got their butts kicked by a nutty preacher and some mad grannies.
  Somehow, few noticed..when you see that famous video of a BATF team climbing onto the roof to enter a protruding room, what they don't always show you is that part of the team went into the room...then shot back, through the wall at their own buddies..
  Between Waco and Ruby Ridge, they look like "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight"...except when it comes to shooting women holding babies

  Which leads me to another question..Suppose one of our GIs were accused of shooting an Iraqi woman while she was only holding her baby.. or drove their tanks over an underground shelter where they knew women & childern to be hiding. What do you suppose the Washington Post, New York Times , CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC would say about that ? Still, we heard no outrage from them after Ruby Ridge or Waco...

[Cabin4]

I think the answer may be simple why the American media brought poor reporting on the Waco & Ruby Ridge incidents. The press could care less if the people that are being killed are non minority Americans that own guns. These people are seen as expendable by liberals and the mass media at large.

[rockbilly]

I personally see nothing wrong with the outcome in Waco.  I played a small role in providing the supplies to the LEO that took part there.

It is funny that most law abiding citizens criticize the FBI and US Marshals for their actions there.  I don’t like Janet Reno, but I don’t blame her either.  Waco like Ruby Ridge has only one individual to blame,  had Koresh or Weaver walked out and faced the music like a man rather than hide behind the skirts of women and children they would all likely be alive today.  Both had a chance to walk out before the shooting started.

Dee, you say you spent 20+ years in LE, Would you not agree that you, as an officer, would not expect a vehicle operator who is exceeding the speed limit to pull over and accept the ticket like a man?  Or would you expect each driver you stopped to hole up in the car and threaten you with harm? 

I am convince all Koresh or Weaver had to do is surrender and subject themselves to the courts and both incidents would have been prevented. 

[mirage1988]

Both Weaver and Koresh were standing up for what they believed in, whether it was right or wrong.We will never really know what went on thanks to the "fair and balanced media". There are many here that talk a good game but how many will put it out there when the time comes?

I personally see nothing wrong with the outcome in Waco.  I played a small role in providing the supplies to the LEO that took part there.

It is funny that most law abiding citizens criticize the FBI and US Marshals for their actions there.  I don’t like Janet Reno, but I don’t blame her either.  Waco like Ruby Ridge has only one individual to blame,  had Koresh or Weaver walked out and faced the music like a man rather than hide behind the skirts of women and children they would all likely be alive today.  Both had a chance to walk out before the shooting started.

Dee, you say you spent 20+ years in LE, Would you not agree that you, as an officer, would not expect a vehicle operator who is exceeding the speed limit to pull over and accept the ticket like a man?  Or would you expect each driver you stopped to hole up in the car and threaten you with harm? 

I am convince all Koresh or Weaver had to do is surrender and subject themselves to the courts and both incidents would have been prevented. 

[Cabin4]

I personally see nothing wrong with the outcome in Waco.  I played a small role in providing the supplies to the LEO that took part there.

It is funny that most law abiding citizens criticize the FBI and US Marshals for their actions there.  I don’t like Janet Reno, but I don’t blame her either.  Waco like Ruby Ridge has only one individual to blame,  had Koresh or Weaver walked out and faced the music like a man rather than hide behind the skirts of women and children they would all likely be alive today.  Both had a chance to walk out before the shooting started.

Dee, you say you spent 20+ years in LE, Would you not agree that you, as an officer, would not expect a vehicle operator who is exceeding the speed limit to pull over and accept the ticket like a man?  Or would you expect each driver you stopped to hole up in the car and threaten you with harm? 

I am convince all Koresh or Weaver had to do is surrender and subject themselves to the courts and both incidents would have been prevented. 

You need to get caught up on the events at Ruby Ridge.

[mirage1988]

Anyone else wonder why o doesn't want to use the military to secure the mexican border? Seems to me that 17000 troops would do more for our national security there than chasing a ghost in afganistan!

[Oldshooter]

I personally see nothing wrong with the outcome in Waco.  I played a small role in providing the supplies to the LEO that took part there.

It is funny that most law abiding citizens criticize the FBI and US Marshals for their actions there.  I don’t like Janet Reno, but I don’t blame her either.  Waco like Ruby Ridge has only one individual to blame,  had Koresh or Weaver walked out and faced the music like a man rather than hide behind the skirts of women and children they would all likely be alive today.  Both had a chance to walk out before the shooting started.

Dee, you say you spent 20+ years in LE, Would you not agree that you, as an officer, would not expect a vehicle operator who is exceeding the speed limit to pull over and accept the ticket like a man?  Or would you expect each driver you stopped to hole up in the car and threaten you with harm? 

I am convince all Koresh or Weaver had to do is surrender and subject themselves to the courts and both incidents would have been prevented. 

I dont give a rats ass about koresh or weaver, they were grown ups and the  adult people at waco made their bed. the innocent women and children that were murdered is the problem I have! No need to drive tanks into buildings where small underage children are being kept, possibly against their will and if not they are not of age to make that kind of decision. Those kids were murdered! PERIOD!

You or no one else can tell me that was neccesary! If they were murdered by koresh or his people then they would have and did pay the consequences! But the feds forced that issue! Ask your buds about that!

[Cabin4]

Instead of Obama sending our troops to protect our border against Mexican drug cartels and inflow of illegal’s and drugs, we send them to Alabama to protect the people there from a gunman that is dead

We also send federal forces to the mountains of Idaho to protect a us from a guy and his family after a federal marshal murders his 14 year old son!

Makes sense

[kitchawan kid]

I believe one person in the meida made a pretty good statment"Why don't we just put a fence around them (waco) and call it a prison"

[hunt-m-up]

I wouldn't put Weaver and Koresh together in the same category.

[Cabin4]

Why don't we just put a fence around Washington DC, and that will be a prison.

[SHOOTALL]

both were minipulated . Weaver it might be said was entraped .

[Cabin4]

We should take the law enforcement that went to Ruby Ridge and Waco, put a fence around them, that will be prison #2.

[kitchawan kid]

I think the one around Washington,DC. would be in the best interest.But we would have to disarm them first and Ted Kennedy's bodyguards have full auto's.

[SHOOTALL]

why ? so they can shoot the tops off beer bottles fast enough ?

[kitchawan kid]

You think T.K. drink's beer?