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Offline SM Outdoors

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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2009, 03:45:56 AM »
paying mercanary's would be cheaper than the 10 million or so the pirate's get
And with the all the new ideals surrounding Iraq I think Blackwater USA will be looking for a new contract soon. Might be able to strike up a deal....
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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2009, 06:30:09 AM »
... Real easy when your a thousand miles away in a safe environment, to say, don't fight. Give in. One of these times the pirates won't be so nice,beheading,rape,thrown overboard. I guess when that happens, and only then, will somebody take action. Too bad somebody innocent will probably die before measure's are taken.gypsyman

Bingo!   When they start hurting the crews, the crews will stop giving in.  Like I said before,  the pirates aren't hurting the crews and the insurance companies are paying up.  Until those conditions change,  there is no reason why anybody on board will put up a fight.

  As pointed out earlier, the conventional pre 9-11 wisdom on hijackings was to cooperate and you would be OK.  9-11 changed that (and many other things) forever.  Now, if you are on an airplane and someone tries to hijack it, the passengers and crew know that they are fighting for their lives right then.  Cause, effect.

  For now, the priates are operating like a business.  When they do start killing the crews there will be change.  not until then.

  It's just as easy to sit a thousand miles away and say they should fight as it to sit a thousand miles away and say they shouldn't.  They are there and we are not.  If fighting looked like a good idea, they would fight.  Since they aren't fighting it seem reasonable that going along to be ransomed is working for them.

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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2009, 08:56:31 AM »
If it were my ship and knew where the pirates operate (what 30-50miles of shore)
i believe i would try sending my ship maybe father out to sea, since everyone
has explained that I can't fight. Maybe i would just call MYRONMAN and say
GET ER DUN. ;D ::)
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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2009, 04:59:37 AM »
and what countries frigate happened to catch and arrest the last bunch of pirates?? Come on guys, you are always blabbering about THAT particular country,  >:(  should be a slam dunk for you.
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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2009, 06:05:53 AM »
One or two well trained snipers, incognito, with semi auto 50 BMG sniper rifles, in storage till needed.

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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2009, 06:14:38 AM »
cheese maybe a few more , seems these ships are targeted because few if anyone is on deck . At night it is easy to board them . I would have thought it would be hard to board a moving ship with a wake and all .
Then also someone with a rocket or such might have an advantage with the oil and gas tankers . enough to have 24 hr. guard
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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2009, 06:29:37 AM »
International law makes it illegal to arm seagoing merchant vessels, and individual nations where these ships dock also have a patchwork of arms laws that make it nigh impossible to arm your ship legally.

I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

It would seem to me that just a handful of trained people with a couple of surplus crew served weapons could easily fend off third world peasants with Kalashnikovs, RPG's, and speed boats.

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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2009, 06:31:26 AM »
Got to ask do you believe all ships are legal ?
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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2009, 08:35:09 AM »
I honestly can't say, I've never even seen the ocean, so my experience with seagoing merchant vessels is nil.

I know that if I owned a fleet of large merchant ships that had to cruise through dangerous waters, I believe I would also own and operate an armed cutter or two, armed with 57mm cannons and .50 caliber machine guns.  Maybe even outfit a Q-ship or two.

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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2009, 02:44:24 AM »
ships are like trucks there are many rules but not everyone followes them . There are alot of trucks on the road with guns on board .
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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2009, 05:07:42 AM »
Send over a contract unit (i.e. Blackwater Worldwide, etc) and have them start up a grassroots rebellion in somalia. The only problem that we might see is not only do the extremist leaders throughout Somalia/Mogadishu bring in all the profit for the country through piracy, which FYI is a 13-16 Billion dollar a year industry, they also therefore control the food supply that comes into the country. The citizens of Somalia see the extremists as heroes and that they owe all to them. The people have been misled. Coerced into the mentality that the people who are really causing the economic and political problems that the country is seeing, are to the citizen, the heroes and therefore would defend them under any circumstance. Currently cruise ships traveling through HOA (Horn of Africa) are armed with the LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) system which uses sound waves to drive off beligerents. It utilizes the concept of sound traveling similar to light (in all directions) and focuses them into one sigular beam of direction. This is why you can stand three feet to the right or left of it and hardly hear the sound being emitted but once you step into the focus beam you are immediately neutralized as you have to drop anything you have and put your hands to your ears. The LRAD system is capable of rupturing ear drums at a distance of 100-200 meters with max effective range at 300 meters. Also currently employed in Camp Bucca, Iraq for use in croud control as well as prisoner control. Although this may sound great in effectiveness, recent action using the LRAD system throughout HOA have forced the LRAD system to be re-evaluated as to it's combat effectiveness. You have to think that when this device was designed it was for land use and when out on the water you have alot of new variables and mainly all of them focusing on the refraction and reflection off the water that the sound wave would go through. Ofcourse don't get me wrong, there is nothing better in my mind than a 50-100 man detail working the decks of a cruise ship armed to the teeth with M240G, M249 SAW, HK G36, (4 or 5) Twin M2HB's, and I suppose a Phalanx CIWS wouldn't hurt either. I'm sure the Coast Guard or US Navy would be happy to oblige. Military personel would be best for this detail being that they are not allowed to recieve gifts of money, etc in return for action and nobody will pay them for not returning fire. The most they could get is a combat action medal which in the US Coast Guard and Navy is worth it's weight in gold. So their options all in all would be a)not fight, be captured, spend an unknown amount of time in an enemy prison camp which for them would be what we in the US armed forces call an uncontrolled imprisonment where the environment is unpredictable and changes invariably with the personell controlling the detaining operation. or b) return fire, neutralize the enemy, save hundreds of lives, win combat action metals, and be able to return home safely to their families. You tell me which one sounds to be the better of the two.
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Re: Arm the ships!
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2009, 01:59:17 PM »
International treaties will not allow an armed force aboard these ships. The defense of these ships is supposed to be by military forces. It leaves the operator of the ships and their crews open to murder charges and various other charges . If the bad guys claim they were fired upon for no reason then the good guys could be charged with piracy themselves.

Sounds stupid but that is why most ships do not have defenses. Some country could counter charge (SOMALIA claim that the pirates from their country were simple fishermen murdered for nothing and sue the ship owners) and turn the tables.